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TSA Takes Over Delta Gate Podium  
User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6203 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

I'm sitting at gate 11 at BDL right now; there are four TSA screeners hanging out behind the gate podium as if they work there or something. I don't know if they're just chilling in the comfy seats, trying to surf the net on the computers, or what. I'd like to just walk up there and start asking questions like "can I stand by for this flight?" or "can I change my seat?" so see what their reaction is. "Oh, you don't work here? Then why are you hanging out back here? Shouldn't you be screening passengers or something?" Man, if I were any of Delta representatives here, I wouldn't be very appreciative of a bunch of government employees taking over my workspace as if they own the airport. The next flight from this gate leaves in about an hour, but still, that just really irritates me for some reason--stop trying to look like airline employees and start doing your job. You four really exemplify the TSA core value, Thousands Standing Around!


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9518 times:

Boarding DL last month at LAX, there were TSA hanging out behind the DL podium background. I thought they were going to do some spot screening, but didn't see them stop anyone. Strange.


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9446 times:

I see this sort of thing, though not necessarily this exact scenario, nearly every time I fly.
It's really odd- tests prove ever year that they let something like 9 out of 10 bombs go straight under their noses.... yet there are always dozens of them "on break" just lounging around, having inappropriate and socially unacceptable conversations in loud voices, as you might expect from workers of their backgrounds and pay grades.
At IAH, they're typically in the desolate portions of terminal D.
Very frustrating as both a taxpayer, AND as a person who would like to fly more safely.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

When I've seen this, it is usually close to boarding and I've always seen them do random checks.

Dave



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9318 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
yet there are always dozens of them "on break" just lounging around

federal laws require breaks. can't be avoided, nor should it be.

as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineLimpingduck From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9303 times:

I have seen this in DTW, where they took over the skymiles booth at gate a38 and started conducting random checks

User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

LAX has got to be the worst when it comes to idle TSA staff hanging around not doing very much. You see them everywhere, sitting, eating, talking on their mobiles, listening to i-pods. There's a walkway between T6 and T7 where many will usually congregate, sitting on a low wall, talking amongst themselves not doing anything in particular.

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

LMAO.....the TSA, what a group!

I've had a few instances lately when waiting to board a flight where the TSA people have gathered at a gate as if to do a random spot check which had me thinking back to the first few years after 2001 when they would grab the second person in line and do a complete body search and carry on search, if you had any at the time. Luckily I've boarded with First Class each time I saw these people at the gate and didn't see any passengers stopped and searched. I sure do hope the individual airlines have a say in whether they are able to stop and search passengers when boarding.

Quoting Jhooper (Thread starter):
I'd like to just walk up there and start asking questions like "can I stand by for this flight?" or "can I change my seat?" so see what their reaction is.

Just do it, I dare ya!  Smile



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9024 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
I sure do hope the individual airlines have a say in whether they are able to stop and search passengers when boarding.

Sadly no - the TSA operates in its own little world and will do anything that makes themselves think they're doing a public service instead of being the public nuissance that they truly are.

The day that the TSA's reign of security theatre ends will be a day of celebration by many frequent flyers, including myself.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8992 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
Luckily I've boarded with First Class each time I saw these people at the gate and didn't see any passengers stopped and searched. I sure do hope the individual airlines have a say in whether they are able to stop and search passengers when boarding.

Yeah, I wonder what's up with this. It's obviously a change.

Maybe they are being told to take their breaks in public, rather than private, to create a "presence" or something?

Not as effective as the Swiss Police standing around talking, dressed in black holding Uzis at ZRH, but we can't all be Swiss...  Wink



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8815 times:

Yeah, at LAX a few weeks back, they were everywhere at the T3 "security" checkpoint, just standing around. The TSA were littering the hall all the way down to the round end of T3. Oh yeah, they were also just standing around the AS checkin area. Some were sitting down, some were outside. They were like crows around french fries.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8134 times:
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I hate to be "that guy" and point this out, but lately I've come to wonder if a job at the TSA is the new "Wal Mart greeter" job - the other day at SEA I noticed that every single TSA employee was in the 60 or over category.


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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8068 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?

9 out of 10 may only be a slight exaggeration...
http0136077188 ://abcnews.go.com/Travel/story?id=5579637&page=1
"An internal TSA report said screeners in Los Angeles and Chicago airports missed fake bombs on agents in more than 60% of tests in 2006."

The Star Ledger: OCT 27 - Screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport failed 20 of 22 security tests conducted by undercover U.S. agents last week, missing an array of concealed bombs and guns at checkpoints throughout the hub's three terminals...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...ogan_screeners_fail_weapons_tests/
"Five undercover agents of the US Department of Homeland Security posing as passengers last week carried weapons through several security checkpoints at Logan International Airport without being detected, officials confirmed yesterday."
http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=1107
"USA Today obtained a classified, Department of Homeland Security report and on Thursday revealed that Transport Security Administration (TSA) federal screeners at the airport in Los Angeles had missed fake bombs—hidden in carry-ons and tucked inside clothing of undercover agents—a whopping 75 percent of the time. In Chicago, the slip-through rate was 60 percent."
March of 2007, undercover Red Team agents at the airport in Denver, Colorado were able to sneak “90 percent of the simulated weapons [they carried] past checkpoint screeners."

”Undercover agents were able to smuggle prohibited items past screening checkpoints at Newark Liberty International Airport more than 90 percent of the time."


User currently offlineMurchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8039 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):

You have got to be kidding me. Public nuissance?

If they are in public eating or talking on phone they have been dismissed for some sort of break in which case its managments job to tell them to take off their uniform or act profesional. Either way I'm glad there is an abundance of them as opposed to a shortage. And random checks are fine. Airlines should have little say over federal security operations(whithin reason...)

