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VX To FLL?  
User currently offlineA330300 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8225 times:

Just came across these banner ads online, and took some screenshots - interestingly enough, clicking on them takes you to the main VX site, with no reference to FLL.

I wonder if these were posted a bit early by the ad servers, or leading up to an announcement soon?

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8232 times:

Interesting. All of the rumors I've heard pointed to MIA, so I wonder what made them go to FLL instead.


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8236 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Interesting. All of the rumors I've heard pointed to MIA, so I wonder what made them go to FLL instead.

Cheaper operating costs if they decide to run a couple flights a day. For an airline like VX, FLL works just fine, as it does for B6, NK etc.. IMHO



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Nice if its true, but I really wanted to see VX at MIA.

FLL does not do much for me, and keeps me flying AA sadly.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

This just popped up on the SF Chronicle's website, about 3/4 of the way down the link:

Burlingame's Virgin America, judged by Travel & Leisure magazine as the world's best domestic airline, today rolls out twice-daily nonstop flights from SFO and LAX to Fort Lauderdale, Fla. This in the face of well-known airline and tourism woes.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...i?f=/c/a/2009/08/10/BU6U196ICF.DTL



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User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8233 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):

Cheaper operating costs if they decide to run a couple flights a day. For an airline like VX, FLL works just fine, as it does for B6, NK etc.. IMHO

Is it really that much cheaper? Aren't the target markets of the two airports slightly different? MIA has the more valuable customers, no? Wouldn't VX want to try poaching from AA's hub?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15830 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8235 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
Cheaper operating costs if they decide to run a couple flights a day.

That's as good a reason as any, and I would guess that FLL will be VX's smallest station, even when it is fully up. But this would be a bit of a change for them. Unlike many LCCs (using the term loosely) VX has made little or no effort to serve any secondary airports. They like to cherry pick the best routes, and it would seem to me that MIA is better than FLL in that respect.

And another thing just occurred to me. Why would they not also add a flight or two to JFK and/or IAD from FLL? Is that market just too saturated or low yielding for them?



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

VX seems to like ATC-delay prone airports.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8235 times:
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Finally Virgin finds the other sunny coast of America. MIA never made any sense for VA, who are they connecting to ? FLL is better for O & D traffic.

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

If this is true how come FLL is not popping up on the Route Map?

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineGayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

SFO - FLL... sounds like the Pink Route to me.  Smile

User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8234 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
And another thing just occurred to me. Why would they not also add a flight or two to JFK and/or IAD from FLL? Is that market just too saturated or low yielding for them?

Bingo. For all we know they may go for that next, but....

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
Cheaper operating costs if they decide to run a couple flights a day.

Had they been thinking of more routes/frequencies soon they might have gone with MIA.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8236 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
Finally Virgin finds the other sunny coast of America. MIA never made any sense for VA, who are they connecting to ? FLL is better for O & D traffic.

A WHOLE bunch of gay men with plenty of disposable income who would love a non-stop flight to SFO with mood lighting.  Big grin

Except I'm not kidding. MIA would be a *great* market for VX for that reason alone.


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8232 times:



Quoting GayStudPilot (Reply 10):
SFO - FLL... sounds like the Pink Route to me. Smile

Well it's about time these two cities get connected nonstop!. Gurl, someone will be heading to Folsom on this baby  hyper 

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
MIA never made any sense for VA, who are they connecting to ?

Why would they need to connect somewhere to make MIA work. Plenty of airlines fly to MIA and don't connect anyone. MIA has the corporate clientele.

Man, AA keeps dodging competition. Unbelieveable.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8230 times:



Quoting Coal (Reply 9):
If this is true how come FLL is not popping up on the Route Map?

The announcement will be Tuesday.

The link I posted from the San Francisco newspaper will probably be published in the morning.



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8233 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
A WHOLE bunch of gay men with plenty of disposable income who would love a non-stop flight to SFO with mood lighting. Big grin

Except I'm not kidding. MIA would be a *great* market for VX for that reason alone.

You really aren't. Those MIA-SFO flights on AA are always an interesting site!


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

Except I'm not kidding. MIA would be a *great* market for VX for that reason alone.

OK, so my partner tells me that apparently all the gays moved to FLL.


User currently offlineGayStudPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 457 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
OK, so my partner tells me that apparently all the gays moved to FLL.

Hence my post...

Quoting GayStudPilot (Reply 10):
SFO - FLL... sounds like the Pink Route to me.

Do I know your partner??

 Smile


User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):

The announcement will be Tuesday.

The link I posted from the San Francisco newspaper will probably be published in the morning.

Oh no wonder! It's been Tuesday for about 13.5hrs where I am!

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

A huge blow to Miami, which has been working closely with VX to bring them to MIA.

