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First BA A318 Had It's First Flight Today  
User currently offlineSralfalo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 29872 times:
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MSN 4007, the first Babybus for British Airways, had it's first flight today during which it performed a touch & go on HAM's runway 15 before heading back to XFW where it landed safely.
Picture: http://www.aviation-community.de/for....php?f=8&t=6259&view=unread#unread
BA will use two A318's (Business Class only) on the new route LCY-JFK with a fuel stop at SNN on the westbound leg. Eastbound will be nonstop. BA001 will take off for the first time on september 29th.

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User currently offlineLHRlocal From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 29706 times:

When will they be delivered to BA?

User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1784 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29445 times:

31st August 2009 G-EUNA delivery.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10728 posts, RR: 38
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29435 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Thread starter):
BA001 will take off for the first time on september 29th.

wow this is interesting!

Is it taking a BA Concorde flight number BA002/001?

This should be a most interesting "First to Fly" experience for the lucky passengers who will be opn board both inward and outward flights!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSralfalo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 29211 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Is it taking a BA Concorde flight number BA002/001?

Yes, as the Times Online wrote:
The choice of flight numbers will surprise some aviation enthusiasts – BA001 was previously used by Concorde until its retirement in 2003.

Quoted from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/business/article6554715.ece


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 29160 times:

And once again the press get it wrong! The Times pic is an A319.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10728 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 29131 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Reply 4):
Yes, as the Times Online wrote:
The choice of flight numbers will surprise some aviation enthusiasts – BA001 was previously used by Concorde until its retirement in 2003.

I thought the flight numbers looked very familiar!

They better make them really good flights then!!  airplane   airplane 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSralfalo From Germany, joined Nov 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 29082 times:
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Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 5):
And once again the press get it wrong! The Times pic is an A319.

At the time the article has been published no photograph of a BA A318 was available.


User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28968 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Reply 7):
At the time the article has been published no photograph of a BA A318 was available.

Then they shouldn't have labelled the image "A318"


User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1896 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28856 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Thread starter):
BA will use two A318's (Business Class only) on the new route LCY-JFK with a fuel stop at SNN on the westbound leg.

What's the point of a business person using the downtown airport if it's a one stop flight?
Might as well go to LHR and go direct to anywhere, no?



They're not handing trophies out today
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 28799 times:



Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 9):
What's the point of a business person using the downtown airport if it's a one stop flight?
Might as well go to LHR and go direct to anywhere, no?

Much discussed already on old threads.

O&D will drive this flight. Customs and immigration in SNN inbound to JFK while the aircraft is being fueled, thereby bypassing delays at JFK. Much quicker for people who are in the area of LCY already.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 28571 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Thread starter):
Picture: http://www.aviation-community.de/for...nread

Is that a german flag that I see on the tail of BA's babybus? Why?


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 28562 times:



Quoting EbbUK (Reply 11):
Is that a german flag that I see on the tail of BA's babybus? Why?

All German registered aircraft have to show the German flag, which is usually placed next to the registration and as the aircraft remains property of Airbus until its handover to British Airways, it has to on the German register...



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7257 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 27646 times:



Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 9):
What's the point of a business person using the downtown airport if it's a one stop flight?

Fifteen minute taxi City of London to LCY. One hour taxi City of London to LHR.

Fifteen minute before departure check in LCY. Two hour before departure check in LHR.

Max 32 passengers to clear USA immigration and customs during short refueling stop SNN on LCY-SNN-JFK route. Queue for hours (?) for customs and immigration with hundreds of other passengers arriving on your and other aircraft when travellin LHR-JFK.

Elapsed time LCY-SNN-LHR 9 hours 25 minutes. Elapsed time LHR-JFK 7 hours 30 minutes.

Saving on LCY route 35 minutes plus total (unpredictable) time on LHR route from disembarkation at JFK to clearing US customs and immigration.

And, of course, without the refueling stop the return journey is even better.


User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27382 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Thread starter):
MSN 4007, the first Babybus for British Airways, had it's first flight today during which it performed a touch & go on HAM's runway 15 before heading back to XFW where it landed safely.
Picture: http://www.aviation-community.de/for....php?f=8&t=6259&view=unread#unread
BA will use two A318's (Business Class only) on the new route LCY-JFK with a fuel stop at SNN on the westbound leg. Eastbound will be nonstop. BA001 will take off for the first time on september 29th.

Thanks for the post. That is one good-looking bird!  airplane 


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27405 times:



Quoting Sralfalo (Reply 7):
At the time the article has been published no photograph of a BA A318 was available.

No photos, but at least there were these..... Smile


http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...318/images/8661/ba-airbus-a318.jpg

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/airbusa318/images/8669/ba-airbus-a318.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace...318/images/8669/ba-airbus-a318.jpg



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27346 times:
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Thankyou for posting the photo. It appears to not have an over the wing exit? Am I missing something or has it not been installed yet?

