MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6242 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26562 times:
That's one long 747! Looking good so far...nice job, Boeing. I can't wait for the first flight. I might have to try to catch a glimpse of her when I'm up in the SEA area in October.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26698 posts, RR: 83 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25864 times:
Alas with the freighter model the extra length is kind of "lost" since there are no visual references like the extended upper deck the passenger model will have.
Frigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1195 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25790 times:
Still, even as a freighter, when the raked wingtips are attached and it's out of the paintshop with that great dreamliner livery, it's gonna be one heck of a good-looking plane - can't wait to see it taking to the skies
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14324 posts, RR: 26 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25790 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7): Alas with the freighter model the extra length is kind of "lost" since there are no visual references like the extended upper deck the passenger model will have.
The short upper deck makes it look even longer since we are used to looking at -400s. It almost looks like an A340-600 with a hump.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Ben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 569 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25723 times:
I really hope we get to see the passenger variant graced by the liveries of long time 747 operators like QF, BA, SQ, JL, CX, SA, NW/DL etc. It's a remarkably gorgeous aircraft, that's for sure.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 25660 times:
Beautiful aircraft! This is really the first pic since the body join, no? The last pic I saw was just before body join.
I am shocked at how quickly they have turned the power on since body join and that Boeing has not put anything up on their website stating such, not that I am doubting FlightGlobal's credibility? Does the whole airplane need to be wired to achieve power on? Does the 748 sections come pre-stuffed like the 787? Does this surprise anyone else?
Mascmo From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24412 times:
She's a biggin'! I can't wait to see the pax version though!
NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24174 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9): The short upper deck makes it look even longer since we are used to looking at -400s. It almost looks like an A340-600 with a hump
Not a lot unlike the early models, i remember flying the great route on TWA from LHR to JFK on an early bird with just the 3 windows upstairs.
Just as an added extra from that booking, TWA had a travel brochure that i found in our travel agents shop called 'jeTWAys', i always thought it was a clever way to bring their name into the title of the brochure.
There isnt really a dark side to the moon, as a matter of fact its all dark!
Theginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1110 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 22134 times:
As much as I like the B744 and be sad to see it eventually leave the skies in years to come I can't see the need for the B748, the orders hardly stack up and a B773 ER can do exactly what a 747 can do these days so perhaps they would be better off developing a new big twin or enhancing the 777 in some way.
Flynorth From Sweden, joined Mar 2008, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 21321 times:
Being somewhat starved on good news from the airline industry in general and the plane making industry in particular, it is good to see some good progress
Bzwebner From United States of America, joined May 2009, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 21321 times:
A bit off topic, but what will the flight deck look like? Is it going to resemble the current 744 flight deck or are they going to incorporate a look that is more like the 787 (grey instead of brown, larger screens etc.)?
Kappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 18 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 20960 times:
Quoting Frigatebird (Reply 8): Still, even as a freighter, when the raked wingtips are attached and it's out of the paintshop with that great dreamliner livery, it's gonna be one heck of a good-looking plane - can't wait to see it taking to the skies
Couldn't agree more. It really good to see the 748 for real. Let's hope to see some new orders (especially the 748i) sooner rather than later.
Quoting Theginge (Reply 20): a new big twin or enhancing the 777 in some way.
Please no, there are enough twins already. A new quad is always very welcome. Besides, the 748 has more pax and cargo capacity than the 77W.
Trigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 20310 times:
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 25): Well, would you buy an A380 if your A320 is delayed? This simply does not make sense.
Umm. Much less of a difference between a 748 and a 787 than A380 and A320. Instead of being snarky, just make a simple reply of, "No" and add some filler.
If an operator believes that it may have an increased demand to warrant the extra 137 seats, why not take a presumably discounted rate on a 748 as opposed to a 783. Both will fly trans-oceanic, high density routes.
UnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 18427 times:
I can tell in length it's longer, but the UD doesn't look much different.
