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AA MIA Ops, Winter 09/10  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

I put this information together for myself to keep track of AA's ops, and though I'd share some of it.

In total, American Airlines, American Eagle and Executive Airlines will operate service to 107 airports non-stop. Only two destinations - Jacksonville and Nashville - have service overlapping between two of the three. The remaining 105 are served exclusively by one of three operators. Only one of those 107 destinations is seasonal - Eagle County, Colorado. Only eight of them do not have daily service.

This year AA adds five new destinations - Charleston, Governor's Harbor, Knoxville, North Eleuthera and Treasure Cay. AA also resumes non-stop service to Phoenix. Compared to last winter, however, service to Cozumel has been suspended.

American Airlines has an average of 38,366 seats a day on a total of 1564 flights a week to 84 airports (average of 223 daily departures). All five Boeings in AA's fleet - 738, 757, 762, 763 and 772 - operate to MIA.

American Eagle has an average of 1,036 seats a day on a total of 145 flights a week to 15 airports (average of 21 daily departures). All flights operate with ERJ-145.

Executive Airlines has an average of 2,048 seats a day on a total of 224 flights a week to 10 airports (average of 32 daily departures). All flights operate with ATR-72.

That is a total of 276 flights a day and 41,450 seats a day. If I am not mistaken, AA is now at a record for number of daily departures from MIA, which peaked at around 270 in the late 1990s when AA had an extensive, high-frequency regional network that was dismantled in the late 1990s.

Top 15 Domestic Destinations, total average daily seats, each way:

1) New York City - 3,313 (1,800 to LGA, 949 to JFK, 564 to EWR)
2) Washington, D.C. - 1,924(1,332 to DCA, 296 to IAD, 296 to BWI)
3) Chicago O'Hare - 1,840
4) Dallas - 1,737
5) Los Angeles - 1,407
6) Orlando - 1,316
7) San Juan - 1,196
8) Tampa - 928
9) Boston - 752
10) San Francisco - 638
11) Atlanta - 592
12) Las Vegas - 524
13) Key West - 448
14) Houston - 444
14) New Orleans - 444
14) Philadelphia - 444
14) Raleigh - 444
15) St. Louis - 376
15) St. Thomas - 376

Top 10 International destinations, total average daily seats, each way:

1) Sao Paulo - 805
2) Santo Domingo - 789
3) Caracas - 752
4) San Jose, CR - 712
5) Nassau - 704
6) Cancun - 632
7) Lima - 601
8) Port Au Prince - 598*
9) Montego Bay - 524
9) Panama City - 524
10) Buenos Aires - 490

*Note: PAP is a unique market that receives very little connecting traffic. AA's South Florida PAP operations are split between MIA and FLL. AA also operates two daily FLL-PAP flights with 296 seats each way, which makes PAP AA's heaviest served international route from South Florida with 894 daily seats each way.

[Edited 2009-08-18 23:39:58]


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Very interesting information to say the least. It seems like MIA has been doing quite well for AA (or always has been I suspect). For several obvious reasons but one being the staggering O&D VFR traffic that they generate. Lots of these travelers still uses travel agents and pays with cash which is always a good thing for the airlines when they can cut out cc holdings/ receipts Big grin .

I could only imagine that for stations like MIA and many others, an a/c like the CR9 or E170 would be a God-send but that's an entirely different topic.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7455 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

Out of curiousity, where do AA's ops ex MIA to KIN, MBJ, BGI and POS come in on the list of international destinations by seats?

AA1818

[Edited 2009-08-19 00:07:55]


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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1775 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7440 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Top 10 International destinations, total average daily seats, each way:

1) Sao Paulo - 805
2) Santo Domingo - 789
3) Caracas - 752
4) San Jose, CR - 712
5) Nassau - 704
6) Cancun - 632
7) Lima - 601
8) Port Au Prince - 598*
9) Montego Bay - 524
9) Panama City - 524
10) Buenos Aires - 490

Thanks for sharing.

I'm surprised BOG does not make the cut. And IIRC SDQ was the #1 destination for many years until they added an additional 777 to GRU last year or this year. Besides PAP, what is the are the other highest O/D destinations? I'd assume CCS or NAS.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2990 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

great work, how long did it take to put all this information together?

are there no MDs flying to/from MIA?


User currently offlineAA757MIA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7390 times:



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 4):
are there no MDs flying to/from MIA?

