BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 16231 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8553 times:
Quoting Captaink (Reply 2): Cheaper operating costs if they decide to run a couple flights a day.
That's as good a reason as any, and I would guess that FLL will be VX's smallest station, even when it is fully up. But this would be a bit of a change for them. Unlike many LCCs (using the term loosely) VX has made little or no effort to serve any secondary airports. They like to cherry pick the best routes, and it would seem to me that MIA is better than FLL in that respect.
And another thing just occurred to me. Why would they not also add a flight or two to JFK and/or IAD from FLL? Is that market just too saturated or low yielding for them?
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Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33793 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8553 times:
A huge blow to Miami, which has been working closely with VX to bring them to MIA.
At the same time, it makes sense. Success for VX at MIA, especially in the premium and large MIA-LAX market, requires frequency. FLL does not. I really see this as a way to establish themselves in South Florida and eventually make inroads at MIA when aircraft are available. They really would need at least two daily MIA-SFO and three daily MIA-LAX to successfully counter AA.
In short, it seems VX rather create a presence now in South Florida via FLL, rather than wait out to create a presence later when they have the equipment to make a carefully planned entry into the tougher MIA market.
I do not think this eliminates VX entering MIA in the next 2 years. They are at LAX and SNA; they have publicly talked about entering EWR; and there is nothing stopping them from MIA and FLL.
CGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8548 times:
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Congrats to FLL for this new service. With the exception of ATL, this will round out the east coast well. I especially applaud VX for deciding, in this instance, that expanding proactively is a much better route to take than fighting for space at slot-controlled and/or gate-constrained airports. While I would have preferred VX rounding out the west coast with PDX, SFO-FLL and LAX-FLL will be a good pair of routes for them. I predict ORD and PDX will be next in line to receive the VX experience (hopefully within the next 12 months).
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Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8550 times:
Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19): Success for VX at MIA, especially in the premium and large MIA-LAX market, requires frequency. FLL does not. I really see this as a way to establish themselves in South Florida and eventually make inroads at MIA when aircraft are available. They really would need at least two daily MIASFO and three daily MIALAX to successfully counter AA.
Very true. This might be a smart move on VX's part. Since they are short on aircrafts, this does make sense. To compete with AA's multiple LAX flights and 3 SFO fligths, frequency is a must.
Here is the interesting question: Will they run daylight flights (where they would have the LAX market to themselves) since NK and DL are running red eyes? Of course, SFO-FLL will be to themselves.
Slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 915 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8549 times:
There are lots of people who want to fly to FLL rather than MIA - depending on where your end destination is, and from FLA you can fly down to Key West too. All good for the pink dollar and other travellers.
Over in Britain, many's peoples' preferred routing to MIA area is via New York and then FLL, MIA as an airport is one that features on the 'only do it if you have to' list.
Sounds a good route for VX, hopefully MIA will follow when they've established a market for themselves.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27180 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8549 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 21): where they would have the LAX market to themselves) since NK and DL are running red eyes?
Also add in JetBlue from LGB which competes dollar for dollar with those guys from LAX, which coincidentally also is a red-eye to FLL.
I still say MIA would have been better. FLL is always going to have endless low-yield LCC competition. (I mean you even SWA offers cheap 1-stop LA-FLL fares), while at MIA atleast you would have an opportunity see bumped up fares and also attract a few premium clients even with the lower frequency.
Also to me MIA and FLL are two different markets. I would never fly into FLL, when I have business in MIA.
Anyhow hope it works for them.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33793 posts, RR: 70
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8553 times:
Quoting Slinky09 (Reply 22): Over in Britain, many's peoples' preferred routing to MIA area is via New York and then FLL, MIA as an airport is one that features on the 'only do it if you have to' list.
Miami-London is 6x the size of Fort Lauderdale-London, so clearly the "only if you have to" list is quite small.
: I'm very excited about it. Most of my transcon travel is FLL-SEA, and I've been connecting somewhere anyway (usually IAH). I'll be even happier to co
: MIA is neither slot- nor gate-constrained. Arguably FLL has bigger issues with gate availability and airfield congestion. The big problem with MIA is
: 51 minutes past midnight in the West Coast and still nothing on their website. Not to be a pain, but I want to book SFO - FLL return tickets for Decem
: First off KFLL has far cheaper usage fees....and yes...far more congestion especially during peak hours for the one usable runway on the north side. H
: Nice to see VX broaden their reach a bit. I'm sure they'll do fine in FLL. I also heard from a good source that they will probably start service to MS
: I have heard the same thing. With additional Airbus Aircraft soon available, maybe it will be soner than later.
: I agree, they would not make inroads on NYC-FLL. NYC-MIA however would work well for VX, it would attract similar crowds to their trans cons. Plus NY
: VX now has this route on their website. It's official!!!! I've been waiting years for this announcement haha...
: I question the routes and the frequency. Those are awfully long-haul for low-yield. I'm sure they have hopes of getting the "beautiful people", but th
: That is the target market of all of their other routes, and it seems that they could find more of those people in Miami. I don't necessarily think th
: They need a lot of luck finding people to pay $849 each way for a ticket in their First Class cabin to Fort Lauderdale. That's a joke. There is a lot
: As a South Florida native, I certainly welcome VX to our region and will definitely give them a try on my next LAX trip. Sucks they chose FLL but atle
: The schedule is 2(!) daily flights each way. There goes my theory about not going to MIA...this could have worked from MIA. Too bad. VX 334 LAX 1045-1
: It hasn't worked so well in their other routes and it will work even more poorly in a seasonal, heavily leisure market like FLL-SFO/LAX. The only goo
: That's been their strategy so far...odd that they didn't continue it. They are? I thought they had more planes than they could place with Direct Air.
: Also, VX is interested in F9's Airbus fleet, if WNs bid is successful and they decide to sell the planes. http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/20
: It will be interesting to see how and if NK will respond to VX entering the market. To my knowledge NK only offers 1 flight to LAX and VX will not onl
: I can understand why VX chose FLL based on the amount of O&D and lower facilty charges, but I believe PBI would have been a better, much less congeste
: At least FLL will steal some traffic from MIA, just not the premium traffic that VX wants. PBI can't accomplish any of that. On the bright side, for
: They are delay-prone because that's where the demand is; people want to fly to SFO, JFK, LAX, etc... Hmm. I'd imagine it's a bit down the list, thoug
: Everyone keeps saying PDX but for some reason I just don't see it? PDX has lost a lot of pax of late and it isn't exactly a premium market. Why do yo