Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
NYC Cursed By Aviation Disasters?  
User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Hey all,

After just reading about the collision between a helicopter and light aircraft over the Hudson I got to thinking, are there any other cities in the world that have seen so many aviation disasters?

Sept 11 World Trade Centre attacks
AA587 crashed in Queens
US1549 crashed in to the Hudson
Today's crash 'Helicopter & light aircraft'

Stu

15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19724 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

NYC has more air traffic than almost any other city. On top of that, there are tons of cruel spikes sticking several hundred feet into the air.

Yeah, it's going to happen from time to time.


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Well since there are so many airplanes and airports in the area is makes sense for there to be a larger amount of aircraft incidents.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineSfuk From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2491 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
NYC has more air traffic than almost any other city. On top of that, there are tons of cruel spikes sticking several hundred feet into the air.



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
Well since there are so many airplanes and airports in the area is makes sense for there to be a larger amount of aircraft incidents.

But, of the 4 incidents I mentioned only one of them was due to 'potentially' crowded sky's.

Stu


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2476 times:



Quoting Sfuk (Reply 3):

But, of the 4 incidents I mentioned only one of them was due to 'potentially' crowded sky's.

The more planes the more chances there are for a problem to occur New York has some of the most crowded airspace in the world that means a lot of planes.
More planes=more chance for accidents to occur.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2387 times:



Quoting Sfuk (Thread starter):
NYC Cursed By Aviation Disasters?



Quoting Sfuk (Thread starter):
US1549 crashed in to the Hudson

At the same token, the question should be asked "NYC blessed by Aviation Miracle?"



.......
User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2369 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 5):
At the same token, the question should be asked "NYC blessed by Aviation Miracle?"

Many seem to forget that the New York metropolitan area has *six* airports receiving commercial flights -- not just the three major ones (I assume that Stewart, Islip, and White Plains count as commercial airports).

Given that fact, it's a miracle that everything works as well as it does.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

True...then throw in....

* Teterboro Airport (TEB)
* Essex County Airport (CDW)
* Central Jersey Regional Airport (JVI)
* Greenwood Lake Airport (4N1)
* Hackettstown Airport (N05)
* Lincoln Park Airport (N07)
* Linden Airport (LDJ)
* Little Ferry Seaplane Base (2N7)
* Long Island MacArthur Airport (ISP)
* Morristown Municipal Airport (MMU)
* Newton Airport (New Jersey) (3N5)
* Old Bridge Airport (3N6)
* Princeton Airport (39N)
* Republic Airport (FRG)
* Solberg-Hunterdon Airport (N51)
* Somerset Airport (SMQ)
* Trenton-Mercer Airport (TTN)
* Trenton-Robbinsville Airport (N87)
* Tweed New Haven Regional Airport (HVN)
* Twin Pine Airport (N75)

and you are DAMN straight it's a miracle that there are not more accidents than there already are.


User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Well not really, NYC has 3 major airports plus heliports. We have JFK, LGA and EWR. Not to mention the helicopter tours and news helicopters. NYC airspace is very congested so their is a higher chance of an aviation disaster. If yoy go to Downtown Manhattan you'll see an airplane or a helicopter every second. Talking about curse, I think the French are. First Air France 447 A330-200 which is a french/european -made plane and 447 carried alot of French people, then Yemenia 626 Airbus A310, also French/European made plane also carried alot of people who has a French-blood.


It's a cultural thing.
User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
* Long Island MacArthur Airport (ISP)

Already mentioned, thank you.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
* Trenton-Mercer Airport (TTN)
* Trenton-Robbinsville Airport (N87)

Question -- aren't these under PHL's ATC?


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2160 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 8):
Yemenia 626 Airbus A310, also French/European made plane also carried alot of people who has a French-blood.

I get your drift, but most of the passengers on the Yemenia flight were immigration card workers returning home from France to the island nation of Comores in the Indian Ocean.

