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Why Are We All Told To Close The Blinds?  
User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21972 times:

I was flying longhaul with BA on a 763 from YYC-LHR, and about 3 hours or so into the flight the flight attendants came through the cabin and asked everyone to close their blinds... I've never seen this before, but my Dad who was recently on an AC flight from SEL-YVR had the same experience with the AC crew. Why is everyone asking us to close the blinds on longhaul flights now? Is this as it gets dark for some reason? Why would they want blinds closed when it gets dark??

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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21983 times:
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Every time I fly long haul I get this.

It's basically a small way to help alleviate jet lag as you fly through time zones. This is the same reason as you get mood lighting in the cabin, it's basically to get your body to adjust your body clock to the timezone at your destination. So if it's dark at the destination, close the blinds to 'fool' your body into thinking it's nightime. As we fly through dawn and dusk this can also have an effect on our body clock, probably why you where asked to close your blind at this time.

I personally don't really think it helps but there is a strong school of thought that says it does.

Here is a useful tool to determine time-zones around the world.

Sandyb123

[Edited 2009-08-11 16:56:13]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21938 times:

That is very common on overnight flights. It's to help passengers sleep. If the blinds aren't closed, when the sun comes up and the cabin becomes very bright, it's hard to sleep unless you're using an eyemask. And on many routes, the North Atlantic to Europe being a good example, the nights are very short this time of year. And on routes like YYC-LHR that usually go quite far north, it doesn't even get totally dark this time of year.

User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21916 times:

Ahh I see. I've never had it before, also BA does include a packet at your seat, with toothpaste and toothbrush etc... but they also have an eyemask for sleeping. I personally have not benefitted at all and jetlag feels exactly the same as it does every time I fly this route. I can see why they do it to keep the cabin dark when it gets light, but just makes me curious that I have never seen it happen in all my years oflying longhaul until now..

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21901 times:

As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...that and Air Asia (AK) are my only experiences with non-US carriers.

Once you're in the air, it's up to you. However, on SQ1, there's not that much to see, as the flight departs at 01:30 in SFO and arrives at 06:30 in HKG, so it's almost entirely in the dark  Smile (just getting to be sunrise in Hong Kong...). Although my wife woke me up to see the pack ice as we flew across the Bering Strait between Alaska and Siberia, which was quite visible in the moonlight the night we flew it.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21799 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 1):
So if it's dark at the destination, close the blinds to 'fool' your body into thinking it's nightime.

Are you sure? I was on some flights leaving and arriving afternoon and the FA's wanted the blinds shut. Absolutely worst was OK, the FA's were acting like window shutter nazis.

Quoting Boeingluvr (Thread starter):
I've never seen this before, but my Dad who was recently on an AC flight from SEL-YVR had the same experience with the AC crew.

AC? I can't remember when if I ever seen them doing this.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...

Isn't that actually safety regulation? I've seen AC FA's asking/ordering the passengers to open the blinds before landing. I would do it without being told. It's always good to know what's going on around you.


User currently offlineUSAirways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21783 times:

I have a different perspective, here in DFW, it is due to heat. If you close the shades you reduce heat in the cabin, therefor reducing the workload on the APU air conditioning the aircraft. Also on the ramp rather than running the APU to keep it cooled, airlines have switched to the GPU, to cut costs in fuel, which doesn't have sufficient power to supply, the avionics, lighting, and the air conditioning, that is primarily the Engines job, along with the engines.


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User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21636 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
AC? I can't remember when if I ever seen them doing this.

Yea my Dad was complaing... He was up front in J class and wondered why he was being told to close his shade... It's an expensive fare... He figured he should be allowed to have his shade down if he wants... But they AC F/A's insisted...


