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UA New IAD Service?  
User currently offlineFlyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

With the announcements of IB and EI pulling out of IAD, what are the chances of UA restarting a route to Ireland and Spain with their own metal? I know they are already scarce on widebody aircraft but is there any chance they could come up with 2 767's to run the routes? Any thoughts?

Just my 0.02


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24324 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

Well the UA/EI MAD service is still planned for next year having been reconfirmed only a couple weeks ago by EI.

I doubt you'll see UA directly in Ireland as its aircraft configurations are too heavy with premium seats with Ireland being more of a leisure/VFR market.



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9116 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I doubt you'll see UA directly in Ireland as its aircraft configurations are too heavy with premium seats with Ireland being more of a leisure/VFR market.

Maybe this is where CO could come in handy with their european network  Big grin


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8994 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 3):

Maybe this is where CO could come in handy with their european network

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Wait, so Aer Lingus is an express carrier to you? That is offensive. Ireland is a high wage western country, not some outsourcing haven. People who don't like their company making money probably never should have been hired in the first place.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8821 times:



Quoting Flyiguy (Thread starter):
I know they are already scarce on widebody aircraft but is there any chance they could come up with 2 767's to run the routes?



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
I doubt you'll see UA directly in Ireland as its aircraft configurations are too heavy with premium seats with Ireland being more of a leisure/VFR market.

I don't know why UA doesn't try and tred a middle road here. I mean the 767 fleet and the 777 fleet is divided up between proper long haul config and domestic/Hawaii config which is less top heavy. Why not use the domestic/Hawaii config on some developing Trans Atlantic routes? I'm sure UA could come up with some sort of upgrade for first/business to make it somewhat competitive vs other international carriers from IAD. That way it gives them more flexibility than what they've currently got


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8454 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 4):
Wait, so Aer Lingus is an express carrier to you? That is offensive. Ireland is a high wage western country, not some outsourcing haven. People who don't like their company making money probably never should have been hired in the first place.

Haha chill out - that's not what was implied. EI doesn't fill the front of the aircraft, and never has out of IAD. The route didn't do that well to begin with but the Y sales far outweighed the J sales so the idea would be use a higher capacity aircraft to test the route - if they wanted.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

UA started to realize a few years ago that IAD is a valuable hub for international european services. Right now UA has a pretty diverse network out of Dulles. If they continue to expand to europe with 763s and 777s I would consider maybe BCN or LIS a few times a week. Then again, CO has these destinations covered from EWR with 757s.

What UA really needs to work on is their domestic network out of IAD. They have six some regional carriers operating for them and a small amount of mainline flights. They should look into new markets for mainline ops.



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8153 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
What UA really needs to work on is their domestic network out of IAD. They have six some regional carriers operating for them and a small amount of mainline flights. They should look into new markets for mainline ops.

Good point, I think this is what CO realized about 10 years ago at EWR, I think UA might want to do something similar at IAD.


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 658 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8127 times:



Quoting Flyiguy (Thread starter):
what are the chances of UA restarting a route to Ireland and Spain with their own metal?

I would say slim to none. Both countries tend to be more lower-yielding tourist/VFR destinations.

As far as further UA European expansion, UA has remained committed to offering a consistent transoceanic 3-class international product. Because only larger cities with larger business communities are able to support such service, I doubt we'll see UA in some of the smaller European cities that other airlines like CO and DL have gone after.

I'm curious to see what happens with this joint EI/UA venture to MAD. Definitely an out-of-left-field kind of idea.

There really aren't any 767 or 777s available and there are concerns that UA's 757s would not be able to reach many continental European cities from their IAD hub, which is further away than JFK or BOS (I'm not familiar with all the technicality re: range/engine ratings/etc, so don't flame me!)



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8002 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
If they continue to expand to europe with 763s and 777s I would consider maybe BCN or LIS a few times a week. Then again, CO has these destinations covered from EWR with 757s.

