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Future Of Star/Skyteam/Oneworld At BOM  
User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

As of today at BOM:

Star - NH (NRT), LH (FRA, MUC), LX (ZRH), TK (IST), MS (CAI), SQ (SIN), SA (JNB), TG (BKK)
Skyteam - DL/NW (ATL, AMS), KQ (NBO), AF (CDG), CO (EWR), KE (ICN)

Fast forward to 2010..

Star - NH (NRT), LH (FRA, MUC), LX (ZRH), TK (IST), MS (CAI), SQ (SIN), SA (JNB), TG (BKK) + CO (EWR), FM (PVG), AI (DXB, FRA, HKG, JED, LHR, NBO, JFK, EWR, KIX, CDG, RUH, NRT, DOH, BAH)
Skyteam - DL/NW (AMS), KQ (NBO), AF (CDG), KE (ICN)

Oneworld is and will be a big and strong player in the BOM market (BA, CX, QF, RJ, AY starting this Oct.) No major changes expected. 9W has strong relations with Oneworld.
Several Mid-East airlines like EK, QR, KU and GF are strong too and offer good connections to USA.

Domestic network is not considered here. With 9W inclining towards OW, Skyteam will have zero domestic presence unless IT joins Skyteam.

The future looks very bleak for Skyteam at BOM. Any comments?

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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3172 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3537 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
The future looks very bleak for Skyteam at BOM. Any comments?

In terms of the future being bleak, the only change for Skyteam is the removal of CO from their ranks. Otherwise they're pretty much the same as of this year.

*A may grow substantially (when AI gets around to joining *A), but that's more of a *A gain than a Skyteam loss.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3448 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
9W has strong relations with Oneworld.



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
With 9W inclining towards SA)">OW

I always find it funny when people post comments about 9W and their 'strong relationship' with SA)">OW

from the 9W website

http://www.jetairways.com/EN/MU/JetPrivilege/Partners.aspx


9W relationship with SA)">OW - SA)">AA CX KA QF total 4 frequent flyer relationships

9W relationship with Skyteam SA)">NW SA)">DL KL AF - total 4 frequent flyer relationships

9W relationship with *A - LH LX SA)">UA TK NH SA OS SN total 8 frequent flyer relationships

could you please explain exactly why you believe that 9W has a 'strong relationship' with SA)">OW ?



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User currently offlineColts001 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3384 times:

If you take India as a whole Star has better connectivity both in terms of destinations as well as number of flights, one world follows next, skyteam has always and will be a marginal player.

User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3375 times:



Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
In terms of the future being bleak, the only change for Skyteam is the removal of CO from their ranks. Otherwise they're pretty much the same as of this year.

Not just CO.
DL is dropping the nonstop to ATL as well.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3367 times:

I dont think Skyteam will Always be marginal. All they need to do is to sweeten the pot for one of the 3 major Indian carriers and maybe add a middle east carrier to the mix and that region will be Well connected by them.


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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1628 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3330 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
Several Mid-East airlines like EK, QR, KU and GF are strong too and offer good connections to USA.

Being that GF doesn't fly to the US anymore, I'd say they offer zero connectivity. KU is marginal at best. I'd take those two out and add in EY who is obviously shaping up to be a strong contender.



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2920 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3322 times:



Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 6):
Being that GF doesn't fly to the US anymore, I'd say they offer zero connectivity.

GF does offer connections via BAH and FRA/LHR to DFW,MIA,ORD,LAX and maybe JFK as well. Their tie - up with AA helps.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Star is strong across India not only because AI might (eventually) join *A but also because of LH SQ and TG
That said one can argue the strongest airline in India is the decidedly non-alliance EK (9W and IT are both FFP partners)



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2920 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3251 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
MS (CAI),

MS flies to KUL as well from BOM.

Quoting DTWLAX (Thread starter):
FM (PVG), AI (DXB, FRA, HKG, JED, LHR, NBO, JFK, EWR, KIX, CDG, RUH, NRT, DOH, BAH)

FM stopped operations to BOM. In your AI list you could add DMM, SIN, AUH, KWI as they operate under AI code and by next year many IC international flights will have AI codes.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 2984 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 5):
I dont think Skyteam will Always be marginal. All they need to do is to sweeten the pot for one of the 3 major Indian carriers and maybe add a middle east carrier to the mix and that region will be Well connected by them.

Are you talking about AI, 9W and IT?
If so, AI is joining Star
9W - We do not know yet. Oneworld is pitching for 9W strongly
IT - Most likely to join Skyteam. But not sure of its financial health. Rumors it may go bankrupt


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
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Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 10):
If so, AI is joining Star
9W - We do not know yet. Oneworld is pitching for 9W strongly
IT - Most likely to join Skyteam. But not sure of its financial health. Rumors it may go bankrupt

IT recently joined the Global Explorer fare - this is sometimes , but not necessarily , a precursor to OW membership ( eg IB joined the global explorer before coming on board and S7 has joined the global explorer fare as well ) . It is interesting the 9W did not join the global explorer , if they were looking seriously at OW then they would have been a more logical carrier to add to this fare .



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4775 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2721 times:

QF isn't getting great loads to/from BOM


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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2920 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2698 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 12):
QF isn't getting great loads to/from BOM

Not a surprise, given they are competing against SQ,9W,AI now and very soon with IT as well all of them having daily flights and SQ having 11 weekly flights.

Also QF is already having a code share with 9W for all its flights to Oz via SIN, so a BOM-SIN-BNE doesn't make much sense IMO.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2596 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 13):
Also QF is already having a code share with 9W for all its flights to Oz via SIN, so a BOM-SIN-BNE doesn't make much sense IMO.

The 9W/QF tie-up works great if you are not in BOM, but QF has been trying to promote its fares in India big-time, but with disasterous PR Australia has been getting in India, pretty much ever since the Sydney Test Match in late 2007 and now the 'Student Attacks' fiasco, can't be helping QF much at all.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting Cricket (Reply 14):
The 9W/QF tie-up works great if you are not in BOM, but QF has been trying to promote its fares in India big-time, but with disasterous PR Australia has been getting in India, pretty much ever since the Sydney Test Match in late 2007 and now the 'Student Attacks' fiasco, can't be helping QF much at all.

hahaha.... love the way you relate QF to the Sydney test match.

I guess SQ is eating into a chunk of QF loads


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