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Delta Issues RFI For Portable IFE  
User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

According to this article:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...to-bring-portable-ife-to-747s.html

DL issued an RFI for portable IFE. The article specifically mentiones the 744 fleet, but it could also be for the 763ER fleet, as DL want to harmonize the interiors for a more consistent experience. Very interesting....

Also very interesting in the article (though not that surprising) is that Chris Babb (DL senior product manager) said in a DL blog that the future of DL probably be more twin engined widebodies, vs four engined widebodies, given the desire for more point to point non-stop service.


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3900 times:

I hope they are looking at a product smaller than the ones given out at AS. I would recommend ipods with power connections.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3900 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
I hope they are looking at a product smaller than the ones given out at AS.

The digEplayer (used on AS, and on HA now as well) was invented by a former AS ramper. There's a newer version being rolled out which has a better screen and isn't quite as bulky.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

I assume these will be handed out free of charge, or else the point of harmonizing the experience across the fleet won't be realized.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2):
There's a newer version being rolled out which has a better screen and isn't quite as bulky.

I've never flown with an airline that has portable IFE. How does it work? Do you attach it to your seat, or does it sit on the tray table?



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3900 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Do you attach it to your seat, or does it sit on the tray table?

AS hands them out to their F pax free of charge. It is like a DVD player but bulkier, sits on your tray table. Also it is offered for I think $10 for the people in Y. It has OK quality, screen size, and 10 or so movies, and some other programming.


User currently offlineKirkSeattle From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

http://www.alaskaair.com/as/www2/Flights/digEplayer.asp

I did receive one on my last AS flight (MCO-SEA) but didn't use it much. I chatted with the person next to me instead who works in the aviation industry which was quite entertaining and enlightening.  Big grin

-Kirk


User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Speaking of consistent experiences, what are their plans/refurb schedule for the NW interiors...their 757s are rough, nothing at all like the DL ones.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Didn't Panasonic once offer the eXpress portable IFE system? I can't seem to find it on Panasonic's website anymore.


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User currently offlineDLA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

e.Digital also makes an IFE system with a 7" screen though they now make an 8" screen. A few airlines use the 7" model but not the 8" unit.

http://www.edigital.com


User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3001 times:



Quoting DLA330 (Reply 8):
Didn't Panasonic once offer the eXpress portable IFE system? I can't seem to find it on Panasonic's website anymore.


It doubt it will be Panasonic. DAL is not happy with the support and reliability of the efx system currently installed and we've been told it will be replace in 2 years on all aircraft with a yet to be determined system.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

AA used the panasonics on their M80s in the F cabin as well as for sale in the Y cabin. The results were subpar (used mainly on the ORD-west coast sectors...)


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2734 times:



Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 9):
. DAL is not happy with the support and reliability of the efx system currently installed and we've been told it will be replace in 2 years on all aircraft with a yet to be determined system.

I woudn't be so sure about that. Remember that in the widebody IFE market, there are currently only two significant manufacturers - Panasonic and Thales.

The #3 supplier, Rockwell Collins, no longer offers their systems on new-build widebody aircraft. And speaking of Rockwell Collins, an interesting fact was that the TES system that was once used on the 772ERs, 764ERs, and 763ERs (in BusinessElite) was actually upgradeable to AVOD, but DL instead chose to look elsewhere for AVOD, and went with Panasonic. I highly doubt DL would go back to Rockwell Collins because of this.

There is also Lumexis with their fiber-optic system, but it is still experimental (currently being tested by US Airways).

Therefore, the only realilstic alternative to Panasonic would be Thales.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2712 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):

Then I would say it'll be Thales. Delta isn't happy with Panasonic and as said above is looking for other options.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19727 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

You know, the next step is to hook these portable IFE devices into a wireless network and stream AVOD through them.

I don't think we've developed a device with the bandwidth to do this reliably yet with high quality video, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.


User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2609 times:



Quoting Kappel (Thread starter):
DL want to harmonize the interiors for a more consistent experience

I would suggest harmonizing the interiors of the 747 and 763ERs by adding the seatback AVOD on the 330s to the 747 and 763 fleet. That is a nice system (especially the version with the slimline boxes in the foot areas). The overhead IFE on the 763s is about 10 years behind the trend and lugging 300+ handhelds around (where would they store them all???) is going to be a pain and does smack a bit of "we can't really be bothered to install a proper system so make do with this handout"

talking of DL interiors...whatever happened to the cosysuite seats supposedly destined for the long haul fleet? DLs long haul 763 seats are about the most uncomfortable seats I've had to sit in for 8+ hours.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Good move by Delta. I think the program will be successful from a customer standpoint (better entertainment options) and from Delta's standpoint (less expensive than a full PTV installation).

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 10):
AA used the panasonics on their M80s in the F cabin as well as for sale in the Y cabin. The results were subpar (used mainly on the ORD-west coast sectors...)

While this may be true, I would think that there would be more demand on TATL and TPAC sectors, especially longer sectors that currently don't have PTVs.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2512 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 14):
(where would they store them all???)

This seems like a major problem how many would fit in a cart? I cant imagine there would be to many free cart stowrages or simply empty carts unless they removed some aspect of the service or only offered a small number of them for rent??


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2497 times:



Quoting MMEPHX (Reply 14):
I would suggest harmonizing the interiors of the 747 and 763ERs by adding the seatback AVOD on the 330s to the 747 and 763 fleet.

I assume this is a cheaper solution than refitting the entire cabin of the 744 and 763ER fleet. It would also be a much faster solution. I imagine it would take months to refit all 744 and 763ER aircraft with new seats.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2495 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):

You know, the next step is to hook these portable IFE devices into a wireless network and stream AVOD through them.

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I've been saying this for a few years - particularly once you have wireless internet running at high speeds. The airline could have their own hosted content site (think "onboard.delta.com" or something like that) where streaming audio and video could be hosted by the carrier for access by not only rented portable devices but via customer-owned WiFi devices like laptops, netbooks, PDAs, etc.



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