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21600 times:

Quoting Boeingluvr (Thread starter):
I was flying longhaul with BA on a 763 from YYC-LHR, and about 3 hours or so into the flight the flight attendants came through the cabin and asked everyone to close their blinds... I've never seen this before,

On the YYC-LHR route the flight departs YYC at 21:35 local time. That is 04:35 uk time. and lands into the uk at 13:25. The majority of our customers eat and go off to sleep around 2 hours after departure. During the summer it is not unusual for the sun to rise just over 2 hours after that. In order to allow everyone to maximise the time they can sleep without being disturbed by light coming into the cabin we normally ask customers sat by a window to close window blinds. This allows our customer to have the maximum amount of rest possible.

Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 1):
It's basically a small way to help alleviate jet lag as you fly through time zones. This is the same reason as you get mood lighting in the cabin, it's basically to get your body to adjust your body clock to the timezone at your destination. So if it's dark at the destination, close the blinds to 'fool' your body into thinking it's nightime. As we fly through dawn and dusk this can also have an effect on our body clock, probably why you where asked to close your blind at this time.

Very good explaination.

In 2005 after the sucessful launch of the flat beds in CW, BA commisioned sleep specialist Dr Chris Idzikowski of the Edinburgh Sleep Centre to carry out a six-month study to look at the differences that east-west and west-east flying has on the passengers' body clock, the best sleeping positions in flight and the ideal time to take a nap to reduce jet lag. The information gathered was to give BA a better understanding in how it could improve it's CW seat and service to ensure it's customers experienced a more relaxing and comfortable journey. The study found that avoidance of light at certain times is also an important cue to the body clock to help you recover more swiftly from the effects of crossing time zones. Avoiding light can be achieved by drawing the blinds or curtains in the room you are in, or wearing an eye mask. If there’s nothing else you can do, then simply wearing dark glasses will help.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
I was on some flights leaving and arriving afternoon and the FA's wanted the blinds shut. Absolutely worst was OK, the FA's were acting like window shutter nazis.

Before Dr Idizikowski published his study at BA we used to ask customers to close window blinds on long day flights. As we thought it would help our customers sleep. However it was found it actually made the affects of jet lag worse and since then we have been asked by the management not to ask customers to close their window blinds on day sectors.

After the study Dr Idizikowski became BA's resident sleep expert and has published a sleep guide on the companies web site.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/health-sleep-tips/public/en_gb

The guide provides:

* Tips on how to get better sleep when travelling
* A checklist of things to do before, during and after a flight
* Information on the affect of flying
* A jet lag calculator
* Info on sleep personalities and what it means to you
* Podcast to with useful sleep information

Some of the information is very interesting. A friend of mine who flies regularly to the US and Asia on business tried the sleep guide out and said that some of the information contained in the guide has helped him to get more restfull sleep while abroad and when he gets home.

[Edited 2009-08-11 18:52:31]

User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21586 times:



Quoting USAirways787 (Reply 6):
I have a different perspective, here in DFW,

Yeah when the aircraft is on the ground I think the others are asking why they are asked to close the blinds in flight.


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21546 times:

Even on QR flights to and from the USA, the FAs asked us to shut the blinds throughout the flight ( except during take off and landing).


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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21485 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...that and Air Asia (AK) are my only experiences with non-US carriers.



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
Isn't that actually safety regulation? I've seen AC FA's asking/ordering the passengers to open the blinds before landing. I would do it without being told. It's always good to know what's going on around you.

This is one thing that annoys me - folks who leave the blinds shut on takeoff and landing. In fact, it happens a lot when I'm seated in the aisle that the person in the window seat sees me looking out the window and closes it... I had one of the most disorienting takeoffs on a CO 764 departing guam, when 80% of the shades were drawn... its like there is no point of reference!



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21450 times:



Quoting USAirways787 (Reply 6):
Also on the ramp rather than running the APU to keep it cooled, airlines have switched to the GPU, to cut costs in fuel, which doesn't have sufficient power to supply, the avionics, lighting, and the air conditioning, that is primarily the Engines job, along with the engines.

The air conditioning doesn't run without the APU on, as there is nothing to supply the air cycle machine without bleed air  Wink Most airports in warmer climes actually supply a duct blowing cold, air-conditioned air into the fuselage at the gate...