If the unreasearched claim of 9 out of 10 bombs get through is .001% true then the more random checks the better.

Seriously. You thing they let them doddle around on the clock?



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User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

Due to overstaffing they started the gate screening again....."for more security", that is what I got from the TSA Airport Director at a meeting a few months back.

So you will continue to see 2 - 4 screeners sitting around who may or may not be actually screening passengers.

Chris



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User currently offlinePH-TVH From Netherlands, joined May 2001, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7751 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
I hate to be "that guy" and point this out, but lately I've come to wonder if a job at the TSA is the new "Wal Mart greeter" job - the other day at SEA I noticed that every single TSA employee was in the 60 or over category.

+1 for you my friend!

Same goes for European (Dutch) private security companies. If you have failed in everything... join a private security company...


User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7747 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):


Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
yet there are always dozens of them "on break" just lounging around

federal laws require breaks. can't be avoided, nor should it be.

as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?

5 out of 7...close enough. However, they do usually catch water bottles http://consumerist.com/consumer/your...ater-bottle-misses-bomb-276845.php



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User currently offlineRevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 7046 times:



Quote:

Seriously. You thing they let them doddle around on the clock?

Government job????? Yep they sure do.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6905 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 3):
When I've seen this, it is usually close to boarding and I've always seen them do random checks.

Yep. My wife and I witnessed this at MDW back in the Spring at our gate for the flight prior to ours. Of course, half the TSA folks were doing the random screening and the other half were just standing back away from everyone with their personal cell phones up to their ears. Very frustrating as a passenger, a taxpayer, and just a human in general. I don't pay for these idiots to talk on their stupid phones. The poor WN gate agent wasn't at all amused by their actions either. It made the flight departure late by 45 minutes.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6892 times:



Quoting Murchmo (Reply 13):
Seriously. You thing they let them doddle around on the clock?

Yes. Without a doubt because I have seen it with my own eyes. If they are on "breaks" as you say, then get off the terminal floor and go to break. Don't follow around those who are not on "breaks".



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6867 times:
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Quoting Planenutz (Reply 6):
LAX has got to be the worst when it comes to idle TSA staff hanging around not doing very much.

Most my negative experience with TSA has taken place at LAX.  no 

Quoting Planenutz (Reply 6):
listening to i-pods.

They tried to steal a iPod Nano from me at LAX. Had to confront the screener and ended up filing a complaint with his supervisor.  eyepopping 


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6774 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
federal laws require breaks. can't be avoided, nor should it be.

as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?

So Federal employees get breaks but us normal private workers don't? Unbelievable!!! I've held 5 different jobs in my life and the only job I got a break at was a restaurant job when I was 16. Otherwise no breaks, it's not like a want a break either though, I'm here to work, not sit on my but and get paid not to work.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6069 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 21):
So Federal employees get breaks but us normal private workers don't? Unbelievable!!! I've held 5 different jobs in my life and the only job I got a break at was a restaurant job when I was 16. Otherwise no breaks, it's not like a want a break either though, I'm here to work, not sit on my but and get paid not to work.

All states and federal laws require at least one break for every three hours worked. If over six hours of total work time, then a minimum 30 minute break is required as well as the regular 10 minute minimum.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineMurchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

I understand what you're saying but I wouldn't consider them doddling if they are in their posted position. -ts not their fault if its not that busy. I dunno people, I'm surprised at the backlash against these people "workers of their backgrounds and paygrades" what does that mean? What facts do you have to back this up. For how strict and to the point people are on this site its interesting to see how quickly you'll bash people when your precious time gets cut back. Haven't we all accepted that there is delays when we fly? Do we all have good experiences and bad experiences? They are just doing their job because we as a people said we wanted them there, I say again if there is a shortage you will all be whining about how your precious lives are in danger.


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5560 times:



Quoting Murchmo (Reply 23):
They are just doing their job because we as a people said we wanted them there,

I don't remember telling anyone I wanted them nor do I remember Uncle Sam asking me either.......

Quoting Murchmo (Reply 23):
Haven't we all accepted that there is delays when we fly?

Many times brought on by the TSA themselves while other times it's not. Still.......



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
25 Tys777 : Not all states require that, and it is not a Federal law. Labor laws regarding breaks are vastly different in most states.
26 Lexy : You are correct and I should've clarified myself. It should be noted though, most states are fairly consistant with their laws regarding time worked
27 Ikramerica : That's EWR that's 90%, not the entire system, and it's not 90% of BOMBS. New York screeners have always been some of the worst. But again, you are ex
28 Tys777 : I know work in a state that has the least restrictions on breaks out of any state I've lived in. North Dakota only requires a 30 minute unpaid break
29 N353SK : Tub Stacking Agency. Filler filler filler filler filler
30 Ksancoflyer : I have had the same experience. I was stuck in SFO for 8 hours to get to Kona, HI and I was in the UA terminal. I noticed the same thing.
31 Lexy : I thought I read you had moved. Hate to see you leave Tennessee, but I can certainly understand the reason!! I wish you all the best up there. I got
32 StuckInCA : I gotta say, man, you are probably the ONLY one who cared that he exaggerated (and only slightly). Move on.
33 IAirAllie : I didn't make up anything. I posted a bunch of articles that mention TSA testing failures. Go back and re-read what I wrote. I don't mind waiting for
34 Cubsrule : Just to add in case anyone still cares: The consequence of this screening being based not on need but on staffing levels is that the amount of gate s
35 SHUPirate1 : What country is this? In the country I live in, the United States (even if Florida is a third-world country) it's perfectly legal, albeit absolutely
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