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Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!  
User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

A VERY interesting article for you guys from the financial post:

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Roots Air rethinking fleet, service plans
Undecided about A330: 'Evaluating all routes, the aircraft ... and the service'


In the face of a tough domestic market, Roots Air appears to be retrenching by re-evaluating its fleet plans and on-board service.

The Toronto-based airline, launched a month ago amid much fanfare, admitted yesterday it is undecided about whether to add a large, 316-seat Airbus A330 to its fleet of four smaller jets.

It is also reassessing its offering of three different types of service, which have scored high satisfaction levels with travellers, but are costing the carrier substantial amounts of money because it has been unable to fill its planes.

"Bearing in mind that we are a new carrier ... we are evaluating all routes, the aircraft that we've got on routes and the service we are providing," said Brock Stewart, a spokesman for the airline.

"It's an evolutionary process and we're prepared to do whatever is necessary to remain competitive and react to the needs of our customers."

Although Mr. Stewart said loads have been steadily improving, Roots has been struggling to fill its planes. The company has run two deep seat sales since launch and is offering tickets at less than half their regular prices.

From the outset, the Roots business plan to lure higher-paying travelers with extra amenities has been regarded skeptically by industry watchers because of doubts a sufficient market exists.

Several industry sources said yesterday delivery of a new A330 airplane that was to fly the Toronto-Vancouver route has been deferred or cancelled and a class for flight attendants to work on the plane has been postponed.

Mr. Stewart said Roots Air's parent, SkyService Airlines Inc., is still taking on new, leased A330s, but it is no longer certain any will be assigned to Roots.

Sources also said Roots will drop its mid-level Silver Class service on May 1, but Mr. Stewart denied this.

"There has been no change as of today in terms of the service we offer in the three classes of service," he said.

Regardless, Roots is already moving away from its original business plan, which called for the carrier to fly five planes, a mix of 168-seat Airbus A320s and A330 jets, by the end of the first year. In the second year, it was to add six more A320s.

But Mr. Stewart said the carrier has been forced to respond to changes in the industry. Most significantly, Canada 3000 purchased Royal Aviation and CanJet Airlines recently and this month it unveiled a heavy domestic flying schedule complete with a new business class.

For example, on the key Toronto-Calgary route there are at least 21 flights a day during the week, including WestJet, which will begin flying from nearby Hamilton, Ont., this summer.

"With the changes in the market, we're evaluating everything at this stage in order to address the competitive environment we find ourselves in," he said.

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I Would really REALLY love to see Roots Air flying its A330, what do you guys think?!?!?!

Regards,

Wolfy


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User currently offlineGmonney From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2159 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

To big too soon!!!

I think that the aircrafts is great and would be a good addition, but its too soon. The smaller ones are fine.

Rootsboy/girl

As the article said, they are not getting full price for the tickets, so ya the flights are full, but they are not making any money. What has to happen, is that the service you are providing must influance these people to buy tickets at full fare, then and only then will the 330 work

Keep up the good work and grind it out, Roots will make it,

Grant



Drive it like you stole it!
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (13 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

This sounds interesting. The plane has just been painted, and already it is no longer needed....

I hope no one takes offence at this, but I can't help getting the impression that the management of this airline is a bit undecided... Good luck to them. If they continue in this fashion, they'll need it.

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Funny enough, just a recently I stated that "If it doesn't work out, they could downsize to 320's for RootsAir operations, and the 330 could possibly be used for their Skyservice charter operations." How about the article: "Mr. Stewart said Roots Air's parent, SkyService Airlines Inc., is still taking on new, leased A330s, but it is no longer certain any will be assigned to Roots."

As to putting the 330 in Roots colours, no big deal. It's a basic white fuselage, just pull off the Roots name and put on Skyservice. A lot of decals are now used nowadays, it's not a big deal.


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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

with all do respect they are screwed.; the market is not ready for a new airline with there routes. I think they should convert to more of a southwest or jet blue policy.

User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

Even Air Canada is downsizing, and also the economy is not doing well, I guess they just didn't came in on a right time!  Sad It'll be so nice to see A330 in Root's Air's color, or even... B744 or A340!!! (Imagine)
A330 is a good plane to use on YVR-YYZ, but I think it's still hard to say as they r still new. AC's widebodies in everything departing Vancouver are always FULL! So I guess there are still potentials?!

Regards,

Wolfy


User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Went to a meeting today. We still have the 330's, they just may be used for other types of flying for the time being. Apparently, one of the deciding factors was A/C's reported loss of revenue. Given the fact that RootsAir is still in the start up mode I don't think it is such a bad idea, just smart re-thinking in the ever-changing aviation world. Notwithstanding this, the good thing for crewmembers is that we can fly SSV or RootsAir, so we can still have a go at working on the 330 which is my preferred aircraft to work on.