User currently offlineTimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27312 times:

VV701: Customs is totally random, I arrived on a little Q400 at YVR and waited almost 90 minutes in customs because the flight just happened to arrive after a bunch of heavies landed late from Asia. Been to KUL on a full 747 and waited almost zero at customs. Capacity of single plane has little to do with customs waits.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15470 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27261 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Is it taking a BA Concorde flight number BA002/001?

I believe I read somewhere that it will. I don't like it. Letting BA1 be used for any other flight is like the Chicago Bears letting someone wear 34. It just isn't right.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 26807 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
I believe I read somewhere that it will. I don't like it. Letting BA1 be used for any other flight is like the Chicago Bears letting someone wear 34. It just isn't right.

It just doesn't seem special enough, does it? I wish they could give the A318s a special scheme or something. Like a "whoosh" or a "speed" paint scheme to hark back to the Concorde era without doing something cheesy such as painting a Concorde on the side...



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25532 times:

.
Why not LGA.

LGA is more "downtown" than JFK or is it that BA dosn´t have slots there?

Good Luck BA!

//Mike  wave 



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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25475 times:

Might be BA001 (and I'm pleased to see it back...all airlines should have a 001) but the boarding announcement won't be the same:

"British Airways wishes to invite passengers to board flight BA001, Concorde supersonic service to New York"...now that really made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25429 times:



Quoting Timpdx (Reply 17):
VV701: Customs is totally random, I arrived on a little Q400 at YVR and waited almost 90 minutes in customs because the flight just happened to arrive after a bunch of heavies landed late from Asia

How does that compare to SNN and LCY? In the former there are very few trans-Atlantic flights pre-clearing, and all leave earlier than the SNN arrives, and the latter where almost all flights arrive from within the EU and have no customs immigrations.

The BA A318 passengers, in both airports, will likely be the only ones going through customs at the time, every single day.

There is no customs/immigration at JFK.



a.
User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25386 times:

So BA is going with CFM powerplants for the A318. What a subfleet! Why didn't the go with P&W?

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15470 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25321 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 20):
Why not LGA.

