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Air Europa, Partner Of Spanair?  
User currently offlineLXfan From France, joined Feb 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

I've just read about this information on spanair website : Air Europa is the new partner of Spanair plus, the frequent travler program of Spanair.

http://www.spanair.com/web/en-gb/Spa...ropa-new-partner-of-Spanair-Plus2/

I'm a little surpised about this information.
- Spanair is a member of Star Alliance
- Air Europa is an associate member of Skyteam

The two airlines are competitors : the networks of Air Europa and Spanair are mostly domestic flights, including those to the Balearics Islands and the Canary Islands !

- Will the two airlines merge ?
- Is the competition too fierce in Spain : next to these two airlines, you also have Iberia, their low cost Vueling, Easyjet and Ryanair. The domestic fares are very low, some destinations from 22 EUR tax.incl.on spanair or Iberia !

Does anyone have more information on this ?

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User currently offlineGatoVolador From Spain, joined Apr 2007, 435 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Air Europa and Spanair will not merge (yet), but as you said, the competition is fierce in the domestic market and with the new Vueling (Vueling + Clickair) and the increase of Ryanair and Easyjet's domestic operations, it's getting difficult for them to play a significant role in the market.

Furthermore, whereas Air Europa is reducing the size of its fleet (with some new Embraers that are working very good for the domestic segments, as they are cheap to operate and easy to fill), the new owners of Spanair want apparently to create a hub at BCN's T1 but at the same time reducing their fleet (by 25%, if I'm not mistaken!).

That's why both carriers signed some months ago a codeshare agreement so that one airline gives the other one access to some uncovered routes, in order to supply the passengers with a more dense network. This only affects some routes.

Air Europa gets access to a domestic network to feed their intercontinental flights, and Spanair can reduce the fleet without loosing routes.

In Spanish:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/econo.../elpepueco/20090316elpepueco_5/Tes


User currently offlineLXfan From France, joined Feb 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2679 times:

Thanks for the precisions...

Air Europa has a lot of code share agrements with Skyteam airlines, specially Air France, Spanair with Star Alliance, specially Lufthansa. This codeshare must be important for this Airlines, as "feeder" to spain, specialy to Canary.

Interessant to see this collabration between skyteam and star alliance members !


User currently offlineAeroMexico777 From Mexico, joined Oct 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

HI!
Just a little question. Some years ago (2 or 3) I flew with AeroMexico to Barcelona, but the flight was via Madrid. We changed aircraft and flew with Spanair... I was puzzled because Spanair was Star Alliance and AeroMexico Skyteam... Does anyone knows why? Specially thinking that Air Europa was really close to Sky Team at the time..
Regards in advance,
AeroMexico777



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2517 times:



Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 3):
Specially thinking that Air Europa was really close to Sky Team at the time..

Air Europe is not very close to its other Skyteam friends. I haven´t seen any real cooperation between AF/KL and UX oher than on Spanish domestic flights (which benfits AF/KL most). I would imagine they would codeshare on for example MAD-AMS or MAD-CDG but no, they wanted to start their own flights to AMS....


User currently offlineLXfan From France, joined Feb 2009, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2477 times:



Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
I haven´t seen any real cooperation between AF/KL and UX oher than on Spanish domestic flights (which benfits AF/KL most). I would imagine they would codeshare on for example MAD-AMS or MAD-CDG but no, they wanted to start their own flights to AMS....

All the flights spain-france are in codeshare AF/UX


User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2390 times:



Quoting AeroMexico777 (Reply 3):
Just a little question. Some years ago (2 or 3) I flew with AeroMexico to Barcelona, but the flight was via Madrid. We changed aircraft and flew with Spanair... I was puzzled because Spanair was Star Alliance and AeroMexico Skyteam... Does anyone knows why? Specially thinking that Air Europa was really close to Sky Team at the time..
Regards in advance,
AeroMexico777

Sometimes local airlines sign SPA's with all the foreign carriers ad maybe the price difference is some dollars, so in order to get a good schedule they may sell any carrier for their connecting services.

Anyway, these agreements have much to see with the change of JK's management, as UX management has always been closer to IB. But these changes added to the current siuation in the Spanish market have led UX and JK to join their efforts to fight IB and the LCC's on the domestic market.

Given the terminal configuration at MAD and the minimum connecting times, all the connecting traffic was being taken by IB, so it's a wise move to fill the domestic JK flights with UX connecting passengers, and also make UX able to reach more cities through this code share agreement.

It will be ended sooner or later, maybe when JK starts long haul operations, but in he current situation JK and UX need each other,


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