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Will AA Ever Fly To CLE?  
User currently offlineTrijetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8358 times:
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I remeber the good ol days when AA flew 727's into CLE to DFW and ORD. I was wondering if AA will ever bring the mainline metal back to CLE. Your thoughts?


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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8302 times:

Why? Doesn't American Eagle fly to CLE? That is what you get these days. No reason for a 737-800 to do a run that an RJ can do.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23226 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8234 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 1):
That is what you get these days.

It's a bit more complicated than that, actually. Both in CLE and in PIT, AA removed mainline partially so that it could staff the stations with Eagle staff, saving money due to the relatively senior staff. That doesn't necessarily indicate that Eagle service was what the market needed, and now that mainline can return to both, mainline could well return.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

As others have commented before around here, MIA-CLE is under-served generally only a daily RJ on CO and nothing on AA.

User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8032 times:

I too miss the 727 service from AA. Until a few years ago they used MD80s into CLE, those days are long gone.
AA in the 70s had quite an operation in Cleveland including a maintenance hangar which until recent you could see the old AA script displayed on the hangar.


User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7930 times:



Quoting TrijetFan1 (Thread starter):
I remeber the good ol days when AA flew 727's into CLE to DFW and ORD

I remember when they had 767s on the CLE-ORD route.

Don't remember any DC-10s though. United had them, but I don't know if AA did regularly into CLE.


User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7842 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):

I believe that AA mainline (MD80's) will be in the PIT-DFW market again soon with some eagle CR7's mixed in, but still staffed with Eagle employees.


User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7769 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 3):
As others have commented before around here, MIA-CLE is under-served generally only a daily RJ on CO and nothing on AA.

Isn't there also a once daily flight on a Eagle ER4 to Miami?

It's a shame to see all these Rjs in CLE. Even two years ago Atlanta was almost mainline only, now its RJ only...


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7705 times:



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 7):
Isn't there also a once daily flight on a Eagle ER4 to Miami?

No. MIA has been gone for awhile. CO's RJ doesn't even fly every day during certain periods. Hard to believe the market is that small, but most must use FLL where there are 1 to 4 737's depending on day/season.

AA is actually cutting flights to CLE. The ORD>CLE late afternoon flight is now gone. Have to wait until 8PM.


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7653 times:



Quoting AEroc (Reply 6):

Yeah, it's also like Portland (PDX). PDX is served by 5 daily flights to/from DFW. And is staffed by American Eagle.



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7511 times:



Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 7):
It's a shame to see all these Rjs in CLE. Even two years ago Atlanta was almost mainline only, now its RJ only...

Ahhh, the realities of air travel these days. It sucks, to put is simply.

Quoting AEroc (Reply 6):
I believe that AA mainline (MD80's) will be in the PIT-DFW market again soon with some eagle CR7's mixed in, but still staffed with Eagle employees.

I can't see this ever happening. AA is getting rid of their Mad-dogs as more 738's come online. more likely you may see more RJ's to compensate if the route warrants it.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
It's a bit more complicated than that, actually. Both in CLE and in PIT, AA removed mainline partially so that it could staff the stations with Eagle staff, saving money due to the relatively senior staff. That doesn't necessarily indicate that Eagle service was what the market needed, and now that mainline can return to both, mainline could well return.



Quoting AEroc (Reply 6):
I believe that AA mainline (MD80's) will be in the PIT-DFW market again soon with some eagle CR7's mixed in, but still staffed with Eagle employees.

AA mainline returned to PIT back in June, with 3x daily MD-80s from DFW.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 10):
I can't see this ever happening. AA is getting rid of their Mad-dogs as more 738's come online. more likely you may see more RJ's to compensate if the route warrants it.

It already has happened, they're being staffed by Eagle employees.

[Edited 2009-08-10 07:08:18]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7390 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 8):
Hard to believe the market is that small, but most must use FLL where there are 1 to 4 737's depending on day/season.

The market is not that small. It's 600+ daily. It's just odd that AA does not fly it when AA flies to cities like Greensboro, Knoxville, Louisville, and Norfolk, which are half the size.

Hopefully we see it resume soon.



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User currently offlineB752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7314 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
The market is not that small. It's 600+ daily. It's just odd that AA does not fly it when AA flies to cities like Greensboro, Knoxville, Louisville, and Norfolk, which are half the size.

Hopefully we see it resume soon.