Nope, they stopped MD-80 service at MIA in late 2005.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3866 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
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Quoting AA757MIA (Reply 5):
are there no MDs flying to/from MIA?

Nope, they stopped MD-80 service at MIA in late 2005.

And the last A300 is leaving before the end of this month, which is very soon. So MIA will see only four types as of Sept 1st 09:
B738
B752
B762/763ER
B772
The MIA-JFK flight will see only 757's and 767's.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Great information shared here, very interesting too. The 3rd daily to LIM starting FEB09 is already in SABRE; its bookable. So is the 2nd FLL-PAP afternoon departure. It is awful the A300 is leaving; no more comfortable widebody aisles on short/medium haul.  Sad

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8420 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7103 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Top 10 International destinations, total average daily seats, each way:

1) Sao Paulo - 805
2) Santo Domingo - 789
3) Caracas - 752
4) San Jose, CR - 712
5) Nassau - 704
6) Cancun - 632
7) Lima - 601
8) Port Au Prince - 598*
9) Montego Bay - 524
9) Panama City - 524
10) Buenos Aires - 490

Would love to know the numbers to Santiago Chile, London and BOG.


User currently onlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 465 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6821 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
Would love to know the numbers to Santiago Chile, London and BOG

SCL : 219
BOG: 413
LHR: 246 daily. 492 on THU, FRI, SAT

rgds



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6820 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):
Lots of these travelers still uses travel agents and pays with cash which is always a good thing for the airlines when they can cut out cc holdings/ receipts Big grin .

Indeed. AA still operates three CTOs in Miami - in downtown Miami, downtown Coral Gables and in Fort Lauderdale, as well as a contracted CTO in Little Haiti - to cater to this.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 7):
no more comfortable widebody aisles on short/medium haul. Sad

763s will operate MIA-MGA, MIA-SDQ, MIA-PAP, MIA-GYE, MIA-LIM and MIA-BOG, in addition to MIA-JFK, MIA-DFW and MIA-ORD.

I'll have the numbers people requested later this afternoon.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6661 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Top 10 International destinations, total average daily seats, each way:

1) Sao Paulo - 805

Sounds excessive again. I hope to be wrong, but in my view 600 daily seats in average would be a perfect number and anything higher will just drive yields down.
I'm flying to Rio on friday and despite good numbers on Y, the 3 772 flights to Sao Paulo together wont fill one 772 cabin on J and F.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6635 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
I'm flying to Rio on friday and despite good numbers on Y, the 3 772 flights to Sao Paulo together wont fill one 772 cabin on J and F.

You don't know the loads. You cannot determine that. Seat maps are not indications of loadfactor, as much as you would love them to be.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2932 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6637 times:

Too bad we don't see flights like MIA-SAN, MIA-SEA, MIA-MXP and MIA-BCN to the list above. Perhaps next winter.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 6594 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 2):

Out of curiousity, where do AA's ops ex MIA to KIN, MBJ, BGI and POS come in on the list of international destinations by seats?

KIN ties with a bunch of others for 11th with 444. MBJ should be on that list with 524, in 10th. POS is in 12th with BOG (413 seats); BGI tied with a bunch for 15th (376).

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):

Would love to know the numbers to Santiago Chile, London and BOG.

225, 341.4 and 413.



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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6179 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
1) New York City - 3,313 (1,800 to LGA, 949 to JFK, 564 to EWR)
2) Washington, D.C. - 1,924(1,332 to DCA, 296 to IAD, 296 to BWI)
3) Chicago O'Hare - 1,840
4) Dallas - 1,737
5) Los Angeles - 1,407

So ORD has more seats from MIA than any other airport for AA. Wow.


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6004 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
All five Boeings in AA's fleet - 738, 757, 762, 763 and 772 - operate to MIA

- What crews (typed by aircraft) are based or domiciled out of MIA? I know back in the day that MIA had a fairly good sized crew base for the 727-200s.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
AA's South Florida PAP operations are split between MIA and FLL

- But the rest of the numbers indicate MIA movements, right?

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Top 15 Domestic Destinations, total average daily seats, each way

- I miss the days when IND was on that list. It was a great connection airport to fly somewhere in the islands!

Thank you for putting together the number.

David



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6005 times:



Quoting _AA_777_MAN (Reply 15):
So ORD has more seats from MIA than any other airport for AA.

