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Where Are The VLJ Aircraft?  
User currently offlineNitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Seems a little while back, there was a fair amount of "buzz" about VLJ aircraft becoming viable means of transportation. Now these aircraft seem to be non-existent in the media. Any ideas why?


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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 837 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

FLYING & DELIVERED:

Embraer Phenom 100:
http://www.embraerexecutivejets.com/...ontent/aircraft/phenom100_home.asp
List Price: 3.6 Mio $


Cessna Citation Mustang:
http://www.cessna.com/citation/mustang.html
List Price: 2,8 Mio $


IN DEVELOPMENT (SOME FLYING):

Diamand D-Jet
http://www.diamondaircraft.com/aircraft/djet/index.php
List Price: 1,9 Mio $

Honda Jet
http://hondajet.honda.com/default.aspx?bhcp=1
List Price: 3.6 Mio $

Cirrus Jet Vision
http://cirrusaircraft.com/vision/
List Price: 1.1 Mio $

Piper Jet
http://piperjet.piper.com/
List Price: 2.2 Mio $


All other VLJs projects are canceled or stopped because they ran out of money, partly due to the crisis, partly because they were never set up in a professional way.
(Adam 700, Eclipse 500, etc.)


User currently offlineNitepilot79 From Turkey, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4992 times:



Quoting CARST (Reply 1):

All other VLJs projects are canceled or stopped because they ran out of money, partly due to the crisis, partly because they were never set up in a professional way.
(Adam 700, Eclipse 500, etc.)

Thanks. One of those babies would one hell of a go-kart  spin 



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4964 times:



Quoting Nitepilot79 (Thread starter):
Now these aircraft seem to be non-existent in the media. Any ideas why?

Because people start realising that some VLJs are nonsense, especially the single-engined ones. Turboprops like the TBM850 are basically just as fast, need less runway and burn less fuel.
And the Eclipse probably is one of the biggest (well, in fact it's rather small) POS ever built.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

It would be alright with me if the VLJ's were never heard of or seen again. The only one I've actually found to perform similar to a high performance turbo-prop was the Phenom 100!

Quoting A342 (Reply 3):
Because people start realising that some VLJs are nonsense, especially the single-engined ones. Turboprops like the TBM850 are basically just as fast, need less runway and burn less fuel.
And the Eclipse probably is one of the biggest (well, in fact it's rather small) POS ever built.

Glad to see I'm not alone in my opinion.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4948 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):
The only one I've actually found to perform similar to a high performance turbo-prop was the Phenom 100!

It is notable that the Phenom 100 rather competes with the CJ1 than with other VLJs. I agree, that one seems to be a fine plane, built by a manufacturer who knows how to design aircraft rather than release nothing but hot air.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8977 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

There's also the Phenom 300, which is test-flying, though that one is considered a LJ not a VLJ. . . still pretty small though.


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User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4898 times:

Why so much hate around VLJ?

Probably the idea is a bit premature for the market, but IMO a good idea nevertheless. We just need a bit more time to learn about miniaturizing jet engines (courtesy of UAVs) and composite materials (courtesy of B787 and A350) and scaling the production (courtesy of China) and I believe their time will come!


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4859 times:



Quoting Borism (Reply 7):
Why so much hate around VLJ?

As an air traffic controller you have to treat most VLJ's as a low performance turbo-prop in the environment I control in, terminal. Why do I say that, because they can't get out of their own way.

Simple, want a fast forward speed to get out of the way, speed of oh maybe 230 KIAS, if they have a climb rate what would it be..........NOT!!

Okay, give me your best rate of climb through 10,000' MSL, and you find out they are in a stall for the most part at 120=130 KIAS maybe, on a good day with temps in the standard or lower range.

Give me a BE9T or even a PC12, they'll knock almost every VLJ out of the sky with performance.

Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
I agree, that one seems to be a fine plane, built by a manufacturer who knows how to design aircraft rather than release nothing but hot air.

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