BCN yes LIS no way LIS only works from EWR, BOS year round. I don't know how US makes out with their PHL-LIS, but I'm assuming they cater to all the former Iron Bound residents who have migrated to South Jersey (particularly Ocean and Atlantic Counties) over the years.

UA needs to find some ETOPS 757s (up grade the certificates on some existing 757s) with a two class International configuration, there's plenty of opportunities to exploit from IAD with a 757 such as;

IAD-
BCN- DUB- GLA- EDI- MAN- MAD



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7728 times:



Quoting Flyiguy (Thread starter):
I know they are already scarce on widebody aircraft but is there any chance they could come up with 2 767's to run the routes?

- What about pulling a few 744s out of the desert, putting them back to work? Or would the load numbers not require a 744 but just a 767? What about a 777?



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User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7728 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
LIS no way LIS only works from EWR, BOS year round. I don't know how US makes out with their PHL-LIS, but I'm assuming they cater to all the former Iron Bound residents who have migrated to South Jersey (particularly Ocean and Atlantic Counties) over the years.

It's the Verdianos. They're everywhere these days -- a huge diaspora from such a small place.

Anyway TAP joined Star Alliance in 2005 and TAM is up for membership in 2010.
So, Dulles would connect all the Lusophones with service
to -- say -- LIS and BSB.

Maybe even an 757 or two to RAI or SID.

 crossfingers 


User currently offlineNomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

IAD can get more service, but it would be at the expense of SFO, DEN, ORD, or LAX.

User currently offlineFlylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7464 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
UA needs to find some ETOPS 757s (up grade the certificates on some existing 757s) with a two class International configuration, there's plenty of opportunities to exploit from IAD with a 757 such as;

I was going to ask if their 757s had the legs for these routes. With Iberia pulling out of IAD it sounds like there is an opportunity here.

Side question: didn't UA put winglets on a few 757s?



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7432 times:



Quoting Flylku (Reply 14):

Yes they did


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

I always thought UA might be able to pull off IAD-WAW service. Although the bulk of the Polish community is in Chicago which is served by LOT (which also serves JFK), I'd think IAD might be able to pull enough connections, especially as Warsaw is a Star city. Beside, I think no other US airline serves the city.

User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7332 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
UA needs to find some ETOPS 757s (up grade the certificates on some existing 757s) with a two class International configuration, there's plenty of opportunities to exploit from IAD with a 757 such as;

IAD-
BCN- DUB- GLA- EDI- MAN- MAD

Why do all the work when they can use CO's a/c very shortly? These two CO's are really lining things up to merge. ATI, IT infrastructure, airport infrastructure. Maybe that's why Larry decided to leave - he might have been against the merger and the rest of the folks weren't. haha.

Seriously, w/CO in Star, it would not make sense for most of this. MAD has not worked for IAD for many carriers and would not work for UA either (Spanair anyone?). Most of those other cities have plenty of service via EWR and competing airports (JFK, PHL, etc.) and there is no need for any more TATL route capacity or RASM erosion. If IAD was that great for LIS, don't you think TAP would have moved their from EWR by now?


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7119 times:



Quoting Nomorerjs (Reply 13):
IAD can get more service, but it would be at the expense of SFO, DEN, ORD, or LAX.

Why? Fleet size?


User currently offlineUal777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1519 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6929 times:



Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 18):

Why? Fleet size?

UA doesn't have enough aircraft to expand IAD. I think they could do much better in some of their markets in terms of aircraft size but they love the damn CRJ-700s too much.

They also want ALPA to give up scope for 90 seat RJs but that will NEVER happen. I think the pilots at UA would strike first.



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User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6794 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
UA needs to find some ETOPS 757s (up grade the certificates on some existing 757s) with a two class International configuration, there's plenty of opportunities to exploit from IAD with a 757 such as;

For the umpteenth time, UA doesn't have any interest in 757's Trans-Atlantic....


