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OAG Changes 8/14/09: AA/AS/DL/FL/NW/US/WG  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

As usual, this compares what's for sale this week versus last week. It does not compare versus last year.

NEW means it was not previously selling. It may be a seasonal route that wasn't selling yet.
CXLD means it will stop selling, again it may be seasonal but they were selling tickets beyond the season until now.
XFER Transferred between NW and DL

How to read:
MDW-MSP 9>8 NOV- means that 9 roundtrips were selling from November forward, but now it is 8.



AA
SNA-SFO CXLD 2>0 NOV-
SNA-SJC CXLD 5>0 NOV-

AS
PDX-ORD NEW 0>1 NOV-

ANC-DUT 3>2 OCT-
The Dangerous Catch film crew just got a harder commute!

DL
ATL-HHH CXLD 3>0 NOV-
MSP-SLC XFER 1>0 OCT- TO NW

NW
SLC-NRT 4/WK>0 OCT-
This was always filed as an NW flight.
ROC-MSP CXLD 1>0 OCT-

MDW-MSP 9>8 NOV-
NW typically cuts back retaliation capacity in Winter

FL
LGA-MCO 2/WK>9/WK NOV-
CO slots I suspect

LW = Pacific Wings; "CNA" Equipment
ATL-BNA 0>2 SEP-
MKL-BNA 0>4 SEP-
OWB-BNA 0>3 SEP-

S3 = Santa Barbara Airlines
MIA-MAR 1>0 SEP-

US
PHL-MBJ NEW 0>VARIOUS LESS THAN DAILY DEC-

WG
FLL-YUL NEW 0>3/WK DEC-

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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7525 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
S3 = Santa Barbara Airlines
MIA-MAR 1>0 SEP-

This is seasonal. MIA-MAR does not operate in the fall.



a.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7449 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):

LW = Pacific Wings; "CNA" Equipment
ATL-BNA 0>2 SEP-
MKL-BNA 0>4 SEP-
OWB-BNA 0>3 SEP-

Very interesting Pacific Wings is moving into the ATL-BNA market against Delta. I'd guess these are to get planes to BNA for that new service, but 2x daily seems interesting. PacWings has a great set-up for an ATL-based flyer (no TSA, use a FBO so no dealing with the main terminal), but not so great to fly into Atlanta (have to shuttle to the terminal to get to Marta/rental cars/etc.).


User currently offlineFlyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7351 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ANC-DUT 3>2 OCT-
The Dangerous Catch film
crew just got a harder commute!

Think you mean The Deadliest Catch but know what you mean...Thats gunna SUCK !!!



The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7240 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
Very interesting Pacific Wings is moving into the ATL-BNA market against Delta.

4x MKL-BNA seems like a lot.  Sad I think even AA* was only 3x when the hub was in BNA.

Quoting Flyiguy (Reply 3):
Think you mean The Deadliest Catch but know what you mean...Thats gunna SUCK !!!

Whoops. I don't watch the show!


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Wow, you never miss a week (if I remember correctly). You don't have vacation this summer?  Smile Thanks as always.

User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7202 times:



Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 5):
Wow, you never miss a week (if I remember correctly). You don't have vacation this summer? Smile Thanks as always.

I do it remotely, if necessary! Thanks


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7160 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ANC-DUT 3>2 OCT-
The Dangerous Catch film crew just got a harder commute

Depending on the day in October. I want to say the film crews would already be in Dutch stringing cameras. That is about a three week evolution by itself. It would probably be cheaper to charter jet from ANC or elsewhere.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LW = Pacific Wings; "CNA" Equipment
ATL-BNA 0>2 SEP-
MKL-BNA 0>4 SEP-
OWB-BNA 0>3 SEP-

Is this new service?. I'm not familiar with LW in BNA or anyplace else.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7109 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
but not so great to fly into Atlanta (have to shuttle to the terminal to get to Marta/rental cars/etc.).

From another vantage point ATL was already the busiest airport in the U.S. as it relates to pax stats, even before the NW merger. If I were a LW pilot I wouldn't want to line up on a ATL approach or depart unless I had a dedicated runway.

I think back a few years ago when I saw a 747 in HNL on the heels of Cessna taxiing out I was surprised ATC ground didn't separate them more.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7108 times:



Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):

Is this new service?. I'm not familiar with LW in BNA or anyplace else.