At the same time, it makes sense. Success for VX at MIA, especially in the premium and large MIA-LAX market, requires frequency. FLL does not. I really see this as a way to establish themselves in South Florida and eventually make inroads at MIA when aircraft are available. They really would need at least two daily MIA-SFO and three daily MIA-LAX to successfully counter AA.

In short, it seems VX rather create a presence now in South Florida via FLL, rather than wait out to create a presence later when they have the equipment to make a carefully planned entry into the tougher MIA market.

I do not think this eliminates VX entering MIA in the next 2 years. They are at LAX and SNA; they have publicly talked about entering EWR; and there is nothing stopping them from MIA and FLL.

[Edited 2009-08-10 23:07:33]


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User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8230 times:
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Congrats to FLL for this new service. With the exception of ATL, this will round out the east coast well. I especially applaud VX for deciding, in this instance, that expanding proactively is a much better route to take than fighting for space at slot-controlled and/or gate-constrained airports. While I would have preferred VX rounding out the west coast with PDX, SFO-FLL and LAX-FLL will be a good pair of routes for them. I predict ORD and PDX will be next in line to receive the VX experience (hopefully within the next 12 months).

Prosper!

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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8232 times:



Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
Success for VX at MIA, especially in the premium and large MIA-LAX market, requires frequency. FLL does not. I really see this as a way to establish themselves in South Florida and eventually make inroads at MIA when aircraft are available. They really would need at least two daily MIASFO and three daily MIALAX to successfully counter AA.

Very true. This might be a smart move on VX's part. Since they are short on aircrafts, this does make sense. To compete with AA's multiple LAX flights and 3 SFO fligths, frequency is a must.

Here is the interesting question: Will they run daylight flights (where they would have the LAX market to themselves) since NK and DL are running red eyes? Of course, SFO-FLL will be to themselves.


User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

There are lots of people who want to fly to FLL rather than MIA - depending on where your end destination is, and from FLA you can fly down to Key West too. All good for the pink dollar and other travellers.

Over in Britain, many's peoples' preferred routing to MIA area is via New York and then FLL, MIA as an airport is one that features on the 'only do it if you have to' list.

Sounds a good route for VX, hopefully MIA will follow when they've established a market for themselves.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8231 times:



Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 21):
where they would have the LAX market to themselves) since NK and DL are running red eyes?

Also add in JetBlue from LGB which competes dollar for dollar with those guys from LAX, which coincidentally also is a red-eye to FLL.

I still say MIA would have been better. FLL is always going to have endless low-yield LCC competition. (I mean you even SWA offers cheap 1-stop LA-FLL fares), while at MIA atleast you would have an opportunity see bumped up fares and also attract a few premium clients even with the lower frequency.
Also to me MIA and FLL are two different markets. I would never fly into FLL, when I have business in MIA.

Anyhow hope it works for them.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33273 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8235 times:



Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 22):
Over in Britain, many's peoples' preferred routing to MIA area is via New York and then FLL, MIA as an airport is one that features on the 'only do it if you have to' list.

Miami-London is 6x the size of Fort Lauderdale-London, so clearly the "only if you have to" list is quite small.



