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User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

I was looking at seat guru, and I noticed the ATR-72 isn't on there anymore. Did DL get rid of them. If they did, that's news to me. What happened to them? Were they not practical anymore, because it seems to me they would be more practical than the 340s.


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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Here is what DL has currently (including NW aircrafts): http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...ht/aircraft_types_layout/index.jsp

User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Yes ASA got rid of the last of the ATR fleet little over a year or two ago during the same time MCN was drop.


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

I believe the ATR’s left the fleet December 1, 2008.

User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4135 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 1):
Here is what DL has currently (including NW aircrafts):

But why would they get rid of a bigger prop aircraft to keep a smaller one? I would think that the two are just as efficient (as far as props go) so wouldn't it make sense to hang on to the one with more seats?



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4069 times:



Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 4):
But why would they get rid of a bigger prop aircraft to keep a smaller one? I would think that the two are just as efficient (as far as props go) so wouldn't it make sense to hang on to the one with more seats?

Maybe the decision to get rid of the ATRs was taken before the merger with NW was sealed. I think the merger was sealed in Dec 08. If the ATRs left the fleet at the start of Dec, the decision was definitely taken before the merger approval.

There may be some other reason too.


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Who got DL's ATR-72s?


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User currently offlineDurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

ASA retired the ATR-72's because they were becoming maintenance hogs. I can tell you that other T-props are being looked at but no one type has become the favorite yet.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 6):
Who got DL's ATR-72s?

Most went back to leaser and several are actually stored at the moment pending sell to someone else.

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 5):
Maybe the decision to get rid of the ATRs was taken before the merger with NW was sealed. I think the merger was sealed in Dec 08. If the ATRs left the fleet at the start of Dec, the decision was definitely taken before the merger approval.

Yes the decision was made years ago and were actually delayed for reason I'm not sure of but they finally left service in Dec 08.


User currently offlineAviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

The ASA ATR became very much the MTC hogs, and they always broke down away from a MTC base. Go figure... LOL. Though the crews loved to fly them.

They were high cycle airframes with a heavy "D" MTC check upcoming that would need to be done on the entire fleet.

Quoting Durangomac (Reply 7):
Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 5):
Maybe the decision to get rid of the ATRs was taken before the merger with NW was sealed. I think the merger was sealed in Dec 08. If the ATRs left the fleet at the start of Dec, the decision was definitely taken before the merger approval.

Yes the decision was made years ago and were actually delayed for reason I'm not sure of but they finally left service in Dec 08.

I agree with their statements.


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3794 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 7):
Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 6):
Who got DL's ATR-72s?

Most went back to leaser and several are actually stored at the moment pending sell to someone else.

Did they all go out to BYH (Blytheville, AR) for storage or did they disperse to different locations? The ATR72s haven't been well documented since they left the fleet and it'd be nice to know where they are.

JSD



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3626 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 3):
I believe the ATR’s left the fleet December 1, 2008

Your right. About 5 were floating around in December but they were all gone by the middle of the moth.

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 9):
Did they all go out to BYH (Blytheville, AR) for storage or did they disperse to different locations? The ATR72s haven't been well documented since they left the fleet and it'd be nice to know where they are.

I was going to raise this topic about a week ago but forgot to do the write-up. I would like to know what happened to the ones they owned as well. The ones that didn't belong to Wells Fargo were actually owned by DL not ASA, go figure.



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User currently offlineAviationnut12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Maybe if they had kept them we here on Hilton Head would still have service to ATL......btw, I am just daydreaming. That was my favorite plane and the TO and landing into HXD was the best.


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User currently offlineBhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

These aircraft were sent to HOT. They are sitting there, possibly trying to get sold to a South American carrier. The ones owned by the bank were sent back. The FA Mock Cabin for evacuations is still at the GO in ATL.

User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3264 times:

There were some reports that some of them would be picked up by Indonesian carrier Wings Air (Lion Air's subsidiary) but I am not sure if that will still materialize.


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 7):
Yes the decision was made years ago and were actually delayed for reason I'm not sure of but they finally left service in Dec 08.

ATL-HHH mainly. When Delta figured out they would be getting 49 SF3s then they saw the chance to dump the AT7. To bad the SF3 didn't work on ATL-HHH though.  Sad



yep.
User currently offlineDL752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Here are all of the DL aircraft in the new widget.
Thanks to delta.com:
http://blog.delta.com/page/3/


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Not be pedantic, but Delta Air Lines does not fly, and has never flown, ATR aircraft.

They are/were flown by ASA, a contractor. Delta does not maintain their aircraft, neither does it train or pay the salaries of their crews.

Most of you know this, of course, but people gratuitously lumping the majors in with their regional affiliates is one of those nitpicky things that bugs me. And yes, even when a regional is wholly owned, they are still, for most intents and purposes, entirely separate entities.


PS



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User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2408 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 1):
Here is what DL has currently (including NW aircrafts): http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...x.jsp

Is that me or the data on the A330s range is wrong in this chart?

Ciao
Joe


User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2292 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 17):
Is that me or the data on the A330s range is wrong in this chart?

Aircraft data are always wrong on those charts.

In any case, no aircraft has a fixed range. It depends on weight, altitude, etc.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2262 times:



Quoting Aviateur (Reply 16):
They are/were flown by ASA, a contractor. Delta does not maintain their aircraft, neither does it train or pay the salaries of their crews.

Actually, ASA was once actually owned by Delta. Delta sold ASA to SkyWest in 2005 prior to bankruptcy to cut costs



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User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

[quote=1337Delta764,reply=19]Actually, ASA was once actually owned by Delta. Delta sold ASA to SkyWest in 2005 prior to bankruptcy to cut costs

I am aware of that. But like I said, even wholly-owned subsidiary regionals are generally operated as entirely separate entities.


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User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1819 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
Actually, ASA was once actually owned by Delta. Delta sold ASA to SkyWest in 2005 prior to bankruptcy to cut costs

Prior to I think late 1998, ASA was not owned by Delta. In 1998 there were 12 ATRs. N630AS-637AS and N640AS-643AS. I am not sure who owned the ATRs.

N757KW



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User currently offlineDeltaamtrak058 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1794 times:



Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 9):
Did they all go out to BYH (Blytheville, AR) for storage or did they disperse to different locations? The ATR72s haven't been well documented since they left the fleet and it'd be nice to know where they are.

About 2 or so months ago I last saw 5? in MCN in front of a hangar on a corner of the field, it is viewable from a nearby road.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1781 times:



Quoting N757KW (Reply 21):

If that's the case, were did the 500 numbered ATRs come from? As far as ownership, not sure when they changed hands but up to their retirement, a handful were owned by DL and the rest were on lease. None were under ASA.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1714 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 23):
f that's the case, were did the 500 numbered ATRs come from?

I believe those came from Mount Cook Airlines in New Zealand. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

N757KW



"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
25 DurangoMac : The date to stop AT7 service to HHH was made before NW was even in the picture. I would say that it was possibly decided while still in bankruptcy, t
26 Cubsrule : That is correct. 530-536 all came from NM.
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