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Turkish Airlines Orders 7 Airbus A330-300  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

No crisis, crash, Boeing 787 or A350 promises seems to stop A330 sales.

http://www.newsday.com/airbus-wins-t...irlines-order-for-7-jets-1.1376590

Proven 250-300 seaters with low CASM, engine choice and a big cargo belly and you can get them next yr..

[Edited 2009-08-18 08:50:43]

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User currently offlineNicoEDDF From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10208 times:



Quote:
Airlines often negotiate substantial discounts to the listed prices of planes, and the financial details of this order were not disclosed.

Which implies that Airbus is only to sell Aircraft due to substantially discounting from catalogue prices?  Wink

Quote:
Turkish Airlines has firmed up a preliminary order for seven Airbus 289-seat A330-300s, worth a total of €1.4 billion ($1.97 billion) at catalog prices.

Last month, Turkish Airlines finalized an order for seven extended range Boeing 777-300s worth $1.9 billion at list prices.

Which means, 7 A333 have the same catalogue price than 7 B77W? Find that hard to believe. The 777 is the way more capable long haul lifter, I can't see the A333 being more expensive by 70 million USD.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Great!
It was an order for 5 x 333s and 2 x 332s plus 3 options.
I wonder what this 7 firm 333s do to that?. By the way TK chose Trent 700EPs earlier for them.
And this is on top of the 12 x 773ERs they confirmed lately.
All these will start to arrive in IST in about 14 months from now and will more than double TK's wide body capacity.
From what we know, TK will not have F class in these new WBs, and will have economy, economy plus and business.
Couple of questions:
-Anyone has any info about the layout of these new birds?
-Anyone knows about the exact delivery dates?

Thanks and congrats to both Airbus and TK!


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10162 times:
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Average list for an A330-300 in 2008 was $201 million USD per Airbus.

Average list for a 777-300ER today is $272 million USD per Boeing.


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10040 times:

Bet this has made your day, Keesje. Rather your week. Rather your month.

How many A330/A340 sales (not intentions or options to buy) does that make this year? I'm sure you will know. Smile


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9954 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Proven 250-300 seaters with low CASM, engine choice and a big cargo belly and you can get them next yr..

That recipe is sure to find some more orders in the coming years.  Wink


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9856 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
It was an order for 5 x 333s and 2 x 332s plus 3 options.
I wonder what this 7 firm 333s do to that?.

Presumably they've simply decided to make the whole A330 order for -300s.

When will the first A340s be retired?

Are they also looking at 100 regional types?

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 5):
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Proven 250-300 seaters with low CASM, engine choice and a big cargo belly and you can get them next yr..

That recipe is sure to find some more orders in the coming years.

Absolutely - and so well deserved. The A330 reminds me of the 757 in that way; remember that for the first few years, essentially until the UA/AA orders in the late 1980s, the 757 was oretty much in the doldrums and then, whoosh. The A330 is also doing considerably better, particularly for a large aircraft type. Total sales for the A330 (per the Airbus site) is 1,022 - not far off total sales of the 757.


User currently offlineOsteogenesis From Germany, joined May 2003, 647 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9845 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Average list for an A330-300 in 2008 was $201 million USD per Airbus.

Average list for a 777-300ER today is $272 million USD per Boeing.

Inflation is very noticable when you see these prices. I remember how when I was a child a 747 would cost less the $100 million USD.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

The sudden demand for A330-300 great.

User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9767 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 2):
It was an order for 5 x 333s and 2 x 332s plus 3 options.
I wonder what this 7 firm 333s do to that?. By the way TK chose Trent 700EPs earlier for them.
And this is on top of the 12 x 773ERs they confirmed lately.
All these will start to arrive in IST in about 14 months from now and will more than double TK's wide body capacity.

This has only one meaning to me that after I complete my 2 year service in A320,I will be a captain in 777 in 2 or 3 years later,which sounds great place to be at the age of 36-37.



Widen your world
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

Turkish really seems to be growing fast. Are they setting up a similar idea to the Middle East carriers, creating a connecting hub between Europe, Asia and Africa?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9718 times:
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Quoting Wing (Reply 9):
which sounds great place to be at the age of 36-37

It sure is a great place in my opinion. But you could also become captain on the A330, right?  Smile


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9543 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 6):
When will the first A340s be retired?

First 340s to go will be ex-JM birds in 2014 when their lease is up. 2015 will be when TK owned 343s might start to depart about 2 a year.

Are they also looking at 100 regional types?

Well, when visiting China TK said something like that but I don't take it too seriously. TK is looking for 50 single aisles, and I have a feeling we might see an order before the end of the year, if not, next year.
Oh by the way, TK has to solve the congestion problem in IST by then.


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9323 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Reply 11):
It sure is a great place in my opinion. But you could also become captain on the A330, right?