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25 Aviators99 : I'm very excited about it. Most of my transcon travel is FLL-SEA, and I've been connecting somewhere anyway (usually IAH). I'll be even happier to co
26 ScottB : MIA is neither slot- nor gate-constrained. Arguably FLL has bigger issues with gate availability and airfield congestion. The big problem with MIA is
27 Coal : 51 minutes past midnight in the West Coast and still nothing on their website. Not to be a pain, but I want to book SFO - FLL return tickets for Decem
28 Hiflyer : First off KFLL has far cheaper usage fees....and yes...far more congestion especially during peak hours for the one usable runway on the north side. H
29 MSYtristar : Nice to see VX broaden their reach a bit. I'm sure they'll do fine in FLL. I also heard from a good source that they will probably start service to MS
30 Ridgid727 : I have heard the same thing. With additional Airbus Aircraft soon available, maybe it will be soner than later.
31 STT757 : I agree, they would not make inroads on NYC-FLL. NYC-MIA however would work well for VX, it would attract similar crowds to their trans cons. Plus NY
32 BigMac : VX now has this route on their website. It's official!!!! I've been waiting years for this announcement haha...
33 Enilria : I question the routes and the frequency. Those are awfully long-haul for low-yield. I'm sure they have hopes of getting the "beautiful people", but th
34 BMI727 : That is the target market of all of their other routes, and it seems that they could find more of those people in Miami. I don't necessarily think th
35 MAH4546 : They need a lot of luck finding people to pay $849 each way for a ticket in their First Class cabin to Fort Lauderdale. That's a joke. There is a lot
36 Anetter123 : As a South Florida native, I certainly welcome VX to our region and will definitely give them a try on my next LAX trip. Sucks they chose FLL but atle
37 MAH4546 : The schedule is 2(!) daily flights each way. There goes my theory about not going to MIA...this could have worked from MIA. Too bad. VX 334 LAX 1045-1
38 Enilria : It hasn't worked so well in their other routes and it will work even more poorly in a seasonal, heavily leisure market like FLL-SFO/LAX. The only goo
39 MaverickM11 : That's been their strategy so far...odd that they didn't continue it. They are? I thought they had more planes than they could place with Direct Air.
40 Post contains links BigGSFO : Also, VX is interested in F9's Airbus fleet, if WNs bid is successful and they decide to sell the planes. http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/20
41 Anetter123 : It will be interesting to see how and if NK will respond to VX entering the market. To my knowledge NK only offers 1 flight to LAX and VX will not onl
42 John : I can understand why VX chose FLL based on the amount of O&D and lower facilty charges, but I believe PBI would have been a better, much less congeste
43 MAH4546 : At least FLL will steal some traffic from MIA, just not the premium traffic that VX wants. PBI can't accomplish any of that. On the bright side, for
44 Atomsareenough : They are delay-prone because that's where the demand is; people want to fly to SFO, JFK, LAX, etc... Hmm. I'd imagine it's a bit down the list, thoug
45 Hatbutton : Everyone keeps saying PDX but for some reason I just don't see it? PDX has lost a lot of pax of late and it isn't exactly a premium market. Why do yo
46 ThirteenRight : I still think a B6/VX partnership is iminent.
47 Aviators99 : Well, I spoke too soon. Looks like this is O&D-only. It will not make a connection FLL-SEA (but it will SEA-FLL).
48 BigGSFO : Portland fits their demographic and has been on their list of potential cities since day #1.[Edited 2009-08-11 09:02:39]
49 MSYtristar : I heard next year. Regardless of the order it's added, it's a good fit for the VX system and product. Chances are we'll see VX open several new stati
50 SANFan : On a JetBlue thread, it was mentioned that they are anticipating major growth at FLL soon... This announcement certainly might speed things up! Do I
51 Post contains links Relaxitsfedex7 : Check out the article below http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/st...09/08/10/daily14.html?ana=from_rss In the article virgin america's CEO David Cush ,
52 SANFan : If there's one thing I've learned about VX expansion, be patient! Their past growth rate has been comparable to oh, let's say a California Redwood! W
53 BigGSFO : Atlanta, Dallas...that will be the day the little red airline that could woke up big momma and big daddy for certain. If we thought Alaska's response
54 FlyMIA : This is a major failure for officials at MIA IMO. Will be interesting to see how VX does with NK, B6 and DL in the LA market.
55 Relaxitsfedex7 : I agree with you. I remember when Delta responded to JetBlue when they entered the Atlanta to Long Beach route. Delta stepped up their frequency.
56 MaverickM11 : I think DL is going to get out of that hot mess ASAP just like they got out of BOSBWI when WN, FL, and B6 all decided to be in the market--there's no
57 DeltaL1011man : May see the 744 running ATL-LAX-NRT tick tock tick tock......anyone here that? Thats the count down for Delta to pull of LAX-FLL.....one more dot off
58 SurfandSnow : So this is the first ever link between FLL and SFO? I guess NK never flew this route (only serving SFO from DTW?)? Either way, nice to see VX finally
59 MaverickM11 : I believe so; B6 flew OAK for almost two years--and maybe again soon
60 Atomsareenough : Yeah, I honestly wonder why it fell through. How much higher are MIA's costs than FLL? Indeed. Entering DFW and ATL would be waking the sleeping gian
61 SANFan : The new FLL service requires 3 a/c. Do you know exactly how many planes Direct Air was using? (IOW, will all 3 required a/c come from that source or
62 MAH4546 : A good bit higher, around $8-$10 not including that MIA would have waived landing fees. However, MIA actually has a good base of passengers that pay
