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Ryanair To Close MAN Base  
User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 853 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8979 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8205445.stm

Ryanair is to switch or close nine of the 10 routes it currently operates from Manchester Airport.

Ryanair says it due to MAN not lowering its charges.

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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

This is what MAN has said:


http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layo...ostitute'%20itself%20to%20Ryanair


Goodbye FR  wave 



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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Perhaps also got something to do with LBA coming on line?

cheers



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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1564 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8881 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 1):
This is what MAN has said:


http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layo...ostitute'%20itself%20to%20Ryanair


Goodbye FR  

I was thinking of posting that article earlier!!

I don't think MAN will be too sorry to see FR go then, especially if they think other carriers will step in and fill in the gaps. Also saves MAN from "prostituting" themselves.


User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8881 times:

I think FR doesn´t need MAN they have a base in Liverpool and another one in Leeds, so they have two bases in less then 70 kms, and also EMA is very close.

MAN wasn´t a big FR base and the development was very very slow so FR hasn´t got a big success there.

Now we know why they´ve opened Leeds................


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

The thing about FR is, they can easily knock legacy carriers off routes. At LBA there isnt really that risk, but at MAN, just for one example, they flew to Charleroi, but obviously we have SN flying to BRU.

MAN wont care at all, there will be plenty of scope for U2 and LS to expand now.

FR really are a bunch of kids when it comes to this.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

MAN was too big and established for an FR base, as they prefer 2nd tier 'hungry' airports, desperate for business and offerring generous deals to entice people in...

I'm sure U2 and FlyBE will fill the gap...



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User currently offlineFlywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8689 times:
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I can only see this benefiting MAN in the long term, although passenger numbers will be down. With FR not being aggressive against the larger carriers (eg SN to Brussels, as mentioned above), it keeps these carriers operating profitably, and willing to stay at MAN.

User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8662 times:



Quoting Flywrite (Reply 7):
although passenger numbers will be down.

I think i heard on the news its around 60,000 a year, i dont know how accurate that is. Also, the BBC are reporting FR have said 600 jobs will go. Where are those 600 jobs going to be lost?

Im confident we can see some expansion by U2 and BE.



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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

I read Manchester were asking £3 p/p fees, anyone know what is the norm in the UK?


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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8567 times:



Quoting NEMA (Reply 9):
I read Manchester were asking £3 p/p fees, anyone know what is the norm in the UK?

Im not sure but its not unreasonable.

FR annoy me this way, because if they had got MAN to lower charges to lets say £1.50 p/p they would still have charged £3 on the price of a ticket. They do it for themselves not the customer.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Ahh what wonderful news. Shame they are sticking around for DUB-MAN-DUB but we can't have everything.


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8524 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 5):
MAN wont care at all, there will be plenty of scope for U2 and LS to expand now.



Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 6):
I'm sure U2 and FlyBE will fill the gap...

Didn't people say that when BA pulled out, and then when bmi virtually pulled out? Still haven't seen all these new routes to JFK, ORD etc.

Like them or not, FR provided business to Manchester, a place which EZY have very little interest in.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 10):
FR annoy me this way, because if they had got MAN to lower charges to lets say £1.50 p/p they would still have charged £3 on the price of a ticket. They do it for themselves not the customer.

Its called running a business.

Besides, most of the FR fares I've bought have been less than £3 anyway. It's their haggling with airports that allows them to provide the low fares in the first place.


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

I think the topic title has to be changed because MAN is not a base.


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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Good riddance really.  Smile



Lee



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1783 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8429 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
Like them or not, FR provided business to Manchester, a place which EZY have very little interest in.

Sorry? Easyjet have a base at MAN with three based aircraft and new routes. Admittedly, the base is developing at a slower pace but this is due to the current climate and the fact that Easyjet as an airline will be barely growing this coming year.

Easyjet want MAN and other primary airports including MUC and FRA where they hope to gain a foothold at once their new runways are built.

Ryanair are immensely difficult for airports to deal with. They are brash and bullies. IMO DUB is their only worthwhile route. The rest are like so many of their other routes............flights from somewhere to nowhere.



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User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2981 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8296 times:
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Planesarecool

You do show quite a lot of animosity to regional airports.

Quote:
AirbusA6 (Reply 6):
I'm sure U2 and FlyBE will fill the gap...