25 JBirdAV8r: I think the plan is to more or less stick with the 747-400 cockpit layout and color scheme. The avionics are going to incorporate some relatively min
26 HOOB747: Beautiful bird, as expected. And if Boeing knows one thing, its how to build a 747. When Lufthansa puts the passenger version of this baby in the sky,
27 Stitch: I would say about zero. However, if the 747-8F proves to be a solid performer (and therefor Boeing can know with solid reliability how the 747-8 will
28 A342: The 783 is the one designed for short range missions, I guess you mean the 788. And for a long-haul three-class layout, make that some 100 seats less
29 Trigged: No, the 783 ANA has on order (28 remaining). If you look at the high density configurations of ANA short range 744's, the 748 would fit in nicely. If
30 Flylku: Indeed. The one I really want to see is the passenger variant with the plug that extends the upper deck. Visually it may even look bigger than the A3
31 SEPilot: Well, the only difference from a builder's point of view between the 748 and 744 is length, and they've gotten pretty well practiced on building 744'
32 AndyGarrett: If the MD-80 is the long thin tube, does this variant of the 747 constitute "the long thick tube"?
33 Stitch: I'd apply that more to the A340-600 or the 777-300ER, at least in terms of visual impact.
34 A342: The days of the 747 on very short routes are coming to an end. There was a reason why production of the 744D was stopped earlier than the regular 744
35 MoltenRock: I'm assuming this aircraft gets into the air before the 787. Let's hope that Boeing's performance numbers come in much better than expectations. It wo
36 KC135TopBoom: Wouldn't a B-748D be almost a completely different airplane, structure wise and fuel load wise, than the B-748I? That would require new engineering,
37 Stitch: Well a 747-400 and 747-400D have identical maximum landing weights, maximum structural payloads, and usable fuel capacities per Boeing's ACAPS. The o
38 Trigged: Thanks for the info. That was the kind of info I was looking for rather than the A380/A320 analogy. If ANA is switching to the 777 for high density/s
39 RedChili: The 748 in a high density seating for Japanese domestic routes would probably carry at least 650 seats. That's a lot of seats for a domestic bird.
40 Ikramerica: They chopped off the winglets, and added reinforcement to the undercarriage, but 744Ds could be converted to 744s and vice versa, and JL did so to ev
41 Tdscanuck: 'tis surprising they haven't done a press release. No. No. Compared to the 787, yes. Compared to any other airplane, no. Close to zero. The mission o
42 Fridgmus: Absolutely Gorgeous! Almost as pretty as a Super Constellation!!! Can't wait to see her painted with four beautiful blowers hanging underneath her! We
43 Ikramerica: The ultimate long thin tube was the DC-8 stretch. What a beauty!
44 UnitedFA07: This may have been asked in other forums, blogs, post, whatever you call these things...but why did they build the freighter first instead of a pax pl
45 Soon7x7: No,... but I'd trade in my A380 for this beauty...
46 BMI727: Because there is more demand for the freighter. As far as I know the only 747-8 pax orders are from Lufthansa along with a handful of BBJs, though Ar
47 Astuteman: It's funny how the noise coming from the 787 programme has masked the "business as usual" going on elsewhere in the company. I'll add my congratulati
48 Ikramerica: But I believe they rip out the floor toward the back, and only leave a truncated upper deck the same size as the non-SUD F version. This allows for t
49 Kappel: Indeed, so will I! IIRC there are more differences than that, mainly in the wings and the fact that the 748 is partly FBW. But other than that, it is
