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Question About IAH  
User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

In poking around some map websites, I noticed that the northernmost runway at IAH seems to be situated an extraordinarily long distance from both the terminal and the other runways. I also noticed that underneath the taxiways connecting this runway to the rest of the complex are what appear to be freeway underpasses which are complete but connected to no freeway. I was wondering what the eventual plans are for the rather large empty space between the northernmost runway and the rest of the airport? My first guess would be that a completely new terminal is planned for that location since the current terminal complex seems to be a history of successive airport terminal design trends as one goes from West to East, but I could be severely mistaken.

I did a search for this on this website, but found no relevant information. Thank you in advance for your replies.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I was wondering what the eventual plans are for the rather large empty space between the northernmost runway and the rest of the airport?

It almost looks like they're trying to connect FM1960 westward from Humble with a new segment that runs between IAH's north/south runway complexes to Aldine-Westfield Road, or maybe further to the Hardy Toll Road. Even though I-70 used to run under one of DEN Stapleton's runways, it's hard to envision anything similar in today's post-9/11 world, but maybe this has been in somebody's Master Plan from way back.

The City of Houston runs both IAH and HOU, so try their site and see if any of this is mentioned in IAH's Master Plan.

http://www.houstonairportsystem.org/

Try this one:

http://www.fly2houston.com/iahMasterPlan

[Edited 2009-08-17 10:24:56]

User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

If memory serves me right....which seems to go more and more each day..... The old plans had a secondary terminal midfield. I think it was to be a International Terminal, but not sure what happened to that idea.

Now again I could be completely incorrect on that, and it was just a dream  Smile)

Chris



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User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

The mater plan does show another runway between 8R/26L and 8L/26R which would be why the existing north runway is so far out, but interestingly there is no mention to the freeway underpasses already built.
I have also noticed these underpasses after landing when taxing to the terminals. My guess would be that they wanted to get the them in place while it was feasible just in case the Houston street grid warrants the need for that road. Actually, an east-west freeway in the spot would do well today.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

And the northern most runway and newest, Runway 8L/26R was place where it is in order to allow for Triple Independent Simultaneous Ops in all weather conditions. The current criteria in place requires a minimum of 5,000' separation between runway centerlines which is the exact distance between the 2 north runways. Runway 9/27 is 5,760' between centerlines with the middle runway.

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I also noticed that underneath the taxiways connecting this runway to the rest of the complex are what appear to be freeway underpasses which are complete but connected to no freeway.

Have you ever seen the frog chokers we get in Houston, I mean these "freeway underpasses" could be used for drainage from those huge rain storms!  bouncy 



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4319 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):

Have you ever seen the frog chokers we get in Houston, I mean these "freeway underpasses" could be used for drainage from those huge rain storms!

Good Lord, they're bayous?


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5767 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4261 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
Good Lord, they're bayous?

Lol.

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
My first guess would be that a completely new terminal is planned for that location since the current terminal complex seems to be a history of successive airport terminal design trends as one goes from West to East, but I could be severely mistaken.

No, a new terminal is NOT planned for that area. The next new terminal will be the demolished and rebuilt B terminal, which will have multiple north-south fingers and eliminate the banjo design entirely. Which is great; when the terminal was built, the idea was that you'd spend time in the main lobby, and only proceed to your banjo for boarding. Now, with the advent of security, it's quite clear that the terminal design no longer works, and you have to spend about an hour in a VERY overcrowded banjo, with undersized restrooms, and only enough chairs for half the people!!!
Anyhow, after the rebuild of B, there are plans to modify D, I believe, to match the opposite E terminal.

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I noticed that the northernmost runway at IAH seems to be situated an extraordinarily long distance from both the terminal and the other runways.

It looks long on a map? You should try looking at it from 17A in an ERJ..... it's even longer!!!!


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4103 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
It looks long on a map? You should try looking at it from 17A in an ERJ..... it's even longer!!!!

Or taxiing around for 20 minutes or so while making the Lee Road/Jack In The Box transition to the south ramps.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4060 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 7):
Or taxiing around for 20 minutes or so while making the Lee Road/Jack In The Box transition to the south ramps.

If some enterprising soul could figure out a practical way of setting up a "taxi-up" window, maybe waiting out all those lengthy EDCTs would be less of a hassle...  Wink


User currently offlineIahflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4041 times:



Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I noticed that the northernmost runway at IAH seems to be situated an extraordinarily long distance from both the terminal and the other runways.

