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TSA At AUS/DFW... Whats Going On?  
User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

As I was boarding a flight at AUS this morning (08/19/09) at 6:00AM, I watched TSA bring a cart down to the gate loaded with plastic bags and plastic containers. Three of 'em put on rubber gloves, and some gruesome thoughts entered my mind. (Sorry TSA employees, had to do it!) Anyway, they began digging through carry-on bags, patting people down and just pulling people out of line to do this. As I was returning to AUS, the same thing happened again at the gate at DFW. Our gates, on both occassions, seemed to be the only ones affected.

My questions is, WHY?? Don't we all get screened pretty much down to our underwear at the screening point? Are they preparing or trying out something new that will be implemented? I have never seen this before and fly pretty often. Answers or comments would be greatly appreciated!


"It's all fun and games until the cops show up"
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

This thread should help to answer some of your questions.


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User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4606 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
This thread should help to answer some of your questions.


Funny how you posted that...I remember reading it, and after the first couple of posts, I went to another topic. I thought it was going to be another TSA bashing thread...but obviously should be, due to the lack of alertness. I didn't realize that it was as bad, if not worse, than when private security companies were screening PAX. It just goes to show you, when you walk into a screening checkpoint and all of the TSA employees are fooling around, screaming at each other, cursing, talking about non work related night-club escapades the night before and do not seem to be paying attention, chances are, they probably aren't.



"It's all fun and games until the cops show up"
User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1159 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4601 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
should help to answer some of your questions.

this was right post 911, and a lot of policies have changed. i don't think it could help him answer any of his questions at all.



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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4588 times:



Quoting HAMAD (Reply 3):
this was right post 911, and a lot of policies have changed. i don't think it could help him answer any of his questions at all.

the thread linked was started last week. It is actually quite relevant if you read that thread.



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User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

I apologize to any of the TSA employees who actually do their jobs and are very proud of what they do, but wouldn't it be more productive (if in fact that it is what Cabsrule pointed out) to go through recertification every so often? If they fail, start the termination process...too many lives on the line for any failures.


"It's all fun and games until the cops show up"
User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4434 times:



Quoting BWI5OH (Thread starter):
My questions is, WHY?? Don't we all get screened pretty much down to our underwear at the screening point?

So they look like they are doing something instead of just eating at Cinnabon all day; and, so the great unwashed feel good about "security".

Its all smoke and mirrors...

And I sometimes wonder why I voluntarily left the industry; what Mohammad Atta and his buds didnt accomplish on 9.11; our Gubmint will...



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4417 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 6):
So they look like they are doing something instead of just eating at Cinnabon all day

What's sad is that's basically true. With the huge capacity reductions the TSA is grossly overstaffed. So instead of getting their budget cut, they reintroduce gate screening to "enhance security".



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9098 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4402 times:



Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 6):
And I sometimes wonder why I voluntarily left the industry; what Mohammad Atta and his buds didnt accomplish on 9.11; our Gubmint will...

These guys have been highly successful, they had a 2 1/2 out of four which is an exscellent rate. More than that, they destroyed a whole industry n the USA, initiated goverment actions in the US that are widely, ineffective and in many ways useless and, line the one described above, insane.

They accomplished much more than they could ever dream.



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User currently offlineCvg2lga From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 630 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

We should do away with security and have an air tight "fly at you're own risk" policy that must be accepted no if's and's or but's or rights to sue over it.

Tchau

DA-



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4083 times:



Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 7):
With the huge capacity reductions the TSA is grossly overstaffed. So instead of getting their budget cut, they reintroduce gate screening to "enhance security".

Exactly my theory too - I've noticed that the "gate checks" seem to coincide with lighter times of day, when the checkpoints are over-staffed.

Guess TSA saw too many A-nutters posting about "Thousands Standing Around" and decided, "well, let's show them!" Be careful what you wish for...  Silly

Quoting Cvg2lga (Reply 9):
We should do away with security and have an air tight "fly at you're own risk" policy that must be accepted no if's and's or but's or rights to sue over it.

The problem with that, of course, is that unless you're willing to put total faith in the armored flight deck doors - and with no security terrorists could bring tools onto the plane to defeat those doors- and the willingness of passengers to fight back, the aircraft could be used as weapons to attack innocent people on the ground who didn't agree to that risk.


User currently offlineGlbltrvlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4039 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 10):
The problem with that, of course, is that unless you're willing to put total faith in the armored flight deck doors - and with no security terrorists could bring tools onto the plane to defeat those doors- and the willingness of passengers to fight back, the aircraft could be used as weapons to attack innocent people on the ground who didn't agree to that risk.



User currently offlineJoseKMLB From United States of America, joined May 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Ah TSA has nothing to do and they get paid big bucks for just sitting around and do nothing. So they make up rules at each airport to do. I know that most of the stuff they do down here they dont do in other stations. Like one day on a turn flight after all the pax got off the plane they did a walk threw of the plane and the pilots were like wtf they dont do this anywhere else.

User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4005 times:



Quoting JoseKMLB (Reply 12):
Like one day on a turn flight after all the pax got off the plane they did a walk threw of the plane and the pilots were like wtf they dont do this anywhere else.

Are those goofs even allowed to do that without the airline's permission?? If I was a station manager, I wouldn't want ANY of them walking through my aircraft. If they can't find anything that goes under their noses at a screening point, why on earth would their luck change on an airplane?!



"It's all fun and games until the cops show up"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3963 times:



Quoting BWI5OH (Reply 13):
Are those goofs even allowed to do that without the airline's permission??

Apparently, they are permitted to climb on (and break) MQ aircraft at ORD without airline permission.