User currently offlineEraugrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6745 times:



Quoting Ual777 (Reply 19):
UA doesn't have enough aircraft to expand IAD. I think they could do much better in some of their markets in terms of aircraft size but they love the damn CRJ-700s too much.

They also want ALPA to give up scope for 90 seat RJs but that will NEVER happen. I think the pilots at UA would strike first.

I think hats why they were in talks with air whisky. The can fly up to 88 seats with UA. It's my understanding they want 2-class crj-1000/-900's which they can fly for UA. Anyone know what happened with those talks???

Desmond in ILM,



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User currently offlineFlyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6553 times:



Quoting Eraugrad02 (Reply 21):
I think hats why they were in talks with air whisky. The can fly up to 88 seats with UA. It's my understanding they want 2-class crj-1000/-900's which they can fly for UA. Anyone know what happened with those talks???

That was only for the 146's and only those aircraft...It's in the contract of specifice aircraft and tail numbers so if they want to do that they will need to un-retire them...



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User currently offlineFlyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

There is also the fact that United will be adding a tag on to BRU from LHR...If thats true then why BRU when it's aready served directly from IAD, why not add a new destination where passengers can connect to it in LHR...Say MAD, BCN, or LIS. With open skies in europe anything is possible now adays...

Just My 0.02



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

UA could do IAD-DUB with a 763, but I wouldn't expect much in F/J.

Quoting DC8FanJet (Reply 20):

For the umpteenth time, UA doesn't have any interest in 757's Trans-Atlantic....

Thank god...



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25 UAL777 : AWAC can fly up to eighteen 85 seat RJs for United. However, the for the guys at UA it is a "burn down the house" issue and should be. Soon there wil
26 FUN2FLY : UA does this when times are tough. Used to be direct, now one stop. Same thing happened after 9-11. Fun taking a 40 min ride in a 777 w/ 40 people on
27 MasseyBrown : Why convert the cabin, which is very expensive? They might sell domestic F internationally as a "premium economy" class at some fare level well above
28 Panova98 : Are there any stats on the percent split of orginating vs. connecting UA pax at IAD? If so, how do the percents compare with UA's operations at ORD, D
29 Ytib : That would require opening a new station for a few months. UA has done this in the past with AMS for a few months to keep their LHR slots. BRU non-st
30 Ualcsr : Do you mean non-stop rather than direct? The IAD-BRU non-stop service is not disappearing; the tag is additional service to BRU.
31 Sydscott : I think the issue would be that for a place like MAD, UA would have some premium pax for the pointy end from IAD given their market position but thes
32 ExFATboy : Aer Lingus has repositioned themselves as somewhere between a traditional full-service carrier and an LCC (at least by the American definition of "LC
33 Abrelosojos : Isn't UAL starting IAD - IST soon? Saludos, A.
34 Flighty : Sorry, I was replying to a ridiculous post that was deleted by the user, or by the mods. The person said UA outsourcing to EI was an offense to UA wo
35 Post contains links and images Tallguy14 : Nobody's really mentioned the Flight Crew issue. Just to recap, the IADMAD route will be flown with Aer Lingus A330s, but it will NOT be flown by Unit
36 LatinAviation : I've also heard that EI posted the CA / FO position within EI to transfer to IAD. Curious what they'll do about the cabin crew, though. If they'll be
37 DCAJet : Have not heard anything about it either from United or in the media. Rds,
38 FlyIGuy : United is announcing IAD - MAD service starting on March 28 2010. They have a one-way special fare of $199.00 each way. Flight 4963 A330-200 Departs I
39 LACA773 : Is it just the cockpit crew that will be flown with EI crew and the cabin crew with UA personnel? Or a mix of UA/EI crew in the cabin? How's EI soft p
40 FlyIGuy : From what I understand, EI will be doing the flight ops and cabin crew and UA will be doing the customer service and ramp ops. But things can change b
41 MasseyBrown : That would be quite a trick. With a UA cabin crew, how many pax would never realize they were on an Aer Lingus plane? It seems as if everything has b
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