Didn't people say that when BA pulled out, and then when bmi virtually pulled out? Still haven't seen all these new routes to JFK, ORD etc.

Like them or not, FR provided business to Manchester, a place which EZY have very little interest in.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 10):
FR annoy me this way, because if they had got MAN to lower charges to lets say £1.50 p/p they would still have charged £3 on the price of a ticket. They do it for themselves not the customer.

Its called running a business.

Besides, most of the FR fares I've bought have been less than £3 anyway. It's their haggling with airports that allows them to provide the low fares in the first place.

1) Last point first yes it IS business and prices are set by the Supplier NOT the customer.

2) Sometimes it really is better to loose business/ walk away from a potential order/contract if the margins are wrong for the supplier.

3) If this industry is to recover and thrive then all customers in the chain better start paying a fair price for services provided including RYR.

4) Easyjet does operate a full base with the new A320s and have stated there commitment to steady growth from Manchester (No it will never be your beloved LGW but the route network will turn a profit -GOOD).

5) Myth correction.
a) The majority of the BA Connect network HAS been continued by Flybe with a few tweaks and for some annoyances, particularly Madrid and Berlin , however some nice minor French towns added.
b) Manchester retains THREE daily flights to the New York area , with TWO differing airlines and a daily flight to Chicago with American.
c) Vagas remains connected by other carriers.
d) Only the Carribean has seen significant reductions, however Virgin still go to Barbados up to two weekly.


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8251 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
Didn't people say that when BA pulled out, and then when bmi virtually pulled out? Still haven't seen all these new routes to JFK, ORD etc.

BA and BMI pulled out just as the economic climate was setting in. If the economy was still in good shape we would see possibly expansion to JFK etc.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 12):
Like them or not, FR provided business to Manchester, a place which EZY have very little interest in.

I have to disagree. EZY is more important to MAN than FR. As GT4EZY mentions, U2 actually have aircraft based at MAN, not just flying in from other secondary airport bases etc. MAN will miss FR like a whole in the head. Trust me, if they were that important to MAN then the airport authorities would have given in to their demands. But they know that A) they didnt need FR and B) FR take custom from legacy carriers and other well respected airlines, and MAN does not want to loose them.

Also, FR are completely insane anyway. One wiff of a quarterly loss and they cut back routes or whatever, blaming 'APD' charges or 'airport charges'. So they go into airports, compete and force out legacys, then pull out leaving no service at all. Id rather have SAS, SN, LH, AF et al so bye bye FR dont bother coming back.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 16):
Manchester retains THREE daily flights to the New York area , with TWO differing airlines and a daily flight to Chicago with American.

Yup, three 75W's and don't forget PK which currently do twice weekly to JFK until the end of October when it goes up to six weekly, albeit with just 50 seats available for sale on each flight as these are the one stops from Pakistan.

[Edited 2009-08-17 09:31:31]


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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8130 times:



Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 15):
Sorry? Easyjet have a base at MAN with three based aircraft

They inherited the base from GT at the start of last year and have since added one aircraft, making it still one of their smallest bases.

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 16):
You do show quite a lot of animosity to regional airports.

Funny, it's usually me supporting FR's use of regional or, if you like, 'secondary' airports, so I'm not quite sure how you've worked that one out.

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 17):
I have to disagree. EZY is more important to MAN than FR.

I never suggested they weren't, I'm just saying that I don't expect EZY to entirely fill in for the 600,000 passengers that will be lost with the closed FR routes.

Quoting Rutankrd (Reply 16):
a) The majority of the BA Connect network HAS been continued by Flybe with a few tweaks and for some annoyances, particularly Madrid and Berlin , however some nice minor French towns added.
b) Manchester retains THREE daily flights to the New York area , with TWO differing airlines and a daily flight to Chicago with American.
c) Vagas remains connected by other carriers.
d) Only the Carribean has seen significant reductions, however Virgin still go to Barbados up to two weekly.

These are all retained routes. When BA/bmi pulled out, everyone was suggesting that other airlines would start/increase capacity and that they were simply pulling out because they were 'London Airways'.


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1812 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8042 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
They inherited the base from GT at the start of last year and have since added one aircraft, making it still one of their smallest bases.

Maybe Ryan can clear this up but arnt U2 adding a 4th aircraft from MAN?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):



These are all retained routes. When BA/bmi pulled out, everyone was suggesting that other airlines would start/increase capacity and that they were simply pulling out because they were 'London Airways'.