As for going "Southwest or Jetblue". No it will not happen. Our Silver Class cabin is our best seller and it always sells out first. I still believe that if we can offer the business traveller competetive prices along with an excellent mileage plan then we will survive! Cheers.


User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (13 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

I think this is a good move. The first few months or year is difficult on a new airline. It is best not to grow too fast. This is where new airlines get into trouble.

AC_B777



In life, some days you are the bug..... some days you are the windshield!
User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Well I don't think I'll ever get to see Roots Air.

User currently offlineBelugaBoy From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1670 times:


I don't understand this way of running a company at all.
If they are so small, they should have thought twice BEFORE ordering that A330.
This gives the impression that the managers are playing a game , yes we do, no we don't, yes we do, no we don't , yes we do ...
No, if that is true I don't have any confidence in those managers, like already sais, good luck to them, they will need it !!


User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Hey Rootsgirl, may I ask if you have ever worked on SS's A330 before? How's the aircraft interior like, and it's all economy class right? Is it pretty new inside? I know AC's A330s are all new and nice, and I heard that they will soon install PTVs in A330s and A345s first, then maybe the older A340s.

Just curious!  Smile

Regards,

Wolfy


User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Hi Wolfy,
Yes, I have worked on the A330. As you are aware, RootsAir is only a division of SSV and a lot of us have been at SSVfor some time so we have flown the 330 for our SSV flights. Some crew prefer to work on the smaller 320, but not me, I love the 330 and can't wait for CF-BUS to arrive home (next week). In the winter SSV's 330-300 is totally economy configured, holding 387 pax at max capacity. but still has a good seat pitch (it's longer than Transat's and C-3's 200 series) In the summer we also have our Premier Class. A total seat config of 361. 31 seats in the fwd cabin are Premier Class. The cabin is also seperate. Lots of leg room and the service is really impressive. I flew a gentleman back from Rome last year, he told me he had a choice of flying on Alitalia First Class or giving SSV Premier Class a try. He loved it, and I can see why. We work really hard and the service is non-stop. Also, I find the 330 spacious, more user friendly for passengers and crewmembers. In my opinion, you can't beat it for comfort.


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Rootsgirl,
How much for the Premier Class upgrade to/from Rome?


User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

And how long have they started up for?

User currently offlineRootsgirl From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 530 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Hi WateWate,
It's $200.00 each way, but I recommend it for the return flight because on the outbound flight most pax sleep. Sure you can wake up to a fabulous champagne breakfast with 4 choices of hot meal, hot pastries and sweet rolls. Save it for when you will be coming westbound, awake all day, drink all you want, eat like a king with antipasto, 4 course meal, dessert trolley, wine and cheese trolley, liquer trolley, more bar and then a wonderful snack about an hour and a half out of YYZ. Regards


User currently offlineRootsBoy From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

It's $225 each way this year. Still worth the extra $ for all the service and the seat that you get.

Long live C-FBUS.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

Saw Roots' A330 toaday at YYZ....just a big looking A320 if you ask me....but it was interesting non the less....BTW Also saw the first Austrian Airlines flight into YYZ today...also an A330.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

All of the Airlines in Canada are downsizing with the exception of Westjet which receives it's around 90 new generation 737's. In my opinion Roots Air made a huge mistake in choosing their market, i believe they would have been more successful if they had just used A330's and just fly international routes. There is no space in the Canadian market for Roots Air, it is dominated by Air Canada and in the west by Westjet to a certain extent.


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User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Not all airlines are downsizing...Canada 3000 has 10 A319's on order, plus two A340's. Air Canada is retiring a lot of planes, but also introducing 4 new 767's and the final A330 deliveries...A319's and A321's in the fall....plus A340-600's next year....Transat is getting A310's...BTW the 2nd plane was delivered...it has the perfect registration for TRANSAT...C-GLAT, LAT as in LATE...hahahaha. ANyway...airlines may be restructuring and retiring old planes, but they are still getting new ones.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineCargyvr From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Fallingeese... Try 36 new 73G's. Not 90

User currently offlineRootsBoy From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

I also saw the A330 today. Can't wait to see the inside.

User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Wesjet's options total up to 90 aircraft, with around 40 firm orders. They are leasing 15 from GECAS, with more options.


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

I know I'm competition, but how much trouble would I get in from Roots if I went and had a peak inside the airplane some morning???  Smile


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineWolfy From Taiwan, joined Mar 2001, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Wow, I just came to YVR from YYZ today, but how come I didn't see it? So sad... But I saw 6J's A320!  Smile It was just parked beside B744, which is the one I took today!  Smile

Regards,

Wolfy


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Isn't 6J Canjet??? They have no plastic.


