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Crippled RAM 767 Repaired After Hard Landing @ JFK  
User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 15304 times:

A Royal Air Maroc 767 (CN-RNT) which suffered a cracked and buckled fuselage and severe gear damage after landing nose-first in April has undergone an impressive on-site repair job at JFK. She is nearly ready to fly again after an estimated $11 million-worth of fixes from Boeing and Delta Tech Ops.

Before and After Photos:  arrow  Four Months After Hard Landing at JFK, Crippled RAM 767 Nearly Repaired

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User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 15230 times:

Thats a scary read, thank god it never god airborne again after that!

User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 15170 times:

IIRC, Skyservice had a similar incident with a 767-300 (? - maybe an A332 ?) down in the Caribbean a few years ago. Plane was fixed up and returned to service after a few months.


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User currently offlineAirman99o From Canada, joined Aug 1999, 980 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 14782 times:

Yup Skyservice did have the exact thing happen to it. Not a 332, Dont' have any of those in our fleet. 767 C-GLMC I think we have the 767 program about 2-3 weeks?? sorry memory of it not soo good, as I avoided these planes and never flew on them the entire time we had them. anyway it is now back in service with Thomas Cook, Re REGED. G-TCXA is one of them the other 767 we had C-GJJC also is re Reged.


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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2482 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14719 times:

Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.

It is not the first time this happens to a B763, so why question the reliability of the repairs if Boeing helped with the repairs??

A B767-3P6 from Lloyd Aereo Boliviano had a hard landing (nose-first) 4 or 5 years ago and suffered a large crack that ran across the upper fuselage section. The aircraft was repaired and now flies with Mexicana as XA-MXE.


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14560 times:

There was an episode on "World's Toughest Fixes" on NatGo channel not long ago of the Boeing team replacing the aft pressure bulkhead on a B-767-300ER. IIRC the repair was on a mid-eastern airliner, don't recall the airline, and was completed at CDG. That airplane had been pushed back into a blast fence that penetrated the aft fuselage and then through the pressure bulkhead. Apparently Boeing has one or two repair teams that go around the world doing major damage repairs on Boeing airliners.

They have also repaired at least one USAF C-17, with major damage from a gear up landing somewhere in Afghanistan. I believe that airplane was reapired enough to just fly it back to the US for completion of the repairs.

Does EADS/Airbus have similar repair teams like that?


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14477 times:

Hi,

I saw that episode, amazing.

It was an Air Seychelles 763 ... I know someone (a spotter) who was on that flight ... it was not a good experience for him.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):




Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14242 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.

I guess they would refuse to get on any DL plane then? i dont think so... Wink Fact is the plane has been doing all major checks/overhaul with DL in ATL along with the other 763s in the fleet for years.

Leo  Smile



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14213 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Does EADS/Airbus have similar repair teams like that?

I don't know about EADS/Airbus but Lockheed had the "Airborne Lockheed Emergency Repair Team" (ALERT) that repaired several bent/broken L-1011's. Similar services were/are offered by many overhaul/repair facilities and airlines.


User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14205 times:



Quoting Rojo (Reply 4):
Some question the reliability of the repairs but having interacted with many professionals from the Boeing Company I’d would gladly buy a seat on this bird.

Not sure if he is actually quoting someone, but he may just be trying to put out a fire before it starts. A little preemptive action on his part I think. It is not aluminum Boeing has a problem with, just CFRP.  duck 


User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 13868 times:

I'd love to know why the crew never thought it would be prudent to tell anyone about the hard landing, and of course what caused the plane to land that way. The NTSB is investigating, can't wait to read their final report.

User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12218 times:

Thank you for the info Matthew, glad to see another one escape from my "Gone For Ever" list.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
There was an episode on "World's Toughest Fixes" on NatGo channel not long ago of the Boeing team replacing the aft pressure bulkhead on a B-767-300ER.

Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world. Probably they were in that TV show.
I don't know about Airbus having a similar team, but sounds logical if you think their aircraft fly all over the world and sometimes is better to fix in the same place of the mishap. There are some separate companies like Aeroframe doing jobs around but I'm not sure about the capability to major works. Here's the link to the site if you want to check.

http://www.airepairs.com/services/index.cfm

Saludos
G.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12181 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12049 times:



Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 6):
I saw that episode, amazing.

