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User currently offlineJetplaner From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

With the NFL airline charters being discussed, I was wondering who charters who in the NHL? I am particularly interested in who Tampa Bay charters, as the Sens and Tampa Bay are coming to Regina (YQR) for a pre-season game. I am pretty sure the Senators charter Air Canada, with AC Jetz aircraft, as most Canadian teams probably do. Also, and this may be a little early to ask, but who charters for teams for the World Juniors Hockey? They are in Ottawa in this year, but in Regina/Saskatoon in 2010, so I am assuming the charters would be similar. Do these teams charter planes or do they just take regular commercial service?

-Jetplaner

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15692 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4558 times:

The Blackhawks use a Swift Air 737-400 with sixty some business class seats. Looks like a nice ride.


Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Don't know what they'll do this year, but last year the Senators were on an AC 320 (flt 7047/7048)

and the Lightning were on a Miami Air 738 (flt 695). I would guess they would stay the same

this year although the flight numbers might change.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineCB97 From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

The World Juniors in Ottawa were back in January, most teams flew commercial into Ottawa although it wouldn't surprise me if some took buses from Toronto or Montreal for cost reasons. Since the tournament takes place over a week or two the junior teams don't need the flexibility of a chartered aircraft like an NHL team would, not to mention the cost issue alone would be a deal breaker for most if not all junior teams. You can probably look forward to seeing some flights up-guaged into YXE and YQR and/or some additional frequencies for the tournament this year, although the usual holiday increase might be enough to cover it...

User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

All Canadian NHL teams use AC Jetz. As did the Bruins, Ducks, and the Milwaukee Bucks last year. There are some other basketball teams too but I cant recall them right now.

However, just this in..... AC just lost the Bruins and the Bucks. Apparently it's a cabotage filing filed by ALPA.



Stand-by for new ATIS message......
User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 4):
Apparently it's a cabotage filing filed by ALPA

Which is weird since the Blue Jays still use Miami Air (granted other sport).

N757SS (757-200) will run the Dallas Stars around again since its there plane pretty much. Right now its finishing up the Rangers season. As well as both the DC-9s for the Blue Jackets (  ) and RedWings (  thumbsdown  ) will be up again. Penguins should be using the Miami Air 737-400 in the VIP configuration but I can't remember the flight number.

[Edited 2009-08-15 20:07:04]

User currently offlinePetteri From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

I wonder what the Florida Panthers and Chicago Blackhawks will use on the flights to Finland to start the season. I'm pretty sure the Panthers use Miami Air during the regular season.


The above comments are my personal comments and in no way should be viewed as the views,policy or statements of JetBlue
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3090 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

The Detroit Red Wings have their own ex-TWA DC9.

User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4366 times:



Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 4):
Apparently it's a cabotage filing filed by ALPA

Which is weird since the Blue Jays still use Miami Air (granted other sport).

Not really, now that the Expos are no more, Miami Air isn't flying between 2 Canadian points. Its very possible that on road trips, AC Jetz would be transporting hockey clubs between two or more US destinations without first returning to Canada.


User currently offlineLeftCoaster From Cayman Islands, joined Nov 2007, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

The Vancouver Canucks definitely use an Air Canada Jetz A320. Majority (if not all) of the Canadian teams do.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...da-Jetz/Airbus-A320-211/1200161/M/

The San Jose Sharks use a 737-200 (at least they did last season): http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing-737-291-Adv/1406364/M/


User currently offlineIpodguy7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

The Great Nashville Predators usually use a Miami Air B737. GO PREDS!


Next Trips: DFW-BNA-DFW (x2), BNA-MSP-YWG-MSP-BNA, BNA-ORD-LHR-JTR-HER-CPH-LHR-DFW-BNA
User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4347 times:



Quoting Jbmitt (Reply 8):

Not really, now that the Expos are no more, Miami Air isn't flying between 2 Canadian points. Its very possible that on road trips, AC Jetz would be transporting hockey clubs between two or more US destinations without first returning to Canada.

