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AA To Increase MIA-LIM  
User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 732 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Effective 2/11/10 AA will add an additional MIA-LIM frequency for 3x daily.

The new flight will operate with a 757

AA2383 MIA - LIM 1800 -2350
AA2384 LIM - MIA 1040-1630

This is a great move! The current 1x 767, 1x 757 flights have been going out jam packed. Too bad we have to wait all the way until February for it to start.

AJMIA


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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

The 757's on this route are going to be A NIGHTMARE for carry on bags...LOL.

Glad to see AA add more frequency to LIM. Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7545 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Great news!

Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 1):
Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...

I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4726 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.

Does a 738 have the legs for DFW-LIM?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4703 times:



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I couldnt figure out why they couldnt make it work from DFW either, but they couldnt. It was a bad preformer.

Does a 738 have the legs for DFW-LIM?

No, but even if it did, that does not solve anything in a trash yield, high-density market.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4660 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.

It's nice to see MIA-PTY 3x daily as well. It looks like only MIA-EZE, MIA-GRU and MIA-LHR will operate all B772 flights for the winter. Plus daily B772 flights on MIA-LAX and MIA-DFW. It doesn't look like the B772 will operate MIA-SCL after all. Also, no extra seasonal nonstop flights between MIA and SCL?


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM. And its a sign the travel market and Peruvian economy are holding up better than others. Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4641 times:



Quoting Anetter123 (Reply 1):
Too bad they discontinued it from DFW years ago...

Yep. I wish that flight would return.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
Great to see AA return to 3x daily. It was 3x daily in the late 1990s.

Mark, you're the expert here. Any info on (a) what was causing such poor performance on DFW-LIM, and (b) if there is any chance of DFW-LIM returning?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
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Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

LA operates MIA-LIM-MIA 9x weekly. LP operates MIA-LIM-MIA 2x weekly and will soon begin LIM-PUJ-MIA 2x weekly, all flights operated with the B763.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4579 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM.

Spirit isn't ending Lima, albeit I notice pretty heavy reductions in frequency in GDS.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 8):
Mark, you're the expert here. Any info on (a) what was causing such poor performance on DFW-LIM, and (b) if there is any chance of DFW-LIM returning?

Virtually no local demand combined with the fact that the little demand that exists to Peru outside the Eastern U.S. is almost all from Los Angeles.

MIA, NYC, WAS and LAX probably account for 80%+ of U.S.-Peru demand.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

Great to see AA adding service to LIM. Adding a second 763 might have been a better choice.

Quoting OP3000 (Reply 7):
This coincides with NK being driven out of FLL-LIM. And its a sign the travel market and Peruvian economy are holding up better than others. Anybody know how AA and LA compete in terms of loads on this route?

Driven out? AA and NK are two different products/clienteles and price points. NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

Peru's economy has "held up" only because it was really cooking when the downturn was starting to be felt in countries around the world. Possibly, Peruvians are traveling more to Florida, but their economy does not have a major impact on international airlines to LIM, as the traveling Peruvian population is too little to really cause a negative punch to a major international carrier.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17418 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4292 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

I still don't know what that's about, nor see it happening. If they've reduced LIM from a peak of 2x daily down to once weekly for the foreseeable future, CIX is a lost cause.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
LA operates MIA-LIM-MIA 9x weekly. LP operates MIA-LIM-MIA 2x weekly and will soon begin LIM-PUJ-MIA 2x weekly, all flights operated with the B763.

wow, 3 AA + almost 2 daily LA/LP is a lot for OneWorld. Seems that AA is doing very well in LIM and continue to take care of it's strong position in South America.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4134 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
NK has an interest in starting FLL to Chiclayo, Peru.

I still don't know what that's about, nor see it happening. If they've reduced LIM from a peak of 2x daily down to once weekly for the foreseeable future, CIX is a lost cause.

Yeah. But then, AA at a higher price point is doing better to Lim than NK at a lower price point. Seems like it should be the other way around. A larger feed network for connections via MIA and brand/product recognition defintely help.


Rgds,


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3977 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 14):
Yeah. But then, AA at a higher price point is doing better to Lim than NK at a lower price point. Seems like it should be the other way around. A larger feed network for connections via MIA and brand/product recognition defintely help.

Spirit's demphasis on customer service has been a disaster for them. Destinations launch very strong - Lima was doing so well at launch it went 2x daily within a few months - and then - bam - they can't get a repeat customer for the life of them, and send all that demand back to AA.



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3843 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
Spirit's demphasis on customer service has been a disaster for them. Destinations launch very strong - Lima was doing so well at launch it went 2x daily within a few months - and then - bam - they can't get a repeat customer for the life of them, and send all that demand back to AA.

This is an extremely critical issue for NK.. They know this is happening and yet let it continue to erode and jeopardize the company.

I've tried NK, Ryan Air and Easy Jet. The experiences were basically similar onboard and at the gate, aside from seat assignments. It could be that the American traveler learns that the total LCC experience for long haul is not desireable. Then again, I can't speak about the B6 experience to BOG or their return customer success..


Rgds,


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 days ago) and read 3742 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

Spirit isn't ending Lima, albeit I notice pretty heavy reductions in frequency in GDS.

Not completely yet, but they are down to 1x only on Saturdays from FLL-LIM Sept. 1 - May 1, 2010.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
AA and NK are two different products/clienteles and price points.

NK's LFs (really low) and fares (high) on FLL-LIM were not what you might think, moving a lot of the low yield traffic to LIM over to MIA.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
Possibly, Peruvians are traveling more to Florida, but their economy does not have a major impact on international airlines to LIM, as the traveling Peruvian population is too little to really cause a negative punch to a major international carrier.

Increased business traffic to Peru should also be taken into account, and AA carries the majority of that.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11522 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 days ago) and read 3710 times:

The 1000 LIM departure looks like it is perfectly designed for connections coming off LP flights from domestic Peru - you have a CUZ, TRU, CIX, AQP and IQT that all have morning LIM flights that could make connections to this. Smart.

User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 days ago) and read 3683 times:



Quoting Alianza (Reply 16):
I can't speak about the B6 experience to BOG or their return customer success..

I know quite a bunch of repeat customers from B6 here in Colombia, including myself.
They can be LCC in cost and everything, but having tried both AA and B6 from Colombia to the US I can't say AA was overly superior, even if I didn't dislike them.
I don't put B6 in the same category of NK, I don't even see them as low cost except maybe for the full meal (and the ticket cost).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9315 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3484 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):

MIA, NYC, WAS and LAX probably account for 80%+ of U.S.-Peru demand.

Do you know where DL sends most of its PAXs? IIRC its only 1x daily 764 but i believe the flight does pretty well.(i assume Atlanta doesn't have much Peru demand)



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Good for Lima. This is indeed an opportunity seen by AA after NK's drastic frequency reduction.

Quoting Alianza (Reply 11):
Peru's economy has "held up" only because it was really cooking when the downturn was starting to be felt in countries around the world.

And because the country has had a policy of fiscal discipline dating form the Fujimori government. Other latin american countries were growing as much as Peru and look at their economies now (Colombia and Chile).



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