Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6203 posts, RR: 12 Posted (5 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9682 times:
I'm sitting at gate 11 at BDL right now; there are four TSA screeners hanging out behind the gate podium as if they work there or something. I don't know if they're just chilling in the comfy seats, trying to surf the net on the computers, or what. I'd like to just walk up there and start asking questions like "can I stand by for this flight?" or "can I change my seat?" so see what their reaction is. "Oh, you don't work here? Then why are you hanging out back here? Shouldn't you be screening passengers or something?" Man, if I were any of Delta representatives here, I wouldn't be very appreciative of a bunch of government employees taking over my workspace as if they own the airport. The next flight from this gate leaves in about an hour, but still, that just really irritates me for some reason--stop trying to look like airline employees and start doing your job. You four really exemplify the TSA core value, Thousands Standing Around!
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9446 times:
I see this sort of thing, though not necessarily this exact scenario, nearly every time I fly.
It's really odd- tests prove ever year that they let something like 9 out of 10 bombs go straight under their noses.... yet there are always dozens of them "on break" just lounging around, having inappropriate and socially unacceptable conversations in loud voices, as you might expect from workers of their backgrounds and pay grades.
At IAH, they're typically in the desolate portions of terminal D.
Very frustrating as both a taxpayer, AND as a person who would like to fly more safely.
Planenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9160 times:
LAX has got to be the worst when it comes to idle TSA staff hanging around not doing very much. You see them everywhere, sitting, eating, talking on their mobiles, listening to i-pods. There's a walkway between T6 and T7 where many will usually congregate, sitting on a low wall, talking amongst themselves not doing anything in particular.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 9103 times:
LMAO.....the TSA, what a group!
I've had a few instances lately when waiting to board a flight where the TSA people have gathered at a gate as if to do a random spot check which had me thinking back to the first few years after 2001 when they would grab the second person in line and do a complete body search and carry on search, if you had any at the time. Luckily I've boarded with First Class each time I saw these people at the gate and didn't see any passengers stopped and searched. I sure do hope the individual airlines have a say in whether they are able to stop and search passengers when boarding.
Quoting Jhooper (Thread starter): I'd like to just walk up there and start asking questions like "can I stand by for this flight?" or "can I change my seat?" so see what their reaction is.
Just do it, I dare ya!
Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21500 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8992 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7): Luckily I've boarded with First Class each time I saw these people at the gate and didn't see any passengers stopped and searched. I sure do hope the individual airlines have a say in whether they are able to stop and search passengers when boarding.
Yeah, I wonder what's up with this. It's obviously a change.
Maybe they are being told to take their breaks in public, rather than private, to create a "presence" or something?
Not as effective as the Swiss Police standing around talking, dressed in black holding Uzis at ZRH, but we can't all be Swiss...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
UAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8815 times:
Yeah, at LAX a few weeks back, they were everywhere at the T3 "security" checkpoint, just standing around. The TSA were littering the hall all the way down to the round end of T3. Oh yeah, they were also just standing around the AS checkin area. Some were sitting down, some were outside. They were like crows around french fries.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8134 times:
I hate to be "that guy" and point this out, but lately I've come to wonder if a job at the TSA is the new "Wal Mart greeter" job - the other day at SEA I noticed that every single TSA employee was in the 60 or over category.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 8068 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?
9 out of 10 may only be a slight exaggeration...
"An internal TSA report said screeners in Los Angeles and Chicago airports missed fake bombs on agents in more than 60% of tests in 2006."
The Star Ledger: OCT 27 - Screeners at Newark Liberty International Airport failed 20 of 22 security tests conducted by undercover U.S. agents last week, missing an array of concealed bombs and guns at checkpoints throughout the hub's three terminals... http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...ogan_screeners_fail_weapons_tests/
"Five undercover agents of the US Department of Homeland Security posing as passengers last week carried weapons through several security checkpoints at Logan International Airport without being detected, officials confirmed yesterday." http://www.analyst-network.com/article.php?art_id=1107
"USA Today obtained a classified, Department of Homeland Security report and on Thursday revealed that Transport Security Administration (TSA) federal screeners at the airport in Los Angeles had missed fake bombs—hidden in carry-ons and tucked inside clothing of undercover agents—a whopping 75 percent of the time. In Chicago, the slip-through rate was 60 percent."
March of 2007, undercover Red Team agents at the airport in Denver, Colorado were able to sneak “90 percent of the simulated weapons [they carried] past checkpoint screeners."
”Undercover agents were able to smuggle prohibited items past screening checkpoints at Newark Liberty International Airport more than 90 percent of the time."
If they are in public eating or talking on phone they have been dismissed for some sort of break in which case its managments job to tell them to take off their uniform or act profesional. Either way I'm glad there is an abundance of them as opposed to a shortage. And random checks are fine. Airlines should have little say over federal security operations(whithin reason...)
If the unreasearched claim of 9 out of 10 bombs get through is .001% true then the more random checks the better.
Seriously. You thing they let them doddle around on the clock?
PH-TVH From Netherlands, joined May 2001, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 7751 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11): I hate to be "that guy" and point this out, but lately I've come to wonder if a job at the TSA is the new "Wal Mart greeter" job - the other day at SEA I noticed that every single TSA employee was in the 60 or over category.
+1 for you my friend!
Same goes for European (Dutch) private security companies. If you have failed in everything... join a private security company...
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6905 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 3): When I've seen this, it is usually close to boarding and I've always seen them do random checks.
Yep. My wife and I witnessed this at MDW back in the Spring at our gate for the flight prior to ours. Of course, half the TSA folks were doing the random screening and the other half were just standing back away from everyone with their personal cell phones up to their ears. Very frustrating as a passenger, a taxpayer, and just a human in general. I don't pay for these idiots to talk on their stupid phones. The poor WN gate agent wasn't at all amused by their actions either. It made the flight departure late by 45 minutes.
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week ago) and read 6774 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4): federal laws require breaks. can't be avoided, nor should it be.
as for "9 of 10 bombs" getting through. Seriously, how does making things up help any argument?
So Federal employees get breaks but us normal private workers don't? Unbelievable!!! I've held 5 different jobs in my life and the only job I got a break at was a restaurant job when I was 16. Otherwise no breaks, it's not like a want a break either though, I'm here to work, not sit on my but and get paid not to work.
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6069 times:
Quoting Joeljack (Reply 21): So Federal employees get breaks but us normal private workers don't? Unbelievable!!! I've held 5 different jobs in my life and the only job I got a break at was a restaurant job when I was 16. Otherwise no breaks, it's not like a want a break either though, I'm here to work, not sit on my but and get paid not to work.
All states and federal laws require at least one break for every three hours worked. If over six hours of total work time, then a minimum 30 minute break is required as well as the regular 10 minute minimum.
Murchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
I understand what you're saying but I wouldn't consider them doddling if they are in their posted position. -ts not their fault if its not that busy. I dunno people, I'm surprised at the backlash against these people "workers of their backgrounds and paygrades" what does that mean? What facts do you have to back this up. For how strict and to the point people are on this site its interesting to see how quickly you'll bash people when your precious time gets cut back. Haven't we all accepted that there is delays when we fly? Do we all have good experiences and bad experiences? They are just doing their job because we as a people said we wanted them there, I say again if there is a shortage you will all be whining about how your precious lives are in danger.