You are of course referring to the combined FLL/MIA-CLE market. In any event, the poster is correct as most people use FLL instead of MIA. MIA-CLE is less than 100 daily pax.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Quoting B752os (Reply 13):

You are of course referring to the combined FLL/MIA-CLE market. In any event, the poster is correct as most people use FLL instead of MIA. MIA-CLE is less than 100 daily pax.


Why do you always get so bothered by the fact that MIA and FLL are one market?

Of course I am referring to the combined market, because that is the market that is relevant.

When the FLL-CLE has over 85% of the non-stop capacity, what else do you expect? When MIA-CLE had more non-stop capacity, it was 250+ daily.

[Edited 2009-08-10 07:46:46]


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7190 times:



Quoting AEroc (Reply 6):
I believe that AA mainline (MD80's) will be in the PIT-DFW market again soon with some eagle CR7's mixed in



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
AA mainline returned to PIT back in June, with 3x daily MD-80s from DFW.

USPIT10L beat me to it, but I thought they only operated with MD80s twice daily instead of 3 times a day. Eh, I could be wrong...



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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7189 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
AA mainline returned to PIT back in June, with 3x daily MD-80s from DFW.

Good for PIT....any mainline service added has to be looked at as a great thing for them.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 8):
AA is actually cutting flights to CLE. The ORD>CLE late afternoon flight is now gone. Have to wait until 8PM.

That has to be a bit annoying for the business pax that would want an earlier return.


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7133 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 15):
USPIT10L beat me to it, but I thought they only operated with MD80s twice daily instead of 3 times a day. Eh, I could be wrong...

Yep, there are two MD-80's plus two CRJ700's to DFW now.

Now it would be nice to see the MIA flight upgraded.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6915 times:



Quoting N670UW (Reply 17):
Now it would be nice to see the MIA flight upgraded.

It would, but right now I'll take the 2 MD80s.

Is it just me or does it seem that CLE is now taking a beating in regards to their air service...?



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User currently offlineJFKPurser From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 486 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

I remember flying a trip sequence that included a ORD-CLE turnaround on the DC10-10 in the late 1980s. The loads were quite light all month, if I recall, and I believe it was some time in late summer

[Edited 2009-08-10 08:48:55]

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6829 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Hopefully we see it resume soon.

When you mentioned there are possibly more routes down the pipeline from MIA with the jets, this is one of them I thought of. I find it odd that DTW can fill a 738 to MIA but CLE or PIT couldn't. I would think an ERJ is too small but maybe the 738 is too big? But none the less, having CLE-MIA on an ERJ is better then not having it at all, right?


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Here is a photo of AA 707 in CLE


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Believe it or not, Air Canada serviced CLE with a nonstop 747 flight to London Heathrow in the early 1980s.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6634 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 20):
I find it odd that DTW can fill a 738 to MIA but CLE or PIT couldn't. I would think an ERJ is too small but maybe the 738 is too big?

Based on market size, CLE/PIT-MIA can fill a 738. It is not too large a plane. Not every market will receive "ideal" service. AA has only so many 738s to go around.



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User currently offlineNcflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 492 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Gosh it sure does seem like CLE has gotten hurt harder than most airports. USAirways: no mainline anymore. Legacy DL only operates a single mainline to SLC during the summer season. Legacy NW, I'm pretty sure they have no more mainline-- they used to have a lot of seats to DTW but not so much anymore. UA no more mainline to DEN-- only has a few mainline flights to ORD. WN operates fewer flights than it 10 years ago. AA no mainline.

I really wonder if CAK has siphoned off some of the traffic. Stagnant regional population with a rapidly growing low cost airport-- something has to give.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6556 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 20):
I find it odd that DTW can fill a 738 to MIA but CLE or PIT couldn't. I would think an ERJ is too small but maybe the 738 is too big? But none the less, having CLE-MIA on an ERJ is better then not having it at all, right?

DTW is a much larger hub for DL/NW compared to CLE to CO. Also, CLE shares O&D with CAK which FL offers service to FLL not to mention WN with connection service from CLE to FLL. UA, DL, US offer connections to MIA/FLL.

The market is probably "right sized". No sense in AA sending a mainline to dilute the market.