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
25 Rootsgirl : No, 6J is RootsAir's IATA code and call code.
26 Post contains images C-GRYK : C-FRAE arrived at YYZ yesterday and was parked at Air Canada Midfield cargo for the whole afternoon in great sunlight. I along with a ton of other loc
27 Fallingeese : Is anybody positive whether the A330 will be flying for Roots or for Sky Service?
28 Slawko : I would think that ROOTS would at least try to fly it seeing as they went through the trouble of painting it in those colours, and re-doing the interi
29 C-GRYK : I heard from Tom Kim today that NAP is going to be converted to an all cargo config to replace GCDD (they are going to cut that one up)... Anyways I s
30 Slawko : RYK...there are more then 1 A310I am 100% sure of that...Actually Tom was almost right...NAP does Cargo all week, and then goes to pax on weekends, bu
31 Fallingeese : how long does it take for them to convert from cargo to pax?
32 Rootsgirl : Yes, I am positive where it will end up, but I can't say anything. I know that is like answering half a question, but I trust you will understand that
33 Fallingeese : if they keep the A330 it will boost the airlines revenue and hype. Though if they don't opperate it theyd will strugle even more. Does anybody know ho
34 RootsBoy : How did Slawko turn this topic "Roots Air Rethinking Fleet, Might Drop Its A330!" to talk about Royal/C3 aircrafts?
35 Skippy208 : In a related development, Roots Air is also rethinking its name. Apparently "Roots" has too much of a "ground" (as in "we're about to hit the...") con
36 Post contains images Slawko : Hey roots boy it wasn't me, C-GRYK started it!! Saw C-FBUS today...looked like it needed a good scrub!!
37 Rootsgirl : Hey Slawko, does that mean your'e volunteering to clean it? Actually, I thought it looked as it pulled in to rest between C-3 and Royals smaller aircr
38 Post contains images Slawko : Hmm....Well Rootsgirl and Rootsboy...when I said that C-FBUS looked a bit dirty, it was not a jab or a shot at Skyservice...I was commenting on the wa
39 Rootsgirl : Oh my, this is turning into a huge fiasco now. Slawko, I have read you defending your Royal Airlines and of course we are doing the same thing. I have
40 Slawko : Like I said I do defend it myself..but I will be the first to stand up and say that we are notorious for delays, and that needs to be addressed...Furt
41 Skippy208 : Obviously time to switch to decaf north of the border. Or was it one too many Molsons, eh? Skippy
42 Skippy208 : Actually, the laxative is for folks just like you. You seem to be retaining (and I'm not talking about water). Signing off for a while, Skippy
43 Rootsgirl : Skippy208, Is that the name for the brand of peanut butter your brain consists of? Go back to mamma(littleboy) you are too young to even know about Mo
44 Post contains images YWG777 : All I can say is I have been watching this topic for the pst few days and some quite intresting responses have taken place. How did this topic start w
45 Fallingeese : How we all miss Canadian, the cheap beer, the crappy pretzels, and the horible airplane food. I'm happy with any airline that doesn't have those. Thou
46 Captaingomes : I am saddened to see the immaturity that is taking place in this topic. I work in the airline industry and I regret finding out that I am amongst some
47 C-GRYK : I back Nuno on this one. I as well know Slawko personally and know he is not biased towards C3/Royal, but Rootsboy and Rootsgirl, you guys are SOOOOO
48 Rootsgirl : Dear Nuno, Jeremy. Firstly, IT is extremely rare that I would ever say another airline is bad. And, I think I read one of your previous postings a whi
49 Rootsgirl : Skippy-208 I AM CANADIAN GO LEAFS GO!
50 C-GRYK : Well said, not much else I can say but you guys were totally sounding like big shots towards Slawko, and he is a good guy whom I definetely will defen
51 RootsBoy : I got a little carried away with my last posting. I was angry at Skippy not you. You just happen to become a part of it. I have no respect for Skippy.
52 Post contains images Wolfy : After reading all ur msgs, really wanna say thx to you guys for the replies, and glad that u guys are okay now. I actually didn't know such topic whic
53 C-GRYK : Look at the latest post by MLS515, Roots Air is suspending all flights, makes you wonder that with high loads as the Roots f/a's claim they were, why
54 Twaneedsnohelp : Roots Air to cancel all flights and suspend operations! What a mess. No offense but Roots Air made no sense ever. If Canadian couldn't pull it off bei
55 Post contains images Wolfy : Ohh my god, what happened? I read the article but still cannot believe it! Come on, at least I wanna be able to fly Roots Air once! Will they back in