Perimeter rule. No flight may go beyond a 1500 mile radius from LGA, except on Saturdays.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
25 NewYorkCityBoi : I don't know why many people in here like to think that LGA is more convenient compare to JFK and EWR. Lots of New Yorkers prefer JFK and EWR because
26 Bongodog1964 : P&W would still be a subfleet, as the other A32 series have IAE engines, which are only partly P&W
27 Post contains links N14AZ : Here is another shot: http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=617 When were these A318s ordered? Wasn't too long ago, right? P
28 Post contains links VHTJE : Correct. BA's website has the seat maps already uploaded: http://www.britishairways.com/travel/seatcwlc/public/en_gb Only 8 rows, no over-wing emerge
29 Jpiddink : Nice artwork, but am I correct in assuming it will rarely be on that very spot in normal service: taking off from LCY runway 28, and then heading lef
30 Shankly : So should have the "feel" of the upper deck on the 747.
31 BmiBaby737 : It's there, it's just not in operation.
32 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Just saw that there is already a picture in our database, taken yesterday (!). Thanks Mr. Block! View Large View MediumPhoto © Kai Block
33 JerseyFlyer : Is the PW option available with ETOPS? With only 15 PW 318s flying with LAN over land maybe not?
34 Post contains images DEVILFISH : You be the judge.....   [Edited 2009-08-20 04:08:55]
35 LY777 : Honestly, I would prefer flying Biz Class on a 744/777 rather than on a plane that needs a fuel stop...
36 APYu : For the people using the service their decision will be based on time rather than aircraft preference
37 Zhutton : Personally, I think that the Concorde flight numbers should be permanently retired, Concorde marked an era for BA, and when Concorde flew nearly every
38 GDB : The idea is that the market for this service, is very close to LCY, not having to traverse across Lindon to get to LHR. Naturally, many doubted after
39 A318 : Does anyone know how they are going to crew this bird? Two up front and three in the back?
40 Speedmarque : Correct, although subject to agreement.
41 HAWK21M : Looks great.Awaiting the cabin pics soon. regds MEL.
42 AireuropeF100 : According to a Gatwick forum the plane will be delivered to LGW on the 28th or 31st August. I believe it will be maintained at LGW going forward due t
43 Post contains links Gemuser : See Reply 44 in this thread: BA LCY Fleet A318's And Embraers (by BAfan Aug 19 2009 in Civil Aviation) Gemuser
44 Post contains links Viscount724 : May 27, 2008. http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...08_05_27_british_airways_a318.html
45 Post contains links VV701 : Significantly before then. British Airways announced the order in a Press Release dated 1 February 2008. It was titled "Business flights take off fro
46 Viscount724 : Manufacturers usually don't announce orders until they are final. I expect there were still some loose ends at the time of the initial BA press relea
47 413x3 : What are prices going to be for that flight round trip?
48 BMIFlyer : Just did a couple of random checks..... Trip 1: Outbound LCY - JFK on Sept 29th, rtn JFK - LCY Sept 30th = £ 4,934.80 all in. Trip 2: Outbound LCY-
49 VV701 : Early flights following the launch are reported to be full or nearly full. And the lowest price on a nearly full flight will be high. And the price a
50 TristarSteve : The delivery flight of UNA is scheduled for Friday 28 Aug BA9261E should arrive at LGW at 1710Z.
51 CHRISBA777ER : Why couldnt they buy the Frontier A318 that they are scrapping? A two year old babybus being scrapped - so sad. Surely BA could have picked two up che
52 EcuadorianMD11 : Good thinking............why not indeed?? Ecuadorian MD11.
53 Johruk : I do not think the flight is operating then. Looking at Worldspan there is no operation on Friday or Sat on the following: 1.X56 #BA 2 J C D R I JFKL
54 VV701 : My recollection - please correct me if I am mistaken - is that to get type approval for the 5.5 degree approach to LCY the 318 used was modified. If
55 TristarSteve : The first A318 is going traing at Manston on 3 and 4 Sep, and will operate its first training flight into LCY on 4 Sep arriving at 1800Z.
56 CHRISBA777ER : Surely its just a software thing? I cant imagine they differ in terms of hardware - bigger spoilers etc? Perhaps bigger, heavier brakes, and a tweake
57 TristarSteve : The only hardware change is the pushbutton on the overhead panel. The rest is software and computors. Suppose if the Frontier was for sale 18months a
58 Theginge : As has been said, it would have needed to come on the market a year or so ago for BA to be able to consider it.
59 Post contains links GCT64 : Flightglobal http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...318-arrives-at-london-gatwick.html says that the aircraft will go to Lyneham (rather than Manston
60 Rutankrd : Like to see it do a Khe Sanh approach now thats steep !
61 VV701 : Thanks for the link. Found the last paragraph a little intriguing: "While the aircraft’s cabin interior is already complete, British Airways is kee
62 Bongodog1964 : Have to be 9-5 Mon-Fri then, as the RAF likes its evenings and weekends off.
63 CalebWilliams : From the BA press release: All A318 models were certified for Steep Approach in 2007 after compatibility tests at London City Airport in 2006. .... C
64 VV701 : Many thanks.
65 AZA330 : Wow...it did make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up!!! They should have saved the flight numbers 001 and 002 for something else... for as spe
66 TristarSteve : Yes Flight is right. UNA will be at Lyneham doing training 3 and 4 Sep then at LCY flying training 5 and 6 Sep. Then it is planned to go to JFK via S
67 LHR27C : Steve, could you still confirm it's planned into LCY on 4th Sep at 1800Z or has that changed?
68 TristarSteve : Yes it positions from Lyneham and nightstops at LCY
69 BA777 : Any idea what times on the 3rd and 4th at Lyneham? Might be worth a peek HL
70 TristarSteve : It will arrive LYE at 0830Z on the 3rd and will fly all day Nightstop at LYE and fly all day the 4th before leaving for LCY at 1715Z on the 4th.
71 Speedbird555 : Looks like they are training steep approaches into LCY this morning as a BA A318 has performed at least 4 touch and go's in the last hour. Impressive
72 Babybus : Everytime I see a A318 I want to tickle it under the chin. What a cute little bird. Regards crewing, does this mean that the crew might be doing LCY-J
73 APYu : Flight crew yes - following a few days off after a transatlantic trip. Cabin crew would do similar but only from LGW as they will be LGW based crews.
74 Acelanzarote : Once up and running what times will these planes be on the ground at LCY? Good luck to BA with this service, wonder what they will do if it really tak
75 Oly720man : Looking at ba.com, the service starts 30 Sept then daily mon-fri. Arr 0715am, dep 1250pm. From 13 Oct there are 2/day with the other flight daily mon
76 TristarSteve : But only 30 flight crews are being trained on the aircraft. There is a recency limit on doing the steep LCY approach and this is as many as can keep
77 APYu : I think there are only around 300 Cabin crew being trained on the service too to ensure they remain familiar with the service to keep it to a high st
78 Acelanzarote : So are both A318's on the ground at LCY between 1025-1250? Just wondering if there is enough ramp area to park up for that long? thanks
79 Wahdadli : Do these A318s have extra fuel tanks?
80 Burnsie28 : The fuel stop is only one way and thats to the US due to runway length, return its supposed to be non-stop. Plus IIRC you clear US customs in SNN and
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