TSA Damages 9 American Eagle Planes @ ORD (by 44k Aug 19 2008 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineGrain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

down here in RSW they went from pulling bags from our baggage carts while we were loading the plane, to having us hand them the bags, to just plain sitting in golf carts watching us load the planes.

from annoying to really annoying to totally useless.


User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2018 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
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Quoting Grain (Reply 15):
from annoying to really annoying to totally useless.

I mean this in the nicest way possible for any TSA agent who does their job, and does it porperly.

But they are called Thousands Standing Around for a good reason.


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3923 times:



Quoting BWI5OH (Thread starter):
, WHY??

TSA basically is admitting they can't do the job effectivly at the checkpoint.. apparently that's not intrusive enough!



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3765 times:



Quoting BWI5OH (Reply 13):

Are those goofs even allowed to do that without the airline's permission?? If I was a station manager, I wouldn't want ANY of them walking through my aircraft. If they can't find anything that goes under their noses at a screening point, why on earth would their luck change on an airplane?!

A while back, we got into a city where we were to sit for over an hour and a half. The captain and myself wanted to go and grab some lunch in the terminal. He took off while I was finishing up in the cockpit. When I walked out I noticed 2 TSA agents walking around the plane. One was walking up through 1st class towards me. I shut the cockpit door behind me(both the captain and myself had our personal belongings in the cockpit) and walked out. This guys says, I'm going to need to look in the there(cockpit). I said "well, go right ahead". He couldn't figure out how to get the door opened and just turned around and left. When I got back to the plane the FA's were giving me high 5's. This guy had no business in the cockpit of a 757. He had no clue as to what he would be looking at up there and my company does not like people who do not work for us snooping around our cockpits.



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User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3757 times:



Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 18):
This guys says, I'm going to need to look in the there(cockpit). I said "well, go right ahead". He couldn't figure out how to get the door opened and just turned around and left.

CLASSIC!!!! Wish there was a camera for that one!

Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 18):
This guy had no business in the cockpit of a 757.

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User currently offlineColts001 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

I have seen this happen a few times once at CLT, once at ORF and yesterday at PHF. All these occurred in the past 6 months timeframe so I am thinking because of the slowdown in air travel they have more time and they have to show they are doing more work.

User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1636 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3578 times:
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Yesterday, as I was going through TSA screening in SFO, the male agent there that was at the metal detector frisked some males after they walked through the metal detector by asking them to spread their arms and then patted them down with the back of his hand. He apparently choose men who were wearing long sleeve shirts, I was wearing a short sleeve shirt so he let me through. No one checked any females and he didn’t check the boarding passes so it was not a secondary screening,

In all my traveling I have never seen this done before at the metal detector, I wonder if this is a new TSA policy.

JetStar


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3573 times:



Quoting Jetstar (Reply 21):
Yesterday, as I was going through TSA screening in SFO,

SFO isn't TSA, unless something has recently changed. That sometimes means that they don't do everything exactly as other airports do.



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
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Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 6):

And I sometimes wonder why I voluntarily left the industry; what Mohammad Atta and his buds didnt accomplish on 9.11; our Gubmint will...



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8):
They accomplished much more than they could ever dream.

Bingo. People keep forgetting that their goal wasn't to kill people..the end goal was to terrorize, at which they have succeeded many times over.

So much for "We won't let the terrorists win!

Quoting BWI5OH (Reply 13):

Are those goofs even allowed to do that without the airline's permission?? If I was a station manager, I wouldn't want ANY of them walking through my aircraft. If they can't find anything that goes under their noses at a screening point, why on earth would their luck change on an airplane?!

Typical airline employee... always using logic and common sense to prove dimwits wrong and put them in their place. So the pitot tube shouldn't be used as a ladder you say? Just because you have your fancy training and actual (non-GED) diploma doesn't mean that you're an everyday Bernoulli or Orville you know!

Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 18):
This guy had no business in the cockpit of a 757. He had no clue as to what he would be looking at up there and my company does not like people who do not work for us snooping around our cockpits.

All exaggeration aside, I would honestly be weary of boarding an aircraft if I knew that TSA was dicking around in there prior to my flight - for the same reason that I would be weary of boarding an aircraft that had a cab driver or toll collector hanging around up there unattended.

Quoting Colts001 (Reply 20):
I have seen this happen a few times once at CLT, once at ORF and yesterday at PHF. All these occurred in the past 6 months timeframe so I am thinking because of the slowdown in air travel they have more time and they have to show they are doing more work.

FL out of PHF + brown skin (sorry, but I've been singled out too many times for this not to be a coincidence) = surefire gate search! I especially like when the same person who did the SSSS screening on me 20 minutes prior is the same person poking their Harry Potter wand through my carry on.

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 21):
No one checked any females and he

Hmm, unusual...

Quoting Jetstar (Reply 21):
SFO, the male agent

Oh.... that explains it



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User currently offlineJetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1636 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
SFO isn't TSA, unless something has recently changed. That sometimes means that they don't do everything exactly as other airports do.

I wasn’t aware of that, I was wondering why they weren’t wearing the TSA blue shirts, but that answers the question, they are not TSA.

JetStar


25 Lrdc9 : I went through SFO checkpoint on Wed. They first put me through the new machine which creates a picture of your body or something like that, and then
26 NASBWI : I love how in some cities they has airline emp's remove thier ID's from the plastic holders, and sometimes they dont.. but when you do remove it for i
27 BWI5OH : When my children and I were disrobing to go through the checkpoint at AUS, I politely stood aside to let other business travelers pass us by (it isn't
28 Traindoc : TSA is very good in SAT: quick, efficient, and friendly. It also depends upon how you treat them and your body language. I also understand that TSA ca
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