50 NZdsgnr: question is how do they get the taller containers/pallet in?
51 747classic: Despite all the trouble the 787 causes the 747-8, the "QUEEN OF THE SKY" grows younger and younger !!!!!!!!!!!! Is there already a high resolution ver
52 RedChili: Which leads me to a question that I hope someone can answer: How do the pilots get access to the upper deck? I take it that the regular stairs, which
53 747classic: Via a retractable stairs, mounted in the vincinity of door 11. (LH FWD entry door ) The stairs can be retracted for main deck cargo loading.[Edited 20
54 AirbusA6: It's great that the programme is progressing, but it is running nearly a year late, so it's hardly surprising that Boeing isn't crowing too much at th
55 EbbUK: If Boeing's 2 projects are running late (1 later than the other) me fears the same for Airbus which will be a shame. Also I liken the 748 and 380 race
56 N14AZ: Sorry for being a little bit off-topic but I simply have to agree. The ratio between fuselage diameter and length is unbeaten, neither by the new 748
57 TristarSteve: You can load taller pallets through the rear side door, and then move them fwd until you get to the upper deck. The upper deck restricts the height o
58 747classic: I found some extra pictures of the "first power on" on this link : http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2009/08/big_time.html
59 RIX: 1. Doesn't have to happen at all. 2. Why a shame? 350 is same innovative, with same reasonable expectations of not going smooth. In any case, both ma
60 United787: Aren't the wings entirely new? And the engines are obviously new! What about the landing gear and such?
61 Ikramerica: Wings are reshaped profile, and I believe the rear stabs and such are of a different size to compensate for the different length, but not positive. E
62 FlyMIA: Great news nice to see them getting a project working well so far. Cant wait to she her fly.
63 TristarSteve: Which bit is that?. Any more than the B744?
64 Ikramerica: Boeing know how to build 747s. They've been doing it for 43 years!!!
67 Tdscanuck: And all new engines, all new wing, some new flight controls, all new interior, several flight deck changes, new HF datalink, new inerting system, new
68 747classic: Also the 747-8 features for the first time in the history of the 747 a RAT (ram air turbine) to compensate for the increased electric power, needed i
69 Kappel: The 744 has no FBW features at all. http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q2/060508d_nr.html [Edited 2009-08-19 02:00:04]
70 TristarSteve: Except for the flap control system.
71 Aircellist: Not quite... Still, I look forward to the "complete"picture.
72 A342: There are major differences, but IMO it's far from all-new. Aside from being beefed up, what's new?
73 OldAeroGuy: " target=_blank>http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...llout While the 747-8 does have a RAT, Aviation Week is incorrect in saying the RAT is for inc
74 Manfredj: Somewhat new, all new, what's the difference? If it works, don't fix it. I don't think the bantering back and fourth proves the aircraft's worthiness.
75 EPA001: I think you mean here: the lower the costs to operate the plane will be. Profit depends on many factors, costs can be calculated to CASM, RASM, etc,
76 747classic: You cannot thrust anybody, even Aviation Week is incorrect. What a world are we living in. But I am a bit curious about this new feature. On the clas
77 AA777223: So, if the 747 (not even the 744) didn't have a RAT, how did it function in case of a complete loss of engine power? Did they just assume, much like
78 Stitch: The post you quoted answered that question - the four engines windmilling in the airflow.
80 747classic: I can only speak for the 747-100/200/300/SP. The electricity with all engines out was sufficient for approx one hour flying (in the beginning less),
81 Seemyseems: She looks great! I just hope more airlines order the PAX models.
82 474218: The first airliner with a RAT was the L-1011. The TriStar used the RAT to supply hydraulic power in the event of the loss of all three engines and a
83 Kappel: Really? OK, learned something new again... I am and I do
84 747classic: Pls, let's stay at the topic : 747-8 - Are already high res. pictures available of this "power on" event ? - Why does the 747-8 needs a Ram Air Turbin
85 TristarSteve: Yes its a bit confusing to me too. They have fitted a triple channel system to transmit the flap lever inputs to the Flap control unit, to replace a
86 Astuteman: I'd love to set aside any animosity towards any aircraft - they're all marvellous feats of engineering. Will it happen? Rgds
87 L-188: I took the Boeing Everett tour Thursday morning and saw this bird on the previous station. Nice looking aircraft, the extra 18ft does help it's appear
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