That is RWY 8L/26R. On TWY maps, all TWY's are F_ except for NE which the far left TWY. This summer, during my internship there, when with operations in a vehicle it is still a tremendous way.

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I also noticed that underneath the taxiways connecting this runway to the rest of the complex are what appear to be freeway underpasses which are complete but connected to no freeway.

Originally, HWY 6, which is just north of RWY 8L/26R, was going to be routed via these roadways when the possibility of a even further north RWY was going to be built, but the 8C/26C RWY that now has approval will be traversing this route. Primarily though, all service (ELEC, A&G, etc.) vehicles excluding OPS use these roads to reach their mid-field destinations without disrupting a/c.

Quoting TSS (Thread starter):
I was wondering what the eventual plans are for the rather large empty space between the northernmost runway and the rest of the airport?

In two words, HAY and a RWY.



Little airports with the big jets are the best!! Floyd
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Here you go again attempting to steal my user ID!!!  

Quoting Iahflyer (Reply 9):
In two words, HAY

Yep, gotta love the airport system selling hay! IAH and EFD are in the hay business and seems to be working quite nice if the bales I see south of Runway 9/27at IAH are any indication.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
If some enterprising soul could figure out a practical way of setting up a "taxi-up" window, maybe waiting out all those lengthy EDCTs would be less of a hassle...

Other than the possible conflict of interest.....  

Or, maybe Chelsea can move out into the east cargo area and provide that service. Sort of like a pit stop....new tires, gas, windscreen wash, and a super sized to go cup with ice.

[Edited 2009-08-18 07:22:04]


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5767 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4018 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 10):
Yep, gotta love the airport system selling hay! IAH and EFD are in the hay business and seems to be working quite nice if the bails I see south of Runway 9/27at IAH are any indication.

Well if DFW can drill oil wells and crank up tens of thousands of dollars each day in pure profit AND STILL RAISE THE PARKING FEES, then why shouldn't IAH grow some grass!?!?!!? Lol!


I'm definitely liking the Taxi-up Jack in the Box idea....


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3986 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
I'm definitely liking the Taxi-up Jack in the Box idea....

I'd rather see an In-N-Out Burger transition...then we could actually change the airport identifier to INO!!! And it isn't used, there's an idea!  Smile



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3784 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
Well if DFW can drill oil wells

DFW does not have oil wells. Those are natural gas wells, drilled to make a profit at $5 to 7 natural gas. At today's prices of near $3, neither DFW, nor thousands of other property owners in the Barnet Shale region are not making money on the wells production. Some of the folks get still lease payments because they signed up at the right stage of the boom gone bust.

Hay, like Houston and many other places, is a valid way to supplement airport income. They have to cut the grass some time, so making enough money to pay for the equipment and fuel is useful, even if most do not make a real profit.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3667 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):

I'm definitely liking the Taxi-up Jack in the Box idea....



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 12):
In-N-Out Burger transition

Oh no no NO!  no  They need to get rid of the Crap in the Box on Will Clayton and put a bona fide Whataburger!

Whataburger meal ... $6.00
Whatasize that meal ... $0.50
Watching SQ, EK, QR, and others roll into town ... Priceless!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3641 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):
Have you ever seen the frog chokers we get in Houston, I mean these "freeway underpasses" could be used for drainage from those huge rain storms!

I've since taken a closer look at these via the bird's eye view on "Bing" and I think you've nailed it. While they do appear to be roadways, the space under the bridges appears too narrow to allow vehicles to transit at normal highway speeds (if that).


User currently offlineCOIAHLGW From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

I always called the 8L/26R runway "Conroe"  Smile


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6743 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3575 times:



Quoting Iahflyer (Reply 9):

Originally, HWY 6, which is just north of RWY 8L/26R, was going to be routed via these roadways

Mmmm you mean FM 1960. SH 6 is about 15 miles away at the end of 1960 in Satsuma.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
demolished and rebuilt B terminal, which will have multiple north-south fingers and eliminate the banjo design entirely. Which is great; when the terminal was built, the idea was that you'd spend time in the main lobby, and only proceed to your banjo for boarding. Now, with the advent of security, it's quite clear that the terminal design no longer works, and you have to spend about an hour in a VERY overcrowded banjo, with undersized restrooms, and only enough chairs for half the people!!!