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21445 times:



Quoting Halophila (Reply 11):
Isn't that actually safety regulation? I've seen AC FA's asking/ordering the passengers to open the blinds before landing. I would do it without being told. It's always good to know what's going on around you.

This is one thing that annoys me - folks who leave the blinds shut on takeoff and landing. In fact, it happens a lot when I'm seated in the aisle that the person in the window seat sees me looking out the window and closes it... I had one of the most disorienting takeoffs on a CO 764 departing guam, when 80% of the shades were drawn... its like there is no point of reference!

It is a common misconception that window blinds have to be open for take off and landing. Some airlines have their own policy on window blinds but it is not a legal requirement.

I know in the UK and most of Europe only the window blinds on aircraft doors or at observation windows have to be open when the aircraft is on the ground, during take off, approach and landing. Other cabin window blinds can be closed at anytime.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5233 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21418 times:

Funny. I flew NW STL-MEM-MSY return in May, and as we taxied to the gate at MEM from the STL-MEM portion we were asked to lower the blinds. This was around noon give or take. We were not asked to do so on any other flight segment I was on, all daylight flights except the return MEM-STL. Odd.


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User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21312 times:
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I've run into this request as well on long flights but, it was just that a simple request. Telling the F/A that I prefer to have the blind open and it's why I choose a window seat always worked. I've never been TOLD I had to shut it.

Heck, on flights to Japan I'd sit on the right side of the plane just so I could look north and see the ice and such. And of course on the return I'd sit on the left.

Even if it's just ocean there are still interesting cloud formations, wave patterns, etc. Or, just looking at the wing and watching it work.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21303 times:



Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 7):
He was up front in J class and wondered why he was being told to close his shade... It's an expensive fare... He figured he should be allowed to have his shade down if he wants...

And everybody else who paid the expensive fare should be allowed to get a good nights rest, uninterrupted by sun light, which quickly rises on a very northern route like YYC-LHR.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21873 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 21284 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
And everybody else who paid the expensive fare should be allowed to get a good nights rest, uninterrupted by sun light, which quickly rises on a very northern route like YYC-LHR.

I assume they do give out eye masks in J....

-Mir



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 21161 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 17):
And everybody else who paid the expensive fare should be allowed to get a good nights rest, uninterrupted by sun light, which quickly rises on a very northern route like YYC-LHR.

I assume they do give out eye masks in J....

-Mir

BA offer eye masks in all cabins.

However quite a few customers don't like wearing them. Thats why having a dark cabin on a night sector is a good idea


User currently offlineAirlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 21120 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
That is very common on overnight flights. It's to help passengers sleep. If the blinds aren't closed, when the sun comes up and the cabin becomes very bright, it's hard to sleep unless you're using an eyemask. And on many routes, the North Atlantic to Europe being a good example, the nights are very short this time of year. And on routes like YYC-LHR that usually go quite far north, it doesn't even get totally dark this time of year.

hummm, Eastbound flights might work but I've experienced the same on a westbound fight where it stay dark til my destination. Never ask why and never understand why.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15834 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 21092 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...that and Air Asia (AK) are my only experiences with non-US carriers

Of course all US carriers and many foreign ones require this for safety.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 14):
Funny. I flew NW STL-MEM-MSY return in May, and as we taxied to the gate at MEM from the STL-MEM portion we were asked to lower the blinds. This was around noon give or take. We were not asked to do so on any other flight segment I was on, all daylight flights except the return MEM-STL. Odd.

This was to help keep the aircraft cool while it was being turned around. RJs tend to heat up faster as well. This is somewhat standard in warmer climates.



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User currently offlineVHSMM From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20871 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...that and Air Asia (AK) are my only experiences with non-US carriers

Of course all US carriers and many foreign ones require this for safety.

It is a requirement in Australia and New Zealand too.