It was an Air Seychelles 763 ... I know someone (a spotter) who was on that flight ... it was not a good experience for him.

Thanks, I could remember the airline.

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 11):
Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world. Probably they were in that TV show.
I don't know about Airbus having a similar team, but sounds logical if you think their aircraft fly all over the world and sometimes is better to fix in the same place of the mishap. There are some separate companies like Aeroframe doing jobs around but I'm not sure about the capability to major works. Here's the link to the site if you want to check.

Thanks. My guess is the EADS/Airbus does have something similar to the Boeing AOG teams. Yes, they have airplanes all over the world, too, and thiers are just as likely to have something happen that needs a major repair, too.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11824 times:



Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 11):
Boeing Company has a AOG Team ( Aircraft On Ground ), who made repairs of different extension around the world

That is the people who did it. I read an article about them a while back. They are mostly very experienced people from the assembly line. Sounds like a fun job.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11605 times:
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IIRC same kind of hard landing happened to an Air Ivoire A321 more than a year ago: Insurrance company declared the frame as writen-off.


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User currently offlineBluemoonUK From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11217 times:

Which team patched up the Emirates A345 at Melbourne for its return to Toulouse?
Bluemoon


User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

Are the pilots in question still employed by RAM?
I mean the reason for the rough landing is under investigation, impossible to say anything about that just yet. Sh#t happens to the best after all. But not reporting possible damage is jeopardizing the safety of the aircraft & all people on board the next flight and future flights!!!

In my industry we are drilled to report any incident / accident / near miss to prevent further damage and to learn a lesson from whatever happened.
I appreciate the captain not being aware of the extend of the damage but he should at least have called for a thorough inspection of "his" aircraft after such an unusual tough touch down! Agree???

Hats off to the next 1st Officer on shift............shows you that routine checks are there for a reason!!

EcuadorianMD11


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3671 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10969 times:

That "after" photo looks completely fake. I'm not saying it is, it could just be a trick of the light, but it looks like a total copy/paste. I thought it was intended as an "artist's rendering" until I read the caption.

Does anyone else have other pictures of the "after"?



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

I must ask, after all the repairs made on site, which airframe is considered most surviable by the A&P guys?


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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4780 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Alitalia did the same thing with a 763 in Ewr a few years ago. It was repaired on site.


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User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9912 times:



Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 17):
That "after" photo looks completely fake. I'm not saying it is, it could just be a trick of the light, but it looks like a total copy/paste. I thought it was intended as an "artist's rendering" until I read the caption.

I know the photographer well - it absolutely is a real photo.



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User currently offlineMmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

iirc;

when the RAM 767 happened...it was during CAT-I/II weather, with rough winds and downfall...



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User currently offlineN471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5917 times:
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Sadly Airbus and the insurance company let the Iberia 346 be scrapped at Quito---it was repairable but "out of the way"

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3671 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5585 times:



Quoting Moose135 (Reply 20):
I know the photographer well - it absolutely is a real photo.

Which is why I said "I'm not saying it is fake", and asked if anyone had other photos. Why would I ask for other photos if I thought it was fake? Other photos of what, in that case?

I think you misunderstood the point of my post.



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User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5525 times:
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I saw the worlds toughest fixes on the aft pressure bulkhead replacement on the 763. Maybe we'll get lucky again and they sent Riley and the crew to help fix this one.

25 Allegro : Me too .. it was an AWESOME show for airplane lovers ... one full hour of airplane goodnes You can watch clips of the show on the Nat Geo website. Th
26 Flyingwaeldar : I guess that decision was made between Iberia and their insurance company. Probably Airbus' only involvement was a check of the aircraft and a repair
27 Post contains links MilesDependent : Great article about life as a Boeing Repairman: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...p?channel=om&id=news/omcvr808q.xml
28 KC135TopBoom : That would have been a very expensive repair. My guess is the estimated repairs costs from Airbus exceeded what the insurance wanted to pay and the s
29 Post contains links N14AZ : Scrapped: http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,37039 http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,44350 http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/pic
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