Sorry, yes. It is new. 0>2 means previously no service and now 2 flights.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7067 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
0>2 means previously no service and now 2 flights

Thanks I'm claiming late night amnesty.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6956 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
4x MKL-BNA seems like a lot. I think even AA* was only 3x when the hub was in BNA.

Eagle never seved MKL from BNA, but Trans States as AmericanConnection did from 2001-2004.



It's a Great Day for Hockey!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6549 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
Eagle never seved MKL from BNA, but Trans States as AmericanConnection did from 2001-2004.

Sorry, I think of all of AA's regional operation as Eagle. It's too confusing to separate/remember what is Connection and what is Eagle.


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6383 times:
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Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):
Eagle never seved MKL from BNA, but Trans States as AmericanConnection did from 2001-2004.

AmericanConnection (Corporate) served TRI (and ATL), not MKL from BNA.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6302 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 13):
AmericanConnection (Corporate) served TRI (and ATL), not MKL from BNA.

It was from STL, not BNA. My bad, I forgot to mention the hub, sorry.



It's a Great Day for Hockey!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6245 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 11):

Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
4x MKL-BNA seems like a lot. I think even AA* was only 3x when the hub was in BNA.

Eagle never seved MKL from BNA

I'm fairly sure it was served when the hub was in place. That was 10 years earlier. Are you sure your memory is that good?


User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6163 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Reply 15):
I'm fairly sure it was served when the hub was in place. That was 10 years earlier. Are you sure your memory is that good?

According to http://www.departedflights.com/AABNAhub.html it does not appear that AA served MKL from BNA.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 16):
According to http://www.departedflights.com/AABNAhub.html it does not appear that AA served MKL from BNA.


Maybe I'm wrong. Southern, Republic, and Skyways flew it, didn't they?

[Edited 2009-08-14 08:31:54]

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5982 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 17):
Maybe I'm wrong. Southern, Republic, and Skyways flew it, didn't they?

Republic flew it until 1982, when they started paring down the turboprop flying, especially in the South. It was served primarily from MEM and BNA, then MEM only.



It's a Great Day for Hockey!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5396 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 16):
http://www.departedflights.com/AABNAhub.html

Great website, BTW.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 18):
Republic flew it until 1982, when they started paring down the turboprop flying, especially in the South. It was served primarily from MEM and BNA, then MEM only.

I guess I was thinking of Skyways rather than AA*. That website confirms Skyways flew it. Anyway, my point was that I think 4/day (now) is the most it has ever been served and I still I'm pretty certain that is the case. Seems like too much to me.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5323 times:



Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):
Is this new service?. I'm not familiar with LW in BNA or anyplace else.

I guess they're going to operate this under the GeorgiaSkies brand? I think they only had a couple of small Cessnas so I assume they're getting more planes.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7037 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5299 times:



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 20):
I guess they're going to operate this under the GeorgiaSkies brand? I think they only had a couple of small Cessnas so I assume they're getting more planes.

That's probably true, unless it is Tennessee Skies! How many brands do they have? At least 3, right?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5241 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-HHH CXLD 3>0 NOV-

I'm guessing this is a seasonal cut. Not much golfing in the winter time a!!



What gets measured gets done.
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5235 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 22):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-HHH CXLD 3>0 NOV-

I'm guessing this is a seasonal cut. Not much golfing in the winter time a!!

Delta is ending service to HHH permanently.



a.
User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5210 times:
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Quoting PHLwok (Reply 20):
I guess they're going to operate this under the GeorgiaSkies brand? I think they only had a couple of small Cessnas so I assume they're getting more planes.



Quoting Enilria (Reply 21):
That's probably true, unless it is Tennessee Skies! How many brands do they have? At least 3, right?

Very good guess -- here is the fare filing and it mentions TENNESSEE / KENTUCKY SKIES

Departing BNA on 09/02/09 for ATL
Fare basis code YTNKY
Flying LW

Quote:

FOR YTNKY FARES
THIS FARE MAY NOT BE USED TO CALCULATE PRORATES.
NOTE -
STANDBY IS NOT PERMITTED.
2 CHECKED BAGS AT 50LBS A PIECE PER PERSON
ALLOWED
-----------------------------
ALL FLIGHTS BOOKED UNDER THIS FARE ARE OPERATED
BY -TENNESSEE SKIES OR KENTUCKY SKIES-.



25 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's interesting. Fought tooth and nail to route the Saabs through ATL and get service up there but I couldn't see how they were making money when
26 Jfk777 : What is BA changing on teh LHR to JFK route for teh winter season ?
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