GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13867 times:
A Royal Air Maroc 767 (CN-RNT) which suffered a cracked and buckled fuselage and severe gear damage after landing nose-first in April has undergone an impressive on-site repair job at JFK. She is nearly ready to fly again after an estimated $11 million-worth of fixes from Boeing and Delta Tech Ops.
Connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13733 times:
IIRC, Skyservice had a similar incident with a 767-300 (? - maybe an A332 ?) down in the Caribbean a few years ago. Plane was fixed up and returned to service after a few months.
Airman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 969 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13345 times:
Yup Skyservice did have the exact thing happen to it. Not a 332, Dont' have any of those in our fleet. 767 C-GLMC I think we have the 767 program about 2-3 weeks?? sorry memory of it not soo good, as I avoided these planes and never flew on them the entire time we had them. anyway it is now back in service with Thomas Cook, Re REGED. G-TCXA is one of them the other 767 we had C-GJJC also is re Reged.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2395 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13282 times:
Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.
It is not the first time this happens to a B763, so why question the reliability of the repairs if Boeing helped with the repairs??
A B767-3P6 from Lloyd Aereo Boliviano had a hard landing (nose-first) 4 or 5 years ago and suffered a large crack that ran across the upper fuselage section. The aircraft was repaired and now flies with Mexicana as XA-MXE.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 5, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13123 times:
There was an episode on "World's Toughest Fixes" on NatGo channel not long ago of the Boeing team replacing the aft pressure bulkhead on a B-767-300ER. IIRC the repair was on a mid-eastern airliner, don't recall the airline, and was completed at CDG. That airplane had been pushed back into a blast fence that penetrated the aft fuselage and then through the pressure bulkhead. Apparently Boeing has one or two repair teams that go around the world doing major damage repairs on Boeing airliners.
They have also repaired at least one USAF C-17, with major damage from a gear up landing somewhere in Afghanistan. I believe that airplane was reapired enough to just fly it back to the US for completion of the repairs.
Does EADS/Airbus have similar repair teams like that?
Flpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2119 posts, RR: 33 Reply 6, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13040 times:
Hi,
I saw that episode, amazing.
It was an Air Seychelles 763 ... I know someone (a spotter) who was on that flight ... it was not a good experience for him.
Qantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1252 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12805 times:
Quoting Rojo (Reply 4): Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.
I guess they would refuse to get on any DL plane then? i dont think so... Fact is the plane has been doing all major checks/overhaul with DL in ATL along with the other 763s in the fleet for years.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12776 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): Does EADS/Airbus have similar repair teams like that?
I don't know about EADS/Airbus but Lockheed had the "Airborne Lockheed Emergency Repair Team" (ALERT) that repaired several bent/broken L-1011's. Similar services were/are offered by many overhaul/repair facilities and airlines.
Trigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12768 times:
Quoting Rojo (Reply 4): Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.
Not sure if he is actually quoting someone, but he may just be trying to put out a fire before it starts. A little preemptive action on his part I think. It is not aluminum Boeing has a problem with, just CFRP.
GothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12431 times:
I'd love to know why the crew never thought it would be prudent to tell anyone about the hard landing, and of course what caused the plane to land that way. The NTSB is investigating, can't wait to read their final report.
Gonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1674 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10781 times:
Thank you for the info Matthew, glad to see another one escape from my "Gone For Ever" list.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5): There was an episode on "World's Toughest Fixes" on NatGo channel not long ago of the Boeing team replacing the aft pressure bulkhead on a B-767-300ER.
Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world. Probably they were in that TV show.
I don't know about Airbus having a similar team, but sounds logical if you think their aircraft fly all over the world and sometimes is better to fix in the same place of the mishap. There are some separate companies like Aeroframe doing jobs around but I'm not sure about the capability to major works. Here's the link to the site if you want to check.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10612 times:
It was an Air Seychelles 763 ... I know someone (a spotter) who was on that flight ... it was not a good experience for him.
Thanks, I could remember the airline.
Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 11): Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world. Probably they were in that TV show.
I don't know about Airbus having a similar team, but sounds logical if you think their aircraft fly all over the world and sometimes is better to fix in the same place of the mishap. There are some separate companies like Aeroframe doing jobs around but I'm not sure about the capability to major works. Here's the link to the site if you want to check.
Thanks. My guess is the EADS/Airbus does have something similar to the Boeing AOG teams. Yes, they have airplanes all over the world, too, and thiers are just as likely to have something happen that needs a major repair, too.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14325 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10387 times:
Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 11): Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world
That is the people who did it. I read an article about them a while back. They are mostly very experienced people from the assembly line. Sounds like a fun job.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
EcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9532 times:
Are the pilots in question still employed by RAM?
I mean the reason for the rough landing is under investigation, impossible to say anything about that just yet. Sh#t happens to the best after all. But not reporting possible damage is jeopardizing the safety of the aircraft & all people on board the next flight and future flights!!!
In my industry we are drilled to report any incident / accident / near miss to prevent further damage and to learn a lesson from whatever happened.
I appreciate the captain not being aware of the extend of the damage but he should at least have called for a thorough inspection of "his" aircraft after such an unusual tough touch down! Agree???
Hats off to the next 1st Officer on shift............shows you that routine checks are there for a reason!!
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3250 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9532 times:
That "after" photo looks completely fake. I'm not saying it is, it could just be a trick of the light, but it looks like a total copy/paste. I thought it was intended as an "artist's rendering" until I read the caption.
Does anyone else have other pictures of the "after"?
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Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
I must ask, after all the repairs made on site, which airframe is considered most surviable by the A&P guys?
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
Max Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3289 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8608 times:
Alitalia did the same thing with a 763 in Ewr a few years ago. It was repaired on site.
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
Moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2009 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8475 times:
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 17): That "after" photo looks completely fake. I'm not saying it is, it could just be a trick of the light, but it looks like a total copy/paste. I thought it was intended as an "artist's rendering" until I read the caption.
I know the photographer well - it absolutely is a real photo.
Mmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 526 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5718 times:
iirc;
when the RAM 767 happened...it was during CAT-I/II weather, with rough winds and downfall...
N471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Sadly Airbus and the insurance company let the Iberia 346 be scrapped at Quito---it was repairable but "out of the way"
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3250 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4148 times:
Quoting Moose135 (Reply 20): I know the photographer well - it absolutely is a real photo.
Which is why I said "I'm not saying it is fake", and asked if anyone had other photos. Why would I ask for other photos if I thought it was fake? Other photos of what, in that case?
I think you misunderstood the point of my post.
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Cvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 600 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
I saw the worlds toughest fixes on the aft pressure bulkhead replacement on the 763. Maybe we'll get lucky again and they sent Riley and the crew to help fix this one.
25 Allegro: Me too .. it was an AWESOME show for airplane lovers ... one full hour of airplane goodnes You can watch clips of the show on the Nat Geo website. Th
26 Flyingwaeldar: I guess that decision was made between Iberia and their insurance company. Probably Airbus' only involvement was a check of the aircraft and a repair
27 MilesDependent: Great article about life as a Boeing Repairman: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...p?channel=om&id=news/omcvr808q.xml
28 KC135TopBoom: That would have been a very expensive repair. My guess is the estimated repairs costs from Airbus exceeded what the insurance wanted to pay and the s
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Fact is the plane has been doing all major checks/overhaul with DL in ATL along with the other 763s in the fleet for years.
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