Which would be also wonderful,I sure would prefer A330 after A320,a captains transition takes less then 2 weeks to the type and the future of A330 fleet would probably be A350 later but the seniority kind of shows me to the direction of 777.



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4864 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9272 times:
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Quoting Wing (Reply 13):
Quoting EPA001 (Reply 11):
It sure is a great place in my opinion. But you could also become captain on the A330, right?

Which would be also wonderful,I sure would prefer A330 after A320,a captains transition takes less then 2 weeks to the type and the future of A330 fleet would probably be A350 later but the seniority kind of shows me to the direction of 777.

Well, whatever type of plane you'll be captain on in the near future is not even that important. That you are flying these big birds (or soon will do so) professionally is quite a big thing already.  Wink


User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1574 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9187 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 12):
Well, when visiting China TK said something like that but I don't take it too seriously

Thats correct,A very top government official said that,
he said we are interested in chinese RJ's when visiting China,
he said we are interested in Embraer RJ's when visiting Brazil,
he said we are interested in Canadair RJ's when visiting Canada,
and he said "one minüte" after saying all these........



Widen your world
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9137 times:



Quoting Wing (Reply 15):

Ha, ha...
I guess you have to give it to the guy, he is consistent.

At least he is matured a bit. (we hope!) He is not pulling some of his older tricks.
Remember the last time, after issuing the big order with Airbus he asked for a freebie 319, for his presidential jet, like a true carpet salesman.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8884 times:



Quoting Wing (Reply 15):
nd he said "one minüte" after saying all these........

 bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup 

Quoting TK787 (Reply 16):
like a true carpet salesman.

True! More a bazaar salesman than a Prime Minister...  banghead 


User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8245 times:



Quoting Wing (Reply 15):
he said we are interested in chinese RJ's when visiting China,
he said we are interested in Embraer RJ's when visiting Brazil,
he said we are interested in Canadair RJ's when visiting Canada,

With a fleet of A319/A320/A321/A332/A333/A343/B734/B737/B738/B77W... I'm sure all those RJ's will be nice addition. Why, oh why did you get rid of those Avro RJ's!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Turkish really seems to be growing fast. Are they setting up a similar idea to the Middle East carriers, creating a connecting hub between Europe, Asia and Africa?

I believe that's the ambition. TK "Feels Like a Star" ads have been running non-stop for at least a year now, they're getting so annoying it's crazy.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7878 times:



Quoting Borism (Reply 18):
I believe that's the ambition. TK "Feels Like a Star" ads have been running non-stop for at least a year now, they're getting so annoying it's crazy.

Well, they are better located. Less out of the way than Dubai, not as hot.

As an example, DUS-IST-CAN is an hour shorter than DUS-DXB-CAN but can still be flown with A market aircraft.

Connecting into Africa, you can cut off 1000nm.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1452 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

IST is already a mess currently. I can't imagine what it will look like when the new 777s and 333s arrive. The airport needs a massive face lift. Maybe it's time TK moves more flights to SAW or eventually a third airport.

With higher capacity and shorter range, I guess the 333s are ordered primarily for routes like BOM, DEL, NBO,LOS, DXB and summer high demand European routes right?

Which new routes do you think TK will open with the arrival of the new aircraft? IAD, LAX, SFO, KUL, CAN and maybe eventually MEL and SYD?



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

My 2 cents: A330's while waiting for A350's as I stated a few months ago.
I don't see a A330/B777 fleet making any sense unless the B777's are to be replaced at later stage by A350's. I also expect TK to take the larger variants -900/-1000.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6046 times:



Quoting NCB (Reply 21):
I don't see a A330/B777 fleet making any sense

TG, KE, CX, AC, SQ have 333/773 fleets, maybe TK could learn from them?
333s to destinations around 4000nm, 773s to destinations longer/busier.


User currently offlineNCB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

AC is as we are well-aware, not an example of a profitable airline.

KE, AC, SQ, TG and CX operate (or intend to operate) fleets of A330/B777 of at least 20 aircraft each.

TK's order is for 2 fleets not reaching 20 aircraft.

They've also got a mixed fleet A320/B737 but about 50 of each, so that makes sense.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5819 times:



Quoting NCB (Reply 21):
I don't see a A330/B777 fleet making any sense

What are you talking about? The A330/77W is an excelent combination. The 77W is much larger and has greater range thus is usefull for long haul high capacity routes. The A332 can be used for long thin routes or to start new destinations. And the A333 is an excelent medium-haul, high capacity aircraft for regional routes.


25 JoKeR : Tell EK that, I'm sure they won't agree.... or QR or EY... Could not have said it better!
26 CX flyboy : Why are we even comparing 77W and A333? They are not even the same plane doing the same job. They are totally different!
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