My cynical view is that airlines tell you to close the window blinds to encourage us to go to sleep and therefore require less service from the cabin crew.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2185 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20811 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 4):
As I recall, SQ actually requires you to open the blinds for takeoff and landing...



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 5):
Isn't that actually safety regulation? I've seen AC FA's asking/ordering the passengers to open the blinds before landing.

It's a federal regulation in Canada, if I'm not mistaken, so it could also be in Singapore?



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20775 times:

I've had this requested very sternly on DL flight 803 (ATL/HNL). This flight is in the middle of the day, and we still had an hour or two of U.S. mainland to fly over when it was announced. Of course I got the window seat so I could look outside (my IFE). And I can't sleep well on a red eye, let alone a flight covering the middle of the day that lands only "3 hours" after it takes off. Even though I could still open my windows, it was just blinding trying to look out with dark-adapted eyes, so I kept them closed except for a couple brief peeks. To me it was all just a reason for the crew to work less. They weren't very visible for a few hours after the announcement. It was very disappointing.

User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20775 times:



Quoting Boeingluvr (Thread starter):
Why is everyone asking us to close the blinds on longhaul flights now?

On some long-haul flights on at night on AA the FAs go down the aisles after dinner with a long stick which they reach out to lower the windows on each row. That way the passengers don't need to be hassled with that.

Quoting Halophila (Reply 11):
This is one thing that annoys me - folks who leave the blinds shut on takeoff and landing. In fact, it happens a lot when I'm seated in the aisle that the person in the window seat sees me looking out the window and closes it... I had one of the most disorienting takeoffs on a CO 764 departing guam, when 80% of the shades were drawn... its like there is no point of reference!

I feel your pain...no matter how many times i take off and land in the same airport, its still much more boring to take off/land without any type of view.


