Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16396 times:
Makes sense, narrowbodies in Germany, widebodies in France. The current set-up is an inheritence of the "old" Airbus, when they only had the a300, a310 and a320. It's much more cost effective to divide it this way, too bad the French unions stood in the way of moving the a320 line completely to Germany. This was the plan in the original Power8 cost saving plan, but alas.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21391 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16313 times:
Quoting Kappel (Reply 1): It's much more cost effective to divide it this way, too bad the French unions stood in the way of moving the a320 line completely to Germany. This was the plan in the original Power8 cost saving plan, but alas.
But why won't they stand in the way of this, too?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
MBJ2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16287 times:
I think the more interesting thing in this news is that they now publicly speak about the successor A30X. This means they don't wait until Boeing makes the first move??
We want more infos! let the rumour mills begin, will it be a full composite etc...
Like most of life's problems, this one can be solved with bending -- Bender Unit 22
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7375 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16256 times:
As MBJ2000 said, the most important in this "information" is about the long waited A320's successor.
Who cares where it will be assembled (not "built") even if I really doubt the assembly line will be moved totally to Hamburg ...
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11134 times:
I'm postings from a E71 so linking is complicated. On the Tech/Ops forum I posted a Counter Rotating Open Rotor thread that shows a direction of thinking since open Rotors became more silent and blade containment concerns moved design away from two engines next to each other on top of the aft fuselage. Maybe someone can link the NLR artist impression..
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4558 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10947 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Thread starter): Several German newspapers report today, that a Airbus spokesman confirms, that a planed successor of the A320 family (called here: A30X) will alone be built in Hamburg.
This comes as no surprise, but still it is nice that it is confirmed. But the EIS will probably be around 2020 or so, so we still have a long way to go.
Racko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10491 times:
All I wanted to say is that France puts more emphasis on national pride and national symbols while Germans are still uneasy about that stuff. So assembling the "Golf of the Skies" here and widebodies, which imho carry more prestige, in France makes sense.
In terms of workload it has so far always been pretty much 50/50, even though the public impression has been more France-focused (see Stich's posting).
: Are you saying that prestige and French psyche are totally separate concepts . I hope to see something really innovate on the outside as well as the
: sounds much more reasonable concept.
: Silly arrogant comments make me happy. I know where does this stupid stereotype originate from: Der Spiegel. Which has a hard time explaining that Ge
: I would be happier if these decisions were made on a purely economic basis, not on a "we're not contributing x billion unless we get this assembly lin
: Very sensible comment. It is a good decision, but taken for the wrong reason. Politicians still continue to use Airbus as a political toy.
: Look, I never meant it in any way derogatory towards France (rather the opposite - I wish German politics had the balls to go for something the way Fr
: Seems more like another attempt from Airbus to try to look as they got a brand new concept for a future narrow body... I doubt they really do... Anot
: Should it be called A3X0? Will this production location change make a better image of Airbus products in the eyes of ignorant people who don't like A
: Interesting that we hear first of Airbus planning a repleacment A/C in this category, when they have a more recent entry (the 320) than Boeing (the 73
: A320 first flew in 1987. 737NG first flew in 1997. How is the A320 the "more recent entry"? The 737NG is as different from prior 737's as it's possib
: Acutally, the money is not a present to Airbus, but rather full repayable credit incl. interest. Germany is indeed giving an incentive to build the w
: It is my understanding that RLA is granted to Airbus at the "central bank rate" which is the rate that the federal government loans money to the bank
: That is most likely the reason why Airbus would apply for RLI by the respective governments. The downside is that on profitable programs like the A31
: Nothing wrong with that. If Texas wanted to make a similar arrangement with Boeing, it would be legal. For the local government benefits with a large
: It'll be called the A888-800 (you can't get enough of those lucky 8s!) The A320 has been a massive success, and it's hard to envisage a situation wher
: Cute photo, but I believe that the A320RS will have wing-mounted twin engines, a single aisle with 3+3 seating, a conventional tail, and winglets. It
: I expect it is not an issue of needing RLA, but one of being offered a line of credit at rates and conditions more favorable then they can secure on
: But if you look at the massive proliferation of routes, most people except those travelling routes like JFK-LAX have seen huge reductions in door-to-
: Actually, some civilians have moved mighty fast transiting to and from Low Earth Orbit as guests of Mir and the ISS.
: Why would they wait to see what Boeing is going to do? Boeing has destroyed its credibility and doesn't present much of a threat. They had talked abo
: Aren't the X billion dollars part of the economic basis? Seriously, it's just another form of corporate welfare. Corporations wouldn't be doing their
: While the weight-savings will likely be minimal (Boeing themselves have long admitted as much due to the lower OEWs of a 737-class airplane), other b
: 1. I must have missed massive 787 order cancellations. 2. It was said repeatedly 787 technology alone won't bring enough efficiency boost for short-t
: Well because the 737 is a 1960's platform. Also without a very expensive landing gear modification which I'm not sure is possible or worth it, the en
: Like the $Bn's of government aid for the 787 launch? More seriously, your comment would be ok if the projects existed in isolation, but they don't. T
: While the 737-100 and 737-200 were indeed launched in the 1960's, the 737NG launched in the 1990's incorporates three decades worth of advancements i
: . I think the A320 / 737 replacement is still a cat and mouse play between the airlines, Airbus, Boeing and Embraer / Bombardier. The Airbus and Boein