Chicago is the third largest domestic O&D market from South Florida after New York and D.C., plus its a hub route with four daily widebodies, so not that surprising.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 16):
- I miss the days when IND was on that list. It was a great connection airport to fly somewhere in the islands!

AA flies MIA-IND daily with an ERJ-140, soon to be ERJ-145.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 16):
- But the rest of the numbers indicate MIA movements, right?

Yes.



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5952 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
AA flies MIA-IND daily with an ERJ-140, soon to be ERJ-145

- Are those Chautauqua (or one of the other two Republic Airways Holdings airlines) operations? I so, the crews would probably be based out of IND, right?

David



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5948 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 18):

- Are those Chautauqua (or one of the other two Republic Airways Holdings airlines) operations? I so, the crews would probably be based out of IND, right?

No. It is operated by Chicago-based MQ crews.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5894 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
KIN ties with a bunch of others for 11th with 444. MBJ should be on that list with 524, in 10th. POS is in 12th with BOG (413 seats); BGI tied with a bunch for 15th (376).

Thanks for the numbers. Good to see healthy seat numbers for POS, BGI and KIN, especially MBJ! One can only hope that those routes continue to grow and pull in strong revenues for AA. Last Summer AA ran 18 weekly to POS- 11x 757 and 1x 763, whereas this summer they kept capacity at 2 daily with 7x 757 and 7x 763.

AA1818



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Interesting stuff MAH!


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3391 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5667 times:

Is the 763 on MIA-LGA a long-term addition?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33029 posts, RR: 71
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5667 times:



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 22):
Is the 763 on MIA-LGA a long-term addition?

763s operate MIA-LGA AA1256 or AA1124 all the time as equipment subs. I've had it happen to me three times.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5651 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 16):
- What crews (typed by aircraft) are based or domiciled out of MIA?

For September, MIA pilot crew base is planned at (CA / FO):