But you'd be correct to say "The ocean that swallowed them up didn't care about nationality."


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I don't have any stats or anything but New York, and in particular JFK does seem to be involved/related with some of the most high profile disasters in memory.

Avianca 707
TWA 800
SR 111
MS 990
AA 587
9/11
AF Concorde's destination was JFK
Plus various others

Compare that to London and LHR, which is notably associated with Pan Am 103 and BEA Trident crash. This isn't in any way a criticism of NYC or JFK, just a spooky observation.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineIgneousRocks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

It's erie in a way, but understandable based on the amount of aviation traffic generated by the region.

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 11):
Plus various others

Additionally, some other notable incidents involving a NYC bound/departing commercial a/c
Eastern 727 landing (to JFK)
Sabena #548 707 (from JFK) at Brussels, Belgium
ONA DC10 (from JFK)
TWA L10 (from JFK)
United DC-8 #826/TWA Constellation #266 midair over NYC
USAirways crash (from LGA)
Trans International DC-8 (from JFK)
Eastern Airlines #663 DC-7 (from JFK)
Eastern Airlines #512 DC-7 (to Idlewild)
American Airlines #1 707 (from Idlewild)
American Airlines #320 Electra (LGA)
Northeast DC-6 at near Rikers Island prison (LGA)
KLM #607 Constellation bound for NY at Shannon, Ireland (1958)
National Airlines #2511 DC-6 enroute to MIA lost over North Carolina
National Airlines #101 DC-6 (from EWR)

http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=N|NY


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Simple answer-NO! Today's accident involved a non-commercial private airplane and a commercial helicopter. Both were under VFR. The weather was clear and warm. They were both in one of the busiest flight paths in the world. The GA pilot may not have been sufficiently familiar with the special risks and extra attention one must give in flying the 'river route'. The helicopter pilot many have made a mistake. The NYC metro airspace is further complicated by not only so many flight movements and airports in the area, but a number of restricted areas due to post-9/11 security requirements, safety needs and noise abatement as well as weather problems. Let us not forget with higher volume comes higher risks, but still in comparision to other regions in the USA and indeed the world, I don't think the NYC metro area is 'cursed' any more than lets say the Los Angeles region.

User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Swissair 111

EgyptAir 990

Eastern 66

TWA 800

AA 587

KAL 007


And of course, the Pan Am 747 that crashed at Tenerife...


All were flights that originated at JFK!



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1966 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 9):
Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 7):
* Trenton-Mercer Airport (TTN)
* Trenton-Robbinsville Airport (N87)

Question -- aren't these under PHL's ATC?

TTN is under Philadelphia approach and Departure
N87 uses Mcguire AFB



Frontier Early Returns Ascent Status| Webmaster of an unoffical TTN page see profile for details
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Movies About Real Aviation Disasters posted Tue Jun 17 2003 04:14:03 by Capt.Fantastic
Cause Of Aviation Disasters posted Fri Aug 27 1999 04:08:50 by Night Hawk
Aviation Colleges In NYC? posted Fri Sep 5 2008 19:10:40 by N104UA
Varig To Start BSB - NYC 2X Week BY NOV 2008 posted Wed Mar 5 2008 17:45:47 by Metal
Aviation Related Stuff To Do In NYC posted Thu Oct 26 2006 06:49:42 by Alaska737
Indian Aviation Mkt. Grows By 33% posted Tue Mar 28 2006 03:02:02 by LAXDESI
U2 Plans Blocked By France's Civil Aviation posted Thu Mar 16 2006 15:36:14 by HBDAN
Aviation Consulting And Law Firms In NYC posted Mon Feb 20 2006 03:34:30 by Nycfuturepilot
Security Aviation Is Raided By FBI, USMS, Batf posted Fri Feb 3 2006 03:44:33 by L-188
2005 Aviation Review By The BBC posted Tue Jan 3 2006 19:44:21 by AirWales