56 Rootsgirl : CGRYK- Jeremy, there you go agian! What is up with you? I already said the loads were fine, and if you bother to listen to the press conference today,
57 C-GRYK : Uhhh, hate to say it but Roots/SSV is not exactly going to be on some equal footing as mainline AC in AC, there will be lots of tension I am sure, and
58 C-GRYK : Want to read the article in the initial post in this thread, here is an excerpt... It is also reassessing its offering of three different types of ser
59 Rootsgirl : Unable to fill it's planes. Unable to fill the A330- yes true, but the 320's were fine. I don't think the issue is about holding out longer. C-3 hit R
60 C-GRYK : Another snippet from the initial post. Although Mr. Stewart said loads have been steadily improving, Roots has been struggling to fill its planes. The
61 RootsBoy : Jeremy, give it up. Fact is at the beginning (when that article was posted) we did have trouble filling the seats. Near the end of Roots Air (the last
62 C-GRYK : OK, it's just quite odd that this article was printed about 1 week ago, so that must mean that since that article, you were getting about 110-120 peop
63 RootsBoy : BTW, think Roots Air would have done a special scheme for the Olympics seeing as Roots is Canada's outfitter?........ I think so.
64 Fallingeese : May I remind you people that when Air Canada "merged" with Canadian that Canadian's then CEO also said that this deal benefits everybody. It was obvio
65 RootsBoy : Fallingeese, may i remind you that this is not a "merger" and Air Canada does not "own" us. There is a very big difference. Regards, Roots Boy
66 Boeing747-700 : Well I am waiting for some more news to dawn on the fleet changes. Can and would Air Canada take on SSV's/ROOTS AIR's Pratt and Whitney 4068 A330-300?
67 Post contains images Wolfy : Hmm, I'm not thinking to buy a ticket from YVR - YYZ on its last flt tomorrow, but really dun wanna waste that money. Can anyone tell me if Roots Air
68 Post contains images Wolfy : ON the last sentence, I mean Rootsgirl/boy, typed too fast! Regards, Wolfy
69 Rootsgirl : Wolfy, Anytime you are booked on a RootsAir flight or anything to do with SSV, you let me know, I'll get on the flight and you will be treated like a
70 Toorsgirl : Wolfy, Anytime you are booked on a RootsAir flight or anything to do with SSV, you let me know, I'll get on the flight and you will be treated like a
71 Post contains images Wolfy : Wow! Thx so much for the offer, that is so nice of you! MInd if I ask some questions? AC said that SSV will operate additional aircrafts after the dea
72 Fallingeese : Just a question, is there any truth to the rumour that Air Canada is going to turn Roots Air into a discount carrier?
73 Heartbreaker : Canada 3000 has shut down Roots air, and will shut down any dirt cheap division of Air Canada. Instead of looking for a dirt cheap airline to run, AC
74 Slawko : Do you mind explaining what C3 has done??
75 Captaingomes : C3 forced RootsAir out of the sky??? Are you mad??? I work for C3 (God how I miss Royal), and to be honest, if Air Canada does indeed use RootsAir as
76 Heartbreaker : C3 has dimolished the plans that Rootsair once dreamed about. They were not anticipating the merger between Royal and C3. Oh well, let the games begin
77 Post contains images Wolfy : Where did u get that price from? You r more than welcome to take C3 and enjoy their great service if u r not happy with AC. Enjoy! Regards, Wolfy
78 Superdawg : Clive Beddoe of Westjet mentioned that he knew Roots was only filling up 30-40% of their flights (he could easily find out from the Calgary Airport Au
79 Post contains images Wolfy : Ohh my god, now what does it suppost to mean? What do you guys think? ------------------------------------------------- Air Canada reviews options Dis
80 Crj 900 : Heartbreaker, just like most people in the UK are fed up with that pathetic BA.If you are not inclined to travel AC, then that sir is your option. Wha
81 Crj 900 : Heartbreaker, people are as fed up with AC as much as they are with BA. Public opinion is always against the big guy. If you don't wanna fly on us, we
82 Airman99o : Really?!?!?!?! I had a feeling that something like this was going to happen, Air Canada sticking their F***ing nose in our business and saying all thi
83 Crj 900 : Hey sorry u guys, we seem to have to versions of my post, one when i was a little irked and one when i had calmed down a bit. I was a little annoyed a
84 Heartbreaker : This goes out to CRJ900, I may not know as much as u do about AC, however I do know this much, GREED GREED GREED GREED! Get the point my Canadian frie
85 Crj 900 : Sorry i have to respond to that one. Of course AC is greedy, they want it all and I'm sure Mr. Milton is gonna try and get it. You can't blame him for
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