And capacity will be increased when the economy picks up. Its naive to think that capacity could be ramped up when we are in one of the worst crisis to hit the Industry, if not the most severe. MAN could sustain BD and AA to ORD, but they pulled the route to take the A330's down to LHR, where they thought they could make more money from premium traffic. Certainly when i travelled BD to ORD twice the aircraft was full, and i mean full in all classes on both occasions.

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 19):
I never suggested they weren't, I'm just saying that I don't expect EZY to entirely fill in for the 600,000 passengers that will be lost with the closed FR routes.

Id have to disagree. If they carefully pick their routes and build up a good network i think MAN will become a nice base for EZY.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8002 times:
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Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 10):
They do it for themselves not the customer.

Yes, it is true that they want to make a profit. If I'm not mistaken, that's why they're in business.  smile 

Regardless of this bluster about charges, the fact is that if MAN was really working for FR then they wouldn't be pulling out. As pointed out in earlier posts, it is overkill to have MAN, LBA, LPL and EMA running. All of this publicity about airport charges is really only for the benefit of the bases they intend on staying in. Nothing like a bit of veiled threat to keep costs down.



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User currently offlineCainanUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7980 times:

I work at MAN and I cant honestly think of too many (airport) folks that will be sorry to see the back of them. O'Leary and his cronies have been taking advantage of airports and ground handling agents for years, basically wanting to pay nothing but get the world in return. I applaud the management at MAN for finally standing up to the schoolyard bully by saying "enough".

It is also funny that they are picking up their toys and pissing off to LPL and LBA and tried to release a damning statement about MAN but with the exception of the red tops, the mainstream media aint biting, if anything, FR and its management are looking like the fools they really are.

IMHO, the only better news would be FR going belly up.



Cainan Cornelius
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7902 times:



Quoting CainanUK (Reply 22):
IMHO, the only better news would be FR going belly up.

So you would be happy to see thousands of direct and indirect jobs being lost, as well as many airports losing all air service, and a good deal of passengers not being able to afford to fly? Bit selfish if you ask me.