There is no prohibition on a Canadian carrier carrying a Canadian based sports team on a continuous, multiple stop journey that begins and ends in Canada but which includes consecutive stops in the States. Similarly, there is no prohibition on US carriers carrying US teams on multiple stops trips within Canada, like Boston-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Boston. That is not at issue. What ALPA has taken issue with, successfully, is that AC should not be able to carry US based teams since much of their travel begins and ends from a US city.


User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4319 times:



Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):
What ALPA has taken issue with, successfully, is that AC should not be able to carry US based teams since much of their travel begins and ends from a US city.

Which again ties into my point about Miami Air and the blue Jays.


User currently offlineAviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4236 times:



Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 4):
Ducks

I do believe last season the Ducks used NW equipment for charters and the season before that they were on DL 738. I think its a little early to know what airlines teams are using this season, aside from the teams that own/operate their own.

I know DL does like doing charters though, as it makes more revenue that regular flights. But thats probably true for all airlines.


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

The Philadelphia Flyers use a Northwest A319.
The New York Islanders use a Miami Air 737.

[Edited 2009-08-16 03:07:17]

User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4203 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 5):
Which is weird since the Blue Jays still use Miami Air (granted other sport).

When did they stop using Starjet?


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4179 times:



Quoting Petteri (Reply 6):
I wonder what the Florida Panthers and Chicago Blackhawks will use on the flights to finland to start the season. I'm pretty sure the Panthers use Miami Air during the regular season.

Hi, probably Open Skies (Scandinavian Aviation reply 113):

Scandinavian Aviation #2 2009 (by Someone83 Apr 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4385766&searchid=4517150&s=finland#ID4517150


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

The Penguins still dart around in a Miami Air 737-400.


Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4139 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 5):
N757SS (757-200) will run the Dallas Stars around again since its there plane pretty much

Dallas Stars and Texas Rangers have the same owner, Tom Hicks, and he owns the aircraft. If it is in town, you can regularly see it parked on the northeast side of Love Field, easily visible from Northwest Highway as you are driving past Bachman Lake.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4080 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

Which airline did the Bruins choose over AC? Delta?

For the teams that have their own plane, is it a cost-neutral thing or does it cost more than using an airline? With all the planes sitting in Arizona and NM boneyards, I'm sure there are a bunch of A320s sitting around.


User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4073 times:



Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):

There is no prohibition on a Canadian carrier carrying a Canadian based sports team on a continuous, multiple stop journey that begins and ends in Canada but which includes consecutive stops in the States. Similarly, there is no prohibition on US carriers carrying US teams on multiple stops trips within Canada, like Boston-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Boston. That is not at issue. What ALPA has taken issue with, successfully, is that AC should not be able to carry US based teams since much of their travel begins and ends from a US city.



Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 4):
However, just this in..... AC just lost the Bruins and the Bucks. Apparently it's a cabotage filing filed by ALPA.

@ Sebring

Thanks for the explanation. Is the issue truly cabotage? My understanding is that cabotage is transport between 2 points in the same country. It seems like ALPA is more concerned about an international carrier operating domestically, even on an ad-hoc basis.


User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

I am not sure where cabotage fits in the charter world. Sebring, what you say makes sense.

The jays have never used AC. The raps did until AC kicked them off after they ruined a 320.



Stand-by for new ATIS message......
User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1981 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 21):
The raps did until AC kicked them off after they ruined a 320.

What are the details with this one? Who do they use now?



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3962 times:



Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 4):
As did the Bruins, Ducks, and the Milwaukee Bucks last year

The Ducks used the NW A319 VIP aircraft.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 7):
The Detroit Red Wings have their own ex-TWA DC9.

Redwings and Tigers share an aircraft, but if one of the teams is in the playoffs or their is a confilict which usually only happens when the Red Wings go to the playoffs since the Tigers have not gone anytime recently the team that is less "important" at the time uses NW A319 VIP.