63 Atomsareenough : I'm not certain about any of this, but I think they had 2 aircraft with Direct Air. I have no idea about the delivery schedule for new aircraft, thou
64 ThirteenRight : JetBlue just announced SFO-FLL. Separate thread started. That didnt take long at all!
65 BigGSFO : There were two planes assigned to Direct Air. One was returned already and the other comes back to Virgin next year. I also understand there are some
66 Post contains links Shadez : This is the CEO's explanation of why FLL was chosen over MIA: "We liked the demographics of Fort Lauderdale," Cush says in a phone interview with Toda
67 SurfandSnow : Based on your article, it sounds like ORD will be the next city so long as gates can be obtained. With DL abandoning the L concourse, this could cert
68 MAH4546 : AA supposedly has acquired those gates. They had first opportunity.
69 SANFan : Looks like he's been reading A.net! No surprise except that FLL just does not seem to fit the "Virgin" destination profile. Maybe that profile is gra
70 FWAERJ : DrAAt! I wanted to fly VX out of ORD. Either way, I was wondering if the "AA has the right of first refusal on the DL gates" posts I was reading on a
71 Phllax : Boy I hope not. We got a really good A fare for over the holidays. I actually think they won't cut it. You have to look how quickly the flight was pu
72 SurfandSnow : Yes, but LAX-MKE disappeared awfully quickly after Midwest resumed that route and AirTran bumped up service. Unfortunately, I do believe that DL's LA
73 MAH4546 : I don't know this for a fact, I'm just repeating what I've been told. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
74 LAXintl : Sounds like FLL might be this falls battle ground -- similar how BOS was the tussle early this year. I'd say $499 maybe, but not $849 for sure. You ca
75 OB1504 : Huge surprise to me, considering that all signs pointed to an imminent entry to MIA, and maybe B6 and others following suit soon after (just look at h
76 Atomsareenough : Well, according to Reuters, the MIA's CPE is around $17... that's even higher than SFO, which is itself quite high. It's hard to make money on a new
77 MAH4546 : Which is why the landing fee portion (which I believe is around $4.50-$5) of that is waived for a year for all new services.
78 Atomsareenough : Even with the discount, that's still gotta be more than twice what the CPE is at FLL though, isn't it?
79 Post contains images CGKings317 : I will attempt to flesh out an argument for a VX presence at PDX: First: I will concede that the PDX market is significantly smaller than the Puget S
80 MAH4546 : Yes, but regardless, the MIA-LAX market also has a 46% fare premium over FLL-LAX. MIA is still the preferred airport for premium travelers, and the i
81 Atomsareenough : Oh, it surprises me too... I'm just trying to rationalize why they picked FLL over MIA.
82 Cschleic : Miami is one of the most expensive U.S. airports for operating costs, from the airlines' perspective. That's one reason FLL fares are less.
83 MarcoPoloWorld : Well said. My thoughts precisely. Premium-to-premium markets constitute VX's real strength. I don't understand this sudden shift in strategy (eg. Sta
84 FlyPNS1 : But that may be just it, the FLL-LAX (and by extension the PBI-LAX) market is somewhat underserved. The current market is just a bunch of red-eyes wh
85 OP3000 : The other thing is the B6 factor on FLL-LAX, which has quickly become a potential pest on this launch to SFO. If and when VX launches LAX, B6 can bec
86 DL752 : Finally some Virgin America action in Florida! I would love to catch a few flights. Congrats, DL752
87 MAH4546 : Are you referring to FLL-LAX? VX is launching FLL-LAX and FLL-SFO, 2x daily on each.
88 OP3000 : Yes, sorry I misspoke. And I just saw that B6 only has a daily FLL-LGB.
89 Lotsamiles : Clever response from Spirit in my e-mail today: "We're No Virgin! We've Been Cheap & Easy For Years. From $9* Each Way.‏"
90 OB1504 : Agreed. AA has many of these same advantages out of MIA, but they don't benefit from the lower cost structure of B6, making them somewhat easier to c
91 Aviators99 : It's already back.
92 BigGSFO : Thanks. I guess it's back to plan A for VX in terms of growing their fleet since Republic won the Frontier deal.
93 DeltaL1011man : IMO DL would be stupid to give up the gate to VX. My question is will they just sub-lease the rest of L or let AA take over the leases? IMO if they s
94 Iflyatldl : I wonder if ATL is on their "Wish List". I have had a couple people mention to me in passing "sometime-down-the-road", but every time I've taken that
95 Miaua777 : Does anyone know which gates VX will use in FLL?
96 BigGSFO : Yes it is and it has been bantered about in the press lately along with Dallas, Austin, etc. But as we all know, we'll believe it when the tires hit
97 ScottB : SNA is a premium market. The airport is slot-limited and Orange County's median household income is among the highest in the state. Looks like I call
98 Sflaflight : I dont know. That's an interesting one. Do VX do their own handling or does someone else? If someone else does, then we will see them with their hand
99 Atomsareenough : They don't do their own handling. Even at SFO, it's contracted out to Menzies.
100 RJpieces : Any chance of them jumping into JFK-FLL?
101 MAH4546 : Pretty close to zero. VX even said so themselves. Now if they had been smart and went to MIA...
102 RJpieces : From the routemap on their website: # Service between Fort Lauderdale (FLL) and San Diego (SAN), Orange County (SNA), Seattle (SEA), and Las Vegas (LA
103 Aviators99 : The funny thing is there they have no service FLL-SEA.
104 SANFan : That's interesting since SEA has 2 connecting points (LA and SF) and VX couldn't even provide a single connection in either direction. (SAN of course
105 Aviators99 : They *do* have multiple connections in the eastbound direction.
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