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Why No Flights To TLV 27th Sep?  
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

I have been looking at flights to TLV from the UK on 27th September. However BA, BD and LY who all usually operate flights at least twice daily on a Monday all are not operating flights on that date according to their timetable.

Does anyone know the reason for this?

[Edited 2009-08-13 13:05:49]

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Jewish holiday would be my guess.

Yom Kippur maybe?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

It is because of Yom Kippur.


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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3531 times:



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Jewish holiday would be my guess.

Yom Kippur maybe?

Is this the only holiday in the world where on a public holiday the airport basically shuts down.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Yom Kippur is actually on the 28th, but a lot of flights heading to TLV from America and Europe leave the day before.

User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Actually, Yom Kippur starts at sundown on the 27th and ends on sundown on the 28th, so any flight that would be scheduled to arrive during that period would be canceled. Airlines probably also cancel flights that would arrive before sundown on the 27th but would normally use the crew and plane for a departure after sundown, unless they need the plane there for an after-sundown departure on the 28th and just absorb the overnighting cost.

CO 53 (EWR-TLV) arrives at 9:30 PM and is running on Sep 28th according to CO's website.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 3):
Is this the only holiday in the world where on a public holiday the airport basically shuts down.

Hardly.

In your own country some airports close on Christmas, as do trains.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

It is the holiest day in the Jewish Calendar, and entails a 24 hour fast amongst other restrictions. Even though most of Israel is non-observent, most of the country observes Yom Kippur.

Israel is pretty much shut down during this period. I know that Ben Gurion is closed for the 24 hours of the holiday and it is the only time the airport is closed all year.

If you are going to Israel BALHRWWCC, I'd just wait and go the next day as there probably won't be much to do there on September 28.


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3321 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Hardly.

In your own country some airports close on Christmas, as do trains.

True the trains do but if they didn't I am sure they would cancel all the trains for leaves on the track just to get the day off.

When it comes to the airports LCY and I believe PLH are the only two airports in the UK that must close for christmas day as part of their licensing. Some of the smaller regional airports may not have scheduled flights arrive or depart on christmas day but still have a ATC and Airport authority presence incase of diversions etc.


User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3281 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 8):
True the trains do but if they didn't I am sure they would cancel all the trains for leaves on the track just to get the day off.

Leaves in general, or the wrong kind of leaves?  Silly


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3239 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 5):
Airlines probably also cancel flights that would arrive before sundown on the 27th but would normally use the crew and plane for a departure after sundown, unless they need the plane there for an after-sundown departure on the 28th and just absorb the overnighting cost.

That happens. There's basically a RON of 24 hours + normal turn time.

And LY treat all Saturdays this way (or at least they used to?).



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Firstly someone messaged me shortly after posting this post and said the date I had used in the title was wrong and should be the 27th and not the 28th that I had put.

I was still able to change and did thinking they knew what they were talking about. Since then I have had it confirmed I was right however I can no longer change it.

So before anyone else PM's me I am aware the date is wrong,

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
That happens. There's basically a RON of 24 hours + normal turn time.

And LY treat all Saturdays this way (or at least they used to?).

It looks like there are flights leaving TLV early/mid morning on Sunday 27th September then nothing until early am on Tuesday .

I think Ikramerica is talking about is Shabbat the Jewish Sabbath day. Which begins at sundown of Friday and runs through until sun down on Saturday.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3172 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 11):
Shabbat the Jewish Sabbath day. Which begins at sundown of Friday and runs through until sun down on Saturday.

And all the trains stop which is why I had to change my dates for my trip last week. Flew Sunday instead. Very impressive airport TLV BTW.

----

Is the following still relevant today ??

El Al: We are not surrendering to ultra-Orthodox pressure

By Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent


In an interviewed with Haaretz on Saturday, an El Al excecutive said the company is not 'surrendering to the Haredim' and will maintain its current policy barring flights on Shabbat and holidays except in emergency situations.

The statement came a day after El Al CEO Haim Romano and attorney Yaakov Weinrot, representing the ultra-Orthodox rabbinical committee for Shabbat, signed a deal to end a dispute over Shabbat flights.

The agreement signals an end to an unofficial boycott of El Al, which has led to losses of about NIS 1 million a day, according to an official at Israel's national carrier.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/810030.html


User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2835 times:

Yum Kippur starts this year (every year it is different since the Jew calendar is what matter) in the evening of the 27th until the evening of the 28th, total of 25 hours.

From aviation perspective TLV is shutdown from 13:00 on the 27th (last landing no later than 12:00) until around 21:30 on the 28th to all traffic that because all airport personals (not to mention the passengers) should get to their home before the day start and they need time to get back to the airport after the day ends.

It is the only day in the year when the entire airport (like most of the country) is shutdown.

Regarding El-Al and the Sabbath (Saturday) it is a little bit different. El-Al (still) does not suppose to fly during the Sabbath. From the company perspective, if the aircraft is parking at the gate one minute before the Sabbath starts, it is ok. It does not important that all the passengers are still on the aircraft when the Sabbath starts.
Normally they don't plan to land that late but in case of delay they will tell the passengers before takeoff that they will make on time to the airport but there is no way the passengers will get to their home on time. If someone has problem with that, El-Al will host him in an hotel on their expense.

El-Al tried in the past to "steal" few minuets when they had delays but the orthodox groups almost decapitated their head and El-Al "behaves" itself today (unlike what there CEO said).



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