25 LAXdude1023 : Surprisingly enough Ft. Myers is by far the largest single airport market in Southern Florida with 511. MIA-CLE only has 85 daily passengers. Ft. Lau
26 FUN2FLY : Not sure on this one...thought it served the local market AND connections. How hard would it be to fill up 40/50 seats then? Must be hard - since it'
27 MAH4546 : No, it really is not hard. If AA had an infinite supply of ERJs, they would have a more extensive RJ network out of Miami and more frequencies on rou
28 DFWEagle : MIA-CHS, for example, is less than half the distance of MIA-CLE. Basically, Eagle could fly two flights from Miami to Southeast cities with the same
29 Ncflyer : AA's really surrendered CLE business to S. America and the Caribbean to CO, AA, DL. I guess they know what they are doing with their limited assets, b
30 MAH4546 : The market for Cleveland-South America is ridiculously small, and the major connections to GRU and EZE are covered via Dallas. MIA-CLE was timed to f
31 AvConsultant : If the demand was there AA would be all over it. again, is there that much demand? Didn't US Caribbean a few years back not pan out. Plus, look looki
32 LAXdude1023 : AA is a no-nonsense airline when it comes to their flights. If AA cuts a route, it means its not making money plain and simple. Very few times does A
33 MAH4546 : CO flies the route year-round, albeit at significant frequency fluctuation, even week-to-week. For the nth time, that is simply not true. AA, like ev
34 LAXdude1023 : I guess it is. But its operateing only weekly with an ERJ for the fall.
35 Ncflyer : But you can't compare CO on MIA-CLE, as they don't offer the same level of connections to MIA passengers out of CLE that AA offers to CLE customers ou
36 MAH4546 : September 7th through September 27th.[Edited 2009-08-10 13:18:47]
37 PITrules : Are you sure that was nonstop and not via YYZ? I didn't think CLE was a Bermuda II gateway to LHR; and if it was, how would Air Canada gain the traff
38 OP3000 : The other thing in terms of Caribbean/South America at CLE is that the hub carrier (CO) has a strong network in those regions via IAH/EWR, therefore
39 Post contains links MasseyBrown : Exactly. If you compare this year's A300/MD-80 retirements to 738 additions and factor in traffic declines, it's obvious AA is not going to be adding
40 Ncflyer : I just looked up some of the cities AA serves from MIA, really remarkable how small they are compared to CLE-- I've always assumed the guys at AA are
41 September11 : Summer service. Maybe only for one summer. Not sure.
42 TAN FLYR : Yeah..I remember when AA flew 707's on some routings such as BDL-CLE-LAX and ROC-CLE-SFO..and or various combos..I think at one time there was a BUF-
43 HPAEAA : was 2x daily when MQ first took the route, then down to 1, now sadley none.... used to be one of MQ's best routes.
44 Gsoflyer : Cleveland: 2 million Nashville: 1.5 million Greensboro: 1.5 million Louisville: 1.2 million Norfolk: 1.6 million Richmond: 1.1 million Raleigh: 1.5 m
45 CLE757 : I always wondered why CO didnt add a second daily ERJ MIA flight on the 1900 bank, it could return the next morning.
46 Greenair727 : Cleveland is more accurately around 2.9---3.0 million. You seem to be excluding Summit County/Akron--which is clearly part of the Cleveland economy.
47 PITrules : Which also has its own airport with service to south FL
48 Greenair727 : . My point was that the size of the CLE air market--to MIA or NY or wherever--is 3m--not 2m. And a lot of those people (including some in Summit Coun
49 PITrules : But isn't the reverse also true- that people in Cleveland also use CAK? So any discussion regarding the CLE or NE OH market should include the servic
50 Ncflyer : Right on, Greenair! It would be like saying LGA doesn't serve Long Island because most of Long Island is more convenient to JFK. . . . the fact is LG
51 Lexy : Understand that BNA is still a big AA market and commands a good yield on their MIA-BNA flights with 738's twice daily. BNA has a number of connectio
52 Gsoflyer : Then for that, you could add Greensboro, Greenville and Columbia to Charlotte; Charlotte and Raleigh to Greensboro; and Greensboro, Wilson, Rocky Mou
53 Greenair727 : If people live in Greensboro or Columbia and work daily in Charlotte or live in Norfolk and commute daily to Richmond, then sure--it should be consid
54 Cubsrule : It's not just Cleveland, and the recent divisions haven't really been sensible. Raleigh and Durham are now divided, for instance, even though they ar
55 Post contains links MasseyBrown : Oops. Make that www.opshots.net for the DC-10 pix.
56 Gsoflyer : That is, because according to the census bureau, not enough percentage of the population is commuting from Akron to Cleveland anymore, so Akron gets
57 Cubsrule : Is commuting really the criterion? I have a hard time believing that that's why Raleigh and Durham got split...
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