The bigger issue with the banjo design is that it's not very conducive to a connecting hub. The secure-side walkway around the central core is narrow and walking distances can be very long. Even the Terminal C setup is far from ideal, with the long corridor across the access roads and central core.


User currently offlinePl4nekr4zy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

According to a friend who interned with TRACON at IAH this summer, there are plans to add RWY 8C/26C.


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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3529 times:



Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 18):
According to a friend who interned with TRACON at IAH this summer, there are plans to add RWY 8C/26C.

Key word are "friend who interned with TRACON". Why you may ask, well because an intern may not always have access to the most current and correct information let alone interning with the TRACON, they may not have it either. The best source is the city aviation department, in this case HAS.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15):
I've since taken a closer look at these via the bird's eye view on "Bing" and I think you've nailed it. While they do appear to be roadways, the space under the bridges appears too narrow to allow vehicles to transit at normal highway speeds (if that).

And you thought I was joking!  Smile

Quoting COIAHLGW (Reply 16):
I always called the 8L/26R runway "Conroe"

Nah, more like south Porter.



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User currently offlinePl4nekr4zy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3468 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 19):
Key word are "friend who interned with TRACON". Why you may ask, well because an intern may not always have access to the most current and correct information let alone interning with the TRACON, they may not have it either. The best source is the city aviation department, in this case HAS.

Fair enough. He heard it from the head ATC guy, though. Take it for what it's worth...



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3454 times:
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Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 18):

yes, that is right. along with a second 09/27 to make a L/R



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 19):
The best source is the city aviation department, in this case HAS.

There is indeed a plan for an 08C/26C, and a parallel south of 09/27. 09/27 will become 09L/27R and the new one will be 09R/27L.

Go to the Master Plan http://www.fly2houston.com/iahMasterPlan, click on "Master Plan Executive Summary", wait a minute for the big .PDF to load, and then scroll down to page 12. (If the link immediately above doesn't work, or takes you someplace that doesn't offer the above .PDF, use the version of the same link that's in my first post in this thread..)

The illustration shows two possible locations for the new 08C/26C. The primary one is just north of the existing 08R/26L, about 25% of the distance between 08R/26L and 08L/26R. The "alternative" location is equidistant between the two existing runways.

And, back to the OP's question (yet again), I posed the question to someone at the City, and the response was that it -is- indeed a road, albeit a future one, and they did the taxiway overpasses now so they didn't have to impact use of 08L/26R in the future. No ETA on completion of the road.


User currently offlineHuxrules From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

the proposed 9R-27L is so far south it might as well be called Hobby!

User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3370 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
There is indeed a plan for an 08C/26C, and a parallel south of 09/27. 09/27 will become 09L/27R and the new one will be 09R/27L.

Yes that is the plan....yet to have an EIS completed however.

Quoting Huxrules (Reply 23):
the proposed 9R-27L is so far south it might as well be called Hobby!

I was thinking more like Clear Lake.

Seriously, without having looked my guess is the new south runway would be at a minimum 5,000' south of the existing 9/27.

Quoting Pl4nekr4zy (Reply 20):
He heard it from the head ATC guy, though. Take it for what it's worth...

Well that clears it up, shed a new light on the topic.



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25 OPNLguy : RE: the road, here's what someone from the City emailed me in response to my question.. Project No. 522G constructed the taxiway bridges with anticipa
26 Pl4nekr4zy : Obviously you don't put much worth in it. Fine by me... even though OPNLguy showed us that it is indeed in the Master Plan, and not baseless conjectu
27 76794p : it is actually planned to add a 26/8C runway
28 IAD51FL : Sounds good to me.... I live right under the 26R flight path. Adding 26C, and the current 26L/R will make for nice evenings on the front porch when th
29 IAHFLYR : Dude, lighten up, it was meant in fun, sorry!
30 Pl4nekr4zy : No worries! It just seemed like you were continuing to bash what I thought was helpful (albeit not 100% reliable, as you pointed out) information. Hu
31 DiscoverCSG : I guess you haven't been to ATL. The new(est) runway has I-285 running underneath it, and that was opened in 2006. There are threatening-sounding sig
32 OPNLguy : Not lately, but I didn't consider ATL's scenario as readily comparable, since the IAH one involved a road at what appears to nearly the same grade as
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