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EK A380 Divert To PER  
User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

EK A380 enroute DXB-SYD is diverting to PER.
ETA 06:45LT. Reason unknown.

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User currently offlineTG990 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

Yes was gonna head out to see it land AKL soon. but obviously, inbound and outbound flights from/to SYD are now cancelled for today.

User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10654 times:

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User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10335 times:

Wow I am so glad that happened today!!! I took EK 412 from SYD to AKL yesterday! Why did it divert to PER today?


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

passenger onboard had a heart attack, A6-EDE is still on the ground awaiting a new crew from SYD, ETD is around 1400-1430.


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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

Very big news for Perth, wonder if they were able to prove they could handle the a/c with only one air bridge?

Looked quite nice on the tarmac, just a shame it happened under the circumstances it did.



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User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

I was so upset I was too busy to go out and have a look. But until seeing channel 7 news tonight I was expecting it to be a QF! The radio said it was QF SYD-SIN-LHR.

Shows how wrong some people get it.


User currently offlineWouwout From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

I'm waiting for someone to spin this story into another failure for the A380  Wink

User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9389 times:
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Quoting Wouwout (Reply 7):
I'm waiting for someone to spin this story into another failure for the A380

I can see the tabloid headlines now...

"Heart fails on A380 passenger"

I hope the passenger in question makes a full and speedy recovery.



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9375 times:
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Quoting Wouwout (Reply 7):
I'm waiting for someone to spin this story into another failure for the A380  

I hope this will not happen! On what bases? I am sure the media will find something...

Quoting EGTESkyGod (Reply 8):
"Heart fails on A380 passenger"

That is exactly what the media will make of it. Just wait a bit and they will quote you on some website Big grin

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User currently offlineBanjo76 From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 9):
I hope this will not happen! On what bases? I am sure the media will find something...

Well first one that comes to my mind is:
"with such high number of passengers in a single frame, diversions for medical emergencies will be stastistically more likely, having of course their impact on airlines operating the type".

Of course no analysis with numbers will be made to show how much diversions for medical reasons actually weigh for the airline.

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9091 times:
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Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 10):
Well first one that comes to my mind is:
"with such high number of passengers in a single frame, diversions for medical emergencies will be stastistically more likely, having of course their impact on airlines operating the type".

Well, this is of course not 100% wrong. The more passenger on board the higher the risk that someone gets sick...

Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 10):
Of course no analysis with numbers will be made to show how much diversions for medical reasons actually weigh for the airline.

That is the problem. No real facts, just some statments made without any proof.

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User currently onlinePart147 From Ireland, joined Dec 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9054 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 10):
Of course no analysis with numbers will be made to show how much diversions for medical reasons actually weigh for the airline.

Is that really newsworthy though?

People get sick, people die, people have accidents on and flying over the planet all the time - that's just life... and those who want to spend there lives twisting one person's misfortune into their own agenda, in my opinion, has a rather pitiful life themselves  Wink

Sure it wasn't that long ago that a person died on a Ryanair flight and they were attacked too...
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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7234 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9013 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 4):
A6-EDE is still on the ground awaiting a new crew from SYD, ETD is around 1400-1430.

Question concerning crews "timing out" on diversions, has any airline or regulatory body attempted to amend wording or regulations which would allow a/c to continue? Medical diversions will always occur and in a lot of cases, the crew and a/c handlers at home or station bases will not be able to divert to airports "convenient" to the airline, even if the time on the ground is minimized to say one hour as the pax are usually not treated on board, but immediately off loaded by medical personnel, minimizing the time on the ground should help unless the unscheduled landing is a hard additional cycle in which case the time on the ground becomes irrelevant?


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9002 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 13):
Question concerning crews "timing out" on diversions, has any airline or regulatory body attempted to amend wording or regulations which would allow a/c to continue?

That the crew is "timing out" can happen on long haul flights. Usually on pretty long flights you have at least 3 pilots and then you have a pretty long possible flight duty time. But there are laws which don't allow to extend beyong a specific point and medical diversions doesn't make any difference there. 20 hours of flight duty time is long and everybody will be tired then, having a break or not. And it doesn't make any change if you are delayed prior departure or if you have to land somewhere in between due to medical, max duty time is max duty time.

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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7234 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8991 times:



Quoting Banjo76 (Reply 10):
Well first one that comes to my mind is:
"with such high number of passengers in a single frame, diversions for medical emergencies will be stastistically more likely, having of course their impact on airlines operating the type".

Of course no analysis with numbers will be made to show how much diversions for medical reasons actually weigh for the airline.

Banjo



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
That is the problem. No real facts, just some statments made without any proof.

wilco737

The issue was first raised durig the A380 design and delay into service and it still holds, unfortunately, rather than being dispassionate about it "fan boys" took over and legitimate discussion died. The a/c has not been in service long enough but statistics for a year to year basis by each airline operating the type will have to suffice, as it will be a larger cost simply based on the size of the a/c and number of pax on board. Questions related to that would be if airports waive landing fees for a/c diversions, Captain issue a company credit card to pay for fuel, nearest home / station base will probably be responsible for arranging pax accomodation, etc.


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8967 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
as it will be a larger cost simply based on the size of the a/c and number of pax on board.

Exactly. Being stranded with a full 380 is more expensive than a small 737 somewhere on a short haul flight. Putting 500 passengers in hotels or something like that isn't cheap.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
Questions related to that would be if airports waive landing fees for a/c diversions, Captain issue a company credit card to pay for fuel, nearest home / station base will probably be responsible for arranging pax accomodation, etc.

