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Why Do QR's 777s Have No First Class?  
User currently offlineThegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Quick question:

Why do Qatar Airways' 777s (both of -300ER and -200LR variants) have no First Class? It would seem like there should be demand for FC on the routes they serve (JFK, IAD and IAH etc.)

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4358 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

I would have expected first class on the 200LR, while the 300ER have more VFR, holiday and worker flight routes like to India, BKK.
But First class is doing badly anyway since a year or two, so I guess they switched the configuration of the new 200LRs quickly after they saw the economic development and that first class is not the money maker it used to be.



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User currently offlineGr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

I read somewhere (and I think it was a Qatari newspaper) that they used to fly 3-class planes to JFK (A340?) but because of low First class demand they switched to 2-class.

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

of course the First Class is superiour, but the Business Class is very good too so especially during the economic downturn the people are still ok with Business as only the richest can afford First Class tickets these days.
Etihad also has no First Class on their 77W, but they has them on the other types.
These aircrafts are mainly used to Asia with high loads in Economy Class.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7303 times:



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 1):
But First class is doing badly anyway since a year or two, so I guess they switched the configuration of the new 200LRs quickly after they saw the economic development and that first class is not the money maker it used to be.

It seems a strange decision to me that QR will not offer F class on its B777s while it continues to offer F class on much shorter flights within the region !

I would have thought that it is essential that any leading airline in the Gulf?Middle East region offer First Class. This especially applies to those routes served by the B777s because they are prestigious and/or of long sectors.

For example, the B777s fly from Doha to Houston, New York, London Heathrow and they will serve Melbourne later this year.

First class may not be popular in N Europe but in the Gulf/Middle East region there are very rich travellers who would consider nothing less than F class. If their airline were not to offer F class, these wealthy folk would either switch to another carrier or else charter their own plane.

Look at the size of the F class cabins on flights operated by KU and SV. Some of these airlines' wide-bodied planes accommodate almost as many F class passengers as they do J class passengers.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7295 times:

First, there are quite a few airlines out there who are not offering First Class on long haul flights, so this isn't too out of the ordinary. But there are a number of reasons that could play in why QR does not offer it on the 777s.

First there is the economy. Can people really justify the extra cost over what is already a sufficient business class product?

Second is weight. These planes fly some of the longest routes in the system and first class seats are heavy. The added weight may not be offset by the premium in fare over J class.

Third (this is part of why some American carriers dropped F) is that not having first class allows for a far better J product without risking cannibalizing one's business.

Honestly though, I don't know which, if any, of these reasons play into why QR only offers J on the 777s.



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User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 833 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

QR used to operate F class to EWR before they dropped it aswell as to IAD on the A346.However since there was no demand, they simply dropped it.
777 is not configured with a F class cabin, however some of the 330s are.They do operate F class to those routes that justify it , like MUC, FRA,LHR ,CDG and some asian destinations.I think HKG,SIN..etc.
However all intra GCC flights are operated with F class and Y class only. offcourse F class is the usual J class cabin, but on under 2 hours sectors it doesent really matter.
If there was market for F class on some 777 routes, they will introduce it



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User currently offlineThegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Interesting points – thanks for the info everyone!

I still wonder how much of a competitive advantage EK has, for instance, on the routes from the Middle East to the US, with their FC cabin.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6794 times:



Quoting Thegivenone (Reply 7):
I still wonder how much of a competitive advantage EK has, for instance, on the routes from the Middle East to the US, with their FC cabin.

Not just competition from EK. What about EY ?

And then consider the top European carriers with First Class such as BA, AF and LH who entice Gulf travellers to fly to the US via the likes of LHR, CDG and FRA.

Although the European carriers do not fly non-stop they serve many destinations in the US unlike the Gulf-based airlines.


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