25 MillwallSean : Yeah I tend to agree with that and its usually the western airlines that insists on it further emphasising my belief that your assumption is at least
26 ACFA : We ask passengers to close the blinds on long haul flights so that everyone can get some sleep. Particularly in the summer on the northern route, you
27 MEA-707 : They can bring their eyeshades if they want to sleep. I usually can't and I hate it when these witches tell me to shut my windowshade while it won't
28 SQA350 : I always get the "Please lower your blinds" on flights between Europe and Asia, espcially when flying into the Asian day. Being a window and view frea
29 SKORD : This is my No.1 pet hate with airlines!!! I can cope without free food, drinks, and lack of leg-room, i am happy to pay extra £££ for my luggage, a
30 ManuCH : I'm one of those customers who are unable to wear eye masks. They bother me and make it impossible to sleep. Therefore I appreciate it when the crew
31 BeakerLTN : Ah ha.. at least this thread answers why so many people were miffed with me for opening my blind on a recent flight from CDG to HKG.. it was light out
32 Mauiman31 : AA has been pulling the shades on the tarmac for several years now as an energy saver. They contend it keeps the cabin cooler while it's parked. The s
33 SAAB900 : This will be the main reason that given a choice I wont want to fly on a 787! If I'm paying good money for a window seat I want to see the view, even
34 Mutu : Not forgetting in the "good old days" when IFE was projected onto white screens on bulkheads, blinds were shut so that the cabin could actually see th
35 BCAL : So if you cannot keep your blind open, particularly if it is a daylight flight, why are planes designed with windows? Are they not there so the passen
36 666Wizard : Back in the day I remember flying TWA LGW-STL on a classic 747 and we were over a beautiful snowy Canada when it was time for the film to be shown, an
37 Beechnut : I used to fly YVR-SEL/ICN a lot on AC and this indeed was done. Once though it really irritated me. We were over Alaska and I was taking in the most
38 Cpd : You are getting ahead of yourself, you have to get the 787 first. And I'll have a quiet laugh the day the system doesn't work, and you'll wish you ha
39 744flyer : I that had happen to me on a flight to Europe a couple of weeks ago. I had no one sitting near me, but nonetheless the stewardess told me to shut the
40 CometOrbit : As an astronomer, one of the great pleasures of long-haul night flying is watching the night sky unfold as you track the globe. I like to watch the st
41 UnitedFA07 : It's in our Announcement book... WINDOW SHADES "Lowering window shades will enhance the viewing of the screens (if appropriate) and darken the cabin f
42 Mockney : I was recently on a BA daytime flight from LHR - YYZ and after lunch the FA started to go round and shut the blinds. The cabin was barely a quarter oc
43 September11 : So do I. Some people can't see inflight movie with so much sunlight. By closing the blinds, the cabin gets darker and movie viewing gets better.
44 Md80fanatic : Amazing how wimpy we have become. Blind open, blind closed, waaah waaah waaah. At first glance one might think you were Mars astronauts confined to a
45 Ssides : This has been frustrating to me on many occasions. I fly several ultra-long haul flights per year (e.g., IAH-DXB, LAX-SIN, etc.), and many times I hav
46 Jtamu97 : My first experience with this was on Air France in 1997. We were flying IAH-CDG departing IAH around 4:30 pm. I left the shade open when it was DARK o
47 Adam42185 : So? I like looking out the window, which is what I spend 95% of my time doing, regardless of over land, over water, day or night, when on a flight. I
48 YYZYYT : Sadly, no. I can't recall ever getting one on a trans-atl flight, including flights on AZ, AC, LH, Zoom, Transat... (all in cattle class). Or, maybe
49 Gr8Circle : That's a violation of human rights You get my vote Sir! Now that smoking on flights is a thing of the past, instead of smoking/non-smoking seats, why
50 1stfl94 : I usually have blinds closed on night flights but never on day flights. I just it makes the cabin feel really claustrophobic with just the cabin light
51 Skyhigh777 : This would explain why on my recent DL flight from JFK, the APU was broken and we didn't have any AC at all until we were airborne (basically the col
52 Mir : But they do have the option. Whereas people who want to look out the window don't have any options if the shade is closed. The engines do power the A
53 YYZYYT : Same, on United express ORD-MSN... the flight was full and it was a hot day. I had an exit seat, so my right leg was cool, the rest of me was drenche
54 B6flyboy : In the US it is not a Federal Reg that window shades have to be up or down for taxi, take-off, or landing, not even for a window exit row. Now it coul
55 LouA340 : I know also when flights are going through the tropics another reason for closing the blinds is so that passengers are not disturbed by lightning when
56 Adam42185 : On the other hand, they would be quite beautiful if you looked out the window to watch what nature is capable of.
57 Mir : Watching a thunderstorm from the sky is one of the coolest things you can do. -Mir
58 BCAL : A question that a.netters might be able to answer. If you are asked to pull down your window blind by a member of the cabin crew and refuse, could you
59 KELPkid : It's supposed to, as the engines supply lots more bleed air than the APU does. However, it is just like your house: if you come home on a 100 degree