Quoting Aviationbuff08 (Reply 13):
I do believe last season the Ducks used NW equipment for charters and the season before that they were on DL 738

Correct.

NW picked up a couple more NHL teams this year, someone said they lost the ducks (it was one year deal anyway) but that is yet to be seen. NW will now do nearly all the NBA flying.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Ooops you're right. But the Ducks signed with AC THIS year, my bad. I guess that agreement is probably in jeopardy with this cabotage thing-a-ma-jobber.


Stand-by for new ATIS message......
25 Sebring : They are still a Jetz customer. I don't know if a previous version of the Raptors "ruined" a plane, but I have a hard time imagining even the most ra
26 SixtySeven : The airplane was off the line for 3 days. They were not a customer afterwards. And this was way before Jetz. If you dont think substantial damage can
27 SixtySeven : To clarify, before Jetz, AC flew the Raptors, then stopped after the "incident". The Jays used Sporthawk for a time before it ended. Now I'm not sure
28 Post contains links Jbmitt : http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/040603
29 Post contains links and images Sammyk : New Jersey Devils: View Large View MediumPhoto © Christopher Liao
30 Post contains links N53614 : Hopefully, the San Jose Sharks will be using Sky King again as it's always nice to see a 737-200! (plug plug plug) http://www.airliners.net/photo/Unti
31 Aviationbuff08 : Well they must have gotten a great bargain. With all the Major US Legacy airlines that operate in LA, they sign with AC? That's got to be a logistica
32 AirframeAS : Who does the Colorado Avalanche go with this year? F9?
33 SixtySeven : It sure is. The logistical requirements associated with all AC Jetz charters is huge, and it's a small operation. On the Flight Ops side there is one
34 Post contains links My1le : The Devils plane is actually for sale. According to Executive Controller; http://www.controller.com/listings/a...47/1976-BOEING-727-247/1158061.htm T
35 Post contains links and images Moose135 : Living near FRG, I get to see some of these hockey charters when teams come in to play the Islanders: Blue Jackets DC-9 View Large View MediumPhoto &c
36 Contrails15 : The Islanders should use Greyhound. They don't derserve a plane. You got it, I'm a pissed off Islander fan but if anyone knows who they use It would b
37 DeltaRules : I saw on a hockey forum that the Coyotes will be using chartered US 733s instead of the charter 737s they've used in the past. The CBJ DC-9 is an ex-L
38 SixtySeven : They should walk.
39 Aviationbuff08 : A friend showed me a charter NHL Ducks routing a few years ago. They departed from ONT and returned home into SNA or the other way around.. I think i
40 N1120A : Exactly. It is impossible to commit cabotage with a Blue Jays charter because they don't do any domestic Canadian flying anymore. It is all trans-bor
41 SixtySeven : I am nearly 100% sure it was a BAC-111. It was awhile ago though, late 90's early 2000's. Wierd I know.
42 Post contains links SixtySeven : N682RW, a BAC-111 flew the Red Wings prior to 1999. I just found a pic, here's the short cut. Wild eh? I wonder how many BAC-111's saw service in the
43 Us330 : Why would any professional hockey team use ONT? Staples Center is between LAX and downtown LA. SNA is much closer to the Honda Center (Anaheim is in
44 ChrisNH : Why can any team use a 737-200? Teams are departing cities sometimes well after midnight; isn't the 737-200 a 'non-Stage III' plane that airports disa
45 SixtySeven : Close versus economics is another thing. Curfews, landing fees, cost to extend a curfew.... All of this stuff comes into play. We can all sit here an
46 LongHauler : Interestingly enough is the response by the Canadian Government. They say that using the rules of estoppel, it is hard to enforce the cabotage rules a
47 PhilInBRN : What aircraft is used by the Buffalo Sabres? Did they use Jetz as well?
48 Post contains links 71Zulu : Don't know this year yet but last season they were on Miami Air, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK697
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