777I -- 82 / 141
767I -- 218 / 275
767D -- 58 / 54
737I -- 151 / 141
737D -- 102 / 91



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25 Post contains links MAH4546 : Today AA announced additional service to San Juan and Kingston, and larger aircraft to San Pedro Sula: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...th-prnew
26 Hardiwv : Thanks for the very interesting numbers. GRU dominates international long-haul (wide-body operated aircraft), followed only by EZE which handles half
27 MAH4546 : AA was planning on adding a third daily last year, but that was put on hold. AA rather limit capacity for now, especially considering all other airli
28 OB1504 : Does AA still plan to put a 777 on one of its BOG flights?
29 Cubsrule : The ORD-SFL service on AA is also much more skewed toward MIA than it is at DFW; ORD-FLL has only one daily flight, while DFW-FLL has five.
30 DFWEagle : When the winter schedule in question takes effect, ORD-FLL will have 3 daily flights (3x 738).
31 Cubsrule : Correct, and DFW will have six.
32 MCOflyer : How many people are on reserve? KH
33 Jfk777 : BOG is to close to Miami to make full use of the premiun cabins in the 777 and not that many more seats then a 763ER. With the departure of A300's BO
34 LipeGIG : Very smart approach at EZE. AA limits capacity and gets better yields. Considering also the competition (AR), AA is on a very good position.
35 JDAirCEO : Since the A300 has been so integral to MIA ops here is a thought... We all know airlines like to have as few aircraft types as possible and as few var
36 MAH4546 : Because it severely reduces flexibility. AA is not willing to do that. Besides, its not as if AA minds. Less Y seats in the market drives up yield, a
37 JDAirCEO : Mark- I agree with you, I have zero anticipation that AA will create a sub-fleet and I agree that one may be created once the 78s come on-board but to
38 Vincewy : Is AA limited based on frequencies or total seat capacities? If it's the former, I wonder if this will force AA to get at least 773 to meet the deman
39 Hardiwv : Thanks for the info. Any reason? Why would AA give such important market to LAN? Something AA cannot do in GRU because of TAM competition, although A
40 Post contains links OP3000 : This newspaper article printed today mentions new frequencies on MIA-SJO, MIA-KIN, MIA-SJU, MIA-LIM and FLL-PAP. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business.
41 MAH4546 : AA and LAN have ATI between the U.S. and both Chile and Peru. Nothing is given up.
42 Post contains links AirJamaica : " target=_blank>http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...story Here is some more detailed information re AA's planned additions from its MIA hub: http:
43 ElmoTheHobo : Both, depending on how the Venezuelan authorities feel at the time. A 773 would be too much aircraft. More frequencies or 767 sized aircraft would so
44 AirJamaica : " target=_blank>http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...&.v=1 My bad. Didn't realise this link was already posted in reply 25.[Edited 2009-08-22 09:25:
45 MIASkies : Good news... Will SJU be only served with 738's and 757's? or will they add a 763 on certain days?
46 Cubsrule : It looks like it's pretty consistently 8 daily, 6 752 and 2 738.
47 LipeGIG : I disagree, considering high season DOT numbers for 01 and 02/2009.
48 MAH4546 : The premium loads AA receives on MIA-GRU demand the use of 772s. A 772 is not needed on the daylight, but the a 772 is used for utilization purposes.
49 Hardiwv : I fully agree, the focus of AA on MIA-GRU is capturing premium market demand therefore load numbers would only make sense in case we had the proper b
50 LACA773 : Mark, Since AA doesn't have a consistent premium product on their LAX-MIA flights with 73Hs, 752s, 763s & 772s doing this route, is there a chance thi
51 MAH4546 : Extremely unlikely. There are not enough 762s to go around and part of the variety is to move planes between two important AA stations. There is also
52 Ckfred : MAH4546, It appears that AA has 763s on ORD-MIA through mid-February. Will flying revert to all 757s then, or might the 763s stay on through spring br
53 B6flyboy : I have to say that I do miss the FLL - SJU flights...living like 10 minutes away from FLL made it easy to get to the airport....Down to MIA now and ex
54 SJOtoLIR : Same with San Jose, Costa Rica where the market share to South Florida has been divided into AA SJO-MIA 3x daily with 757 and AA SJO-FLL 1x daily wit
55 MAH4546 : Nothing past 10FEB10 is really set yet in terms of equipment. AA has no problem keeping capacity to MGA tight and yields sky-high. PTY is a business
56 UPPERDECKFAN : Can you detail current AA's MIA-Venezuela ops? (a/c and timing), thanks in advance I wouldn't even bet for the number of current frequencies to be ke
57 MAH4546 : AA 1288 SJU-MIA / 1297 MIA-SJU will be a 763.
58 Cubsrule : What dates are you looking at?
59 DFWEagle : The extra MIA-SJU frequencies are effective February 11th, same as the extra MIA-LIM/SJO flights. As it says in the article, this eighth daily flight
60 Cubsrule : FWIW, that's actually a decrease in available seats; it's 8x daily for the entire month of January.
61 DFWEagle : I don’t know where you are looking, but I can only see 7x daily flights in January. I have not heard any mention of any extra flights being added b
62 Cubsrule : I think it is seven. Oneworld's timetable shows an LA codeshare departure at 1030 on a 752 but no corresponding AA departure. I assume that's just an
63 DFWEagle : Yeah, I see it now, quite odd. I guess maybe LAN has not updated their code-share schedule to reflect the changes AA has made to its schedule. That f
64 Cubsrule : I think that's exactly what happened.
65 UPPERDECKFAN : AFAIK AA's CCS-JFK was 1xweek for quite a while but at the end cut for good, am I wrong? has been kept as 1xweek just to keep traffic rights a la CCS
66 MAH4546 : JFK-CCS operates year-round on FrSu with increased frequency during peak travel.
67 DFWEagle : AA still flies JFK-CCS. The frequency is 2x weekly. Here’s the schedule -: AA975 JFK 1730 CCS 2205 757 FrSu AA976 CCS 1225 JFK 1800 757 SaMo
68 LACA773 : Thanks, Mark for your take on this. Makes sense.
69 UPPERDECKFAN : Is there a reason for such a late departure out of CCS when the a/c overnights there?
70 SurfandSnow : Aren't Montevideo (nonstop) and Santa Cruz, Bolivia (nonstop) also seasonal? Which markets are these? Though you probably had VERY little local traff
71 MAH4546 : No. Montevideo will not operate for a few weeks this fall, but that's a one-off. It is year-round. The Santa Cruz non-stops operate year-round. CNF,
72 DFWEagle : I tend to think that AA should put a 738 on MIA-CZM, even if it could not be a daily flight. Also, I really think that RTB (Roatan, Honduras) is a hu
73 SJOtoLIR : It might be. TA regularly flies SAL-RTB-MIA 1x weekly with 320 and that demonstrates the existence of such demand. Regards.
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