Aren't the landing fees dependable on the weight? Not the actual weight at that landing, but a general fee for each airplane and each airline. And there aren't too many airports out there which can handle an A380 as good as a 737. Even the tow bar can be a problem. So find a parking stand where you can leave on your own.
A diversion can mean a lot of operational difficulties (I went through that 3 times so far and it is always a very busy time when reached a parking stand until you can finally take off again.)

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User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8951 times:

Did anybody think yet of an "onboard doctor", who could treat many diseases without the need of a diversion (maybe with help of a satellite connection to a hospital).

I mean, EK has also a guy on board only responsible for the cleaning of the showers and being otherwiese dead weight Big grin


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8939 times:
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Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 17):
d anybody think yet of an "onboard doctor", who could treat many diseases without the need of a diversion (maybe with help of a satellite connection to a hospital).

Usually you always have a doctor among the passengers. And there is a form which he signs that he cannot be sued for what he is doing there. So it shouldn't be a problem for a doctor to help out.
Having a doctor on board all the time will be really expensive. He needs to be paid, layovers, hotels etc.
The satellite connection can be used anyway. If you have SatPhone on board, otherwise via HF and Stockholm Radio. Then you can call anybody you want to, even your wife  Wink (but expensive).

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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7234 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8908 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 16):
Even the tow bar can be a problem. So find a parking stand where you can leave on your own.
A diversion can mean a lot of operational difficulties (I went through that 3 times so far and it is always a very busy time when reached a parking stand until you can finally take off again.)

wilco737

When I worked for a local airline you even had the issue locating air stairs if the a/c did not have it's own, have to sit and wait until something is found.

Based on the "unique" requirements of this a/c, they may have to do more diversion planning until more a/c are in service and more airports have facilities to handle her.

Yes the landing fees are based on a/c weight and airlines / airport agreement, I dont think that there are any who charge based on number of pax onbaord, just wondered if they were waived or even reduced for medical diversions on humanitarian grounds, airports could make some funds from the "accomodation" of the pax and a/c, food, fuel, cost of handlers which can also be very steep.

Cheers


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8892 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 19):
When I worked for a local airline you even had the issue locating air stairs if the a/c did not have it's own, have to sit and wait until something is found.

Yeah I know. We diverted once with the MD11F and the controller didn't even know what to do with us. he asked us: "Where do you wanna park, do you know how to get fuel etc etc. " he was as lost as we were  laughing 
But slowly it all worked out.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 19):
Yes the landing fees are based on a/c weight and airlines / airport agreement,

Thanks, wasn't 100% sure anymore.

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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10046 posts, RR: 96
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7723 times:
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Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 11):
The more passenger on board the higher the risk that someone gets sick...

But it's always funny how this is seen as an issue for, for example, 450-seat QF A380's, but NEVER for 430-seat EK 773's, which DO fly long-haul.  scratchchin 

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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7691 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 21):
But it's always funny how this is seen as an issue for, for example, 450-seat QF A380's, but NEVER for 430-seat EK 773's, which DO fly long-haul.   

It is there a problem as well, no doubt. The more passengers the higher the risk. I tried to compare short haul and long haul planes. Like 380 (or773) with 737s...

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User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7654 times:



Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 20):
Yeah I know. We diverted once with the MD11F and the controller didn't even know what to do with us. he asked us: "Where do you wanna park, do you know how to get fuel etc etc. " he was as lost as we were laughing
But slowly it all worked out.

At what airport did this happen?



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User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9041 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7605 times:
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Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 23):
At what airport did this happen?

KIAD. They didn't even knew our callsign. Called us: "Lufthansa German Air Cargo - errmm, what is your callsign?"  laughing 

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25 Astuteman : I agree with you. I'll buy you a pint the first time it's EVER mentioned with respect to a 777 in an A-net thread (by someone else of course.. ) Rgds
26 Post contains images WILCO737 : Alright, I will keep an eye on it.  BTW: does anybody has a number how often the A380 had an inflight diversion so far? wilco737[Edited 2009-08-15 1
27 EK773 : I can recall four: 1. EK diverted to MUC 2. SQ diverted to DXB 3. SQ diverted to NGO 4. EK diverted to PER
28 WILCO737 : That's not too much for all the flights they have done so far... wilco737
29 Par13del : I cannot speak for anyone else but an example on this site is when a 747 is replaced by a 777 it is called a downgrade, you automatically know which
30 Post contains links Maxter : You asked and you shall receive... http://www.watoday.com.au/travel/a38...y-perth-landing-20090815-elkr.html Sadly, the headline on the main page sai
31 QANTAS077 : well it was an emergency or it wouldn't have diverted, the plane also had technical issues whilst on the ground.
32 WILCO737 : Well, the title is just strange. Why not saying: "A380 diversion due to sick passenger"... Simple because nobody would read it. The way they put it,
33 Ambanmba : Not a good day for EK or the Airbus A380 today. I was booked on EK412 (SYD-AKL) and when I arrived at the airport I saw two EK A380s (as well as an SQ
34 WILCO737 : Indeed not a good day... Many stranded passengers there. The brakes is something you'd better not mess with How fast will it be repaired? I guess ASA
35 QANTAS077 : well if its as fast as PER then they won't be going anywhere, curfew will beat them.
36 WILCO737 : That sucks for the passengers. Will they be rebooked? Or did that happen already? wilco737
37 Ambanmba : Most of the AKL pax were FIM'ed onto other flights although I overheard some are staying the night (which would be the 2nd night in a row). As for A6
38 WILCO737 : That would make most sense to send them on different flights. I guess they asked for volounteers to stay another night. If you are not in a rush, sta
39 Ambanmba : Looks like they were able to dispatch. According to their web site, EK413 left Sydney 10 minutes late, but the AKL-SYD sector was obviously canceled.
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