60 DavidYYC : As we are all aircraft/flying fanatics I would guess that the majority of us here, would prefer the blinds open. Thats why I like a window seat....to
61 KELPkid : If I could make a suggestion to my fellow travellers on long-haul flights: if you don't like the windows open, please don't hog a window seat, and le
62 UA772IAD : What an passionate thread going here. I'll start by saying that I do enjoy looking out the window as well, but I will also be courteous to my fellow p
63 UA772IAD : (Why can't I edit what I just posted??) As far as I know, no airline charges additional fares for window seats yet, so this argument does not hold tru
64 JetBlue777 : Yup! But I only look out the window during takeoff and landing because after 5 minutes of looking out my neck starts to ache.
65 Adam42185 : True, if you only want a quick peek. Untrue if you like to gaze out at the world for long periods of time. I have been told to leave the exit doors b
66 HAMAD : I was on united last week. the flight was leaving from DXB to IAD. after take off and the dinner service, the Flight attendants made an announcement e
67 Cvervais : I'd actually hope it would go something like this... - FA's tint the windows completely. - Passenger in the window seat can adjust the tint so that h
68 2707200X : I'm not sure, I did not have to close the shades when I flew on a Delta red eye from OGG to SLC but I read in an Airways magazine article for this mon
69 Leezyjet : And if customers are asleep, the crew have less work to do and can chat and read magazines in the galley. This is why the airline provies eye masks.
70 Post contains links and images ExFATboy : Wow, what a commendable attitude toward the people whose fares pay your salary. Mindless "sheeple" conformity doesn't always equal "courtesy" - peopl
71 Triple7man : Oops...I meant to quote these in their entirities. Sorry I fly to Japan a lot, and I prefer to look out, but if someone is sleeping I'll close it so n
72 Post contains images DanVS : For me and for many travellers, flying is magic. It's one of the major achievements of humankind in the last centuries and it's just amazing to be abl
73 BMI727 : But the flipside is that it is a dimmer, and most likely won't completely block the view, like a tinted window.
74 Limpingduck : On long haul flights, they do this to help passengers sleep, assuming (correctly) that there is nothing to see at 35000 feet in the middle of the nigh
75 N867DA : Ships, stars, that beautiful reddish tint on the northern horizon, other planes soaring past over the dark ocean...you get a real perspective of how
76 Cvervais : Nope, oddly enough all the times I've been to Italy I came in on Cathay Pacific. I really do hope the 787's tinting will be variable and not either o
77 744flyer : I completely agree! Last week, I spent a whole flight to Europe (from JFK) starring out the window at the stars, and then watching the sunrise....and
78 Mir : They will definitely be variable. The real question is what the darkest setting will be like, and whether the FAs will force the window shades to tha
79 UnitedFA07 : Excuse me?! That was not a command saying you NEED to sleep. It was suggesting. If you want to stay up on a 12 - 16 hour flight by all means go for i
80 BCAL : Might seem rather convenient but then again perhaps it could have been an incident that triggered my dislike of VS? I don't now.[Edited 2009-08-13 00
81 SKORD : Oh dear!! This is an issue that will NEVER be resolved, and i think we are pretty much split 50/50 in our opinions. But... before a full-blown fistycu
82 Gr8Circle : Watching lightining from a plane is awesome....especially if it strikes your wingtip like it did on a 747 flight that I was on once.....but consideri
83 Kaiarahi : Do you people all go home and stamp your feet and kick the cat if your favourite TV show isn't on?
84 WildcatYXU : Well, I'll experience LH for the first time tomorrow. We'll see what will they do...if I get a window seat. I guess if all FA's would be acting like
85 ExFATboy : In the line I referred to, you directly said: That's the tone of a command. Perhaps you meant to say "some people need to sleep"? As for your umbrage
86 Iloveboeing : I always choose window seats because I LOVE to look out the window. When flying back and forth between the US and China (both times on UA), I've been
87 ExFATboy : As sympathetic as I am to people who like to look out the window, I can't agree with that...there are times of day when the sun comes in the damned w
88 DanVS : I simply hold it with my hands. Of course, I don't do this for hours long, just for some minutes in order to appreciate the view and/or take a pictur
89 Wukka : Holy Crap! I HAVE been a CSR, and if I had to deal with this kind of garbage... I will gladly go to the Fed system for you. I will also have you figh
90 ManuCH : Please try to keep the thread on topic. It's about the pros, cons and reasons of keeping the blinds open or closed during the various phases of the fl
91 Tod : Not always the case. 744 and all 767 can have the conditioned air distribution system fed by a ground cart. Ref: Boeing 744 and 767 Aircraft Maintena
92 Henkybaby : Ha, my favorite subject! I think it is a matter of etiquette. On eastbound (especially US-EUR) flights I would consider keeping the blinds closed unti
93 Mir : Any aircraft can have ground air fed into the cabin, but most of the time it's a low-pressure cart that is just pumping cool air into the cabin, and
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