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

Are Ryanair going to advertise LBA as a 'Manchester Airport' now?  Wink

25 BCAL : But the big question is will other carriers step in and fill in the gaps? I cannot find the data but I believe the main airlines at MAN are (not nece
26 CainanUK : If it meant that other carriers with more reasonable expectations of what should be paid on the ground were to benefit by them going? Well then yes,
27 LH121GLA : Quite simple really - Jet2 will probably retrench and regroup at MAN.
28 Danfearn77 : Very true! I suppose its the way they go about making it that gets people's backs up. Yes. Also if MAN wanted them they would have stuck with them an
29 Myt332 : Funny, they may well do that but in all honesty even though LBA is only 50/60 miles from MAN it's just too much of a pain in the arse to get to for m
30 GT4EZY : And I gave you the reasons why. You will also note that Easyjet's growth has, and will continue to be, sustainable regardless of where they base airc
31 GDB : So the industry is going through they say, the worst times ever. But when it affects FR, it's nothing to do with them, oh no. Hmmmm....
32 GT4EZY : I don't fully understand your point so forgive me if I a barking up the wrong tree......but....... .....They are suffering due to the economy but the
33 BlueShamu330s : I'm composing a letter to MAG. Please, please, Please, PLEASE Hang a banner from the 9th floor, Tower Building, facing the apron, saying: BYE BYE RYAN
34 Mutu : To be accurate BA Connect was sold to Flybe (in which BA retains a 15% stake). As such whilst the BA brand largely disappeared the flight network was
35 David_itl : Purely coincidentally of course, Jet2 have announced services Kos, Venice and Gran Canaria today, basing 1 extra 737 and creating 250 jobs.
36 Rdwootty : I am so pleased that at least one airport has called his bluff. I suspect that he did not expect it. n addition the airport is shown to support the ot
37 Leezyjet : Now what you need to do to get to LBA the cheap way by public transport is take the train to Leeds, change onto the Harrogate line and get off at Hor
38 Bennett123 : That sounds far from cheap or convenient. Also how long does that all take. Is it really worth it.
39 Danfearn77 : Fantastic news. I used their VCE service when they previously operated it great to see it back.
40 IH8BY : At the same time, when you say carriers operating profitably, you mean not having to charge such competitive fares. Nice for the airport (better mone
41 Boeing74741R : One thing that came to my mind was that FR was pulling out due to MAN refusing to budge on its costs like the smaller airports have done in the past.
42 AirNz : Hmmm! a very successful and profitable "bunch of kids"........you kind of forgot to mention that bit. Even more interestingly, no tour operator provi
43 Danfearn77 : Exactly. If FR get cheap landing fees then other airlines need cheap landing fees, meaning MAN has problems in income, in turn they cant put this bac
44 Slz396 : Couldn't care less FR decides to close 9/10 routes... but I am interested as to why they keep 1 single route? Wouldn't it make more sense to pull out
45 Planesarecool : And what about those who then cannot afford to fly? Those who cannot afford to visit friends and family across Europe? Not that it matters really, Ry
46 David_itl : Of course it helps when one stupid airline (that incidentally seems to have racked up a hell of a loss since quitting all MAN ops except shuttle runs
47 Minty33 : Thread title is a little misleading, last time I checked, MAN was never a Ryanair base, but rather an airport that has ten routes flown by Ryanair fro
48 Planesarecool : Are you aware of the global recession, or have you been living under a rock for the past year or so?
49 Post contains links Myt332 : I'm heading to MAN in 20 minutes as it goes. I'll meet you at 1pm and we can hang our own banner up if you want? You call that easy lad?! Well accord
50 Danfearn77 : Nope, we dont forget that bit. But this thread isnt about making a profit or how they hedge their fuel brilliantly, it about them pulling out of MAN.
51 Danfearn77 : Quite. Plus i was being sarcastic about their fuel hedge policy, which they buggered up.
52 Planesarecool : And if you actually read past the headline you'd find this: "Stripping out the impact of the Aer Lingus write down, and other one-off factors, Ryanai
53 RussianJet : Not only was this warped by the Air Lingus purchase, but you may also wish to note that results from this year indicate a healthy profit being turned
54 Danfearn77 : Why then did they apply for more routes? If a base isnt working an airline is not going to apply for 28 more flights per week. But surely 'very succe
55 NEMA : Me too as it happens, i have already decided that my booking next week with them will be my last. I dont use them for the cheap flights, for me its n
56 Spud757 : Even from this side of the hills getting the LBA isn't simple. By car from Sheffield EMA is probably the easiest as it's straight down the M1, then D
57 EI320 : FR would operate the route at a loss rather than hand it on a plate to EI. It's not always about money when EI are in the equation.
58 BCAL : But they are not forced to book or fly with FR with a gun pointed at their head, and can simply take their custom elsewhere if they wish. As long as
59 Danfearn77 : I totally agree with you. I was stating that she travelled with them only due to the fares and not because she liked them. Im guessing a large propor
60 Boeing74741R : That isn't the reason why they are doing a virtual pull out from MAN though. They are pulling out because MAN have stood their ground on fees and Mic
61 Slz396 : Well, EI is a sort of wannabe low cost airline too and they do both operate on the same route, so I can see their point, but otherwise, I think FR is
62 Myt332 : I did read that. A loss is still a loss. I do not wish to thanks. I wasn't talking about this year. Thanks for restating my options though.
63 RussianJet : Not restating opinions at all, merely pointing out that by any reasonable measure, and in comparison to a great many other carriers out there, FR is
64 CainanUK : Flying isn't a divine right. The travelling public has had it artifically cheap for a long time. Those cheap fares come from cost savings somewhere,
65 Post contains links Myt332 : I was talking about financial results from last year? Just that, nothing more. It's not quite what you wanted but it was the best me, my little broth
66 BlueShamu330s : Priceless !!!! Please post it on the 'other' site !!
67 GT4EZY : Alex is using child labour.............................he's no better than MOL. Shame on you!
68 Post contains links Normie999 : Three cheers to Manchester! http://insidetraveller.co.uk/blog/?p=300 Ryanair is really going to have to learn another tune if it wants to maintain any
69 Lightsaber : FR does try to get the 'best deal' at every airport. If they can arrange for other airlines to subsidize their costs, that is just smart. I agree wit
70 Normie999 : OK, Ryanair were slow to get into Manchester, with other, more suitable fish to fry up North, and it makes alot of sense at theis stage in the game fo
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