Lubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3212 times:
Too bad the YEG-SFO is only seasonal service. Perhaps they will keep it permanent if the loads are good. YVR-MIA also stands a decent chance of succeeding as does all the YYZ routes (AC funnels so much traffic through YYZ that they are bound to get decent loads). I have to wonder about YUL-LAS. It seems rather strange but who knows, maybe it will work.
On a side note, this is a lot of new routes for the year (they have added several others as well in the past few months) yet they are maintaining a zero growth forecast. They have also parked a bunch of planes. Fewer planes, new routes but zero growth. What have they cut out of their schedule to keep it at zero (I know of YEG-YUL and YEG-ORD).
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
Again, Air Canada is in favor of Toronto with these small market routes, than lucrative well-established markerts such as Montreal-Edmonton/Edmonton-Chicago etc etc..Toronto-Norfolk is a nice idea, but where are their prioirites?
I think Montreal-Las Vegas will be a good addition. I also think that Vancouver-Miami will do quite well. Toronto-Greenville??...Im not so sure but whatever,,
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3154 times:
YEG-SFO? That's a new to me. Like Lubicon said, it's only seasonal. Probably either it's a trial run or AC's trying to capture the leisure rather than the business travelers' market, I'll bet. Although AC may (or more likely may not) extend it to year-round service, I've lost faith in AC's strategy.
There may be a reason why AC's been cutting so many flights, including YEG-YUL and YEG-ORD: money. I've read in an article in the Edmonton Journal about YEG's loss of AC service to these two cities. According to the article, AC has said that it is more profitable to route passengers through YYZ. And this move coincides with AC's plans to keep its growth at zero since the merger and fuel price rises have eaten away at AC's profits. Not to mention the serious competition that's sprung up like grass in wet weather.
Still, I think AC's priorities are a little screwed up right now, and I'm certain that YEG's not the only airport in Canada getting pissed off at AC.
Toronto-Greenville, SC? I doubt this will last very long. At best it might be reduced greatly. Toronto-Charleston, SC looks much better since Charleston, SC is a tourist destination for its Old South historical charm and the subtropical climate. Norfolk's not a bad idea, either. YVR-MIA and YUL-LAS should do okay, hopefully. I think AC's already got plans for YVR-LAS, YYC-LAS, YVR-PHX and YYC-PHX fairly soon.
No YYC From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
Indeed, it seems that AC's priorities are messed up. It is great that YEG is getting SFO service. However, I don't think that it will last much longer than this summer. Sadly, I see the SFO & LHR service coming to an end this fall. As an aside, is it true that all passengers connecting through YYZ will be forced to pay an airport improvement fee? If so, a lot of out-of-towners are going to pay for the new terminal out there.
Afitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
What kind of aircraft are going to be opperating the Greenville, charleston, and norfolk routes? I asume either DC-9 or CRJ? I wonder why AC hasnt upgraded the YYZ-BDL routes on at least one of the 5 daily to a CRJ, DC-9 or maybe evan a A319. I know AC doesnt have many CRJ's, but if smaller markets like the ones added recently might be getting one, than a biz market like BDL sure could use one. Just my oppinion.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32021 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3081 times:
AA did not that well with MIA-YVR, but, it should be noted:
1) Vancouver and Miami are two very similar cities with Euro style cultures today.
2) Candians travel to Miami more than Miamians travel to Canada, and are more likely to fly the national airline.
3) Better connection for Western Canadians then YUL or YYZ.
4) Better timing.
Johnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2556 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
YVR-MIA would theoretically seem to be a great route. Pacific hub on one end and Latin American hub on the other end. Both business and leisure. Besides, how much time would it shave off of transiting via SFO or LAX?
Yaki1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
I heard a rumor today concerning the two new Air Canada 767s at Boeing. Sounds like they are going to have a delivery ceremony at LAS on Memorial Day, must be the equipment they are planning on using for their new route. LAS sounded like a strange location until I read this thread.
Ducker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2981 times:
1) Living in CT, I would think that the CRJ or DC-9 would be ideal to YYZ, but the current 5X daily frequencies would be reduced with the larger equipment.
2) As for GSP, that seems to be a more booming business market, with BMW and Michelin, among others, a larger manufacturing presence than CHS or CAE, and perhaps geater population growth than the other metro areas.
3) As for the Tidewater (Norfolk-Va. Beach-Hampton-Newport News), this seems to be a growth area also. Manufacturing might be as large as the US Navy in this metro area also.
AC probably considers the amount of higher-fare business traffic when considering new routes. I think that that could be lead to a more profitable niche. Ralph