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OAG Changes 8/20/09: B6/CO/DL/NK/NW/VX  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7550 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

As always this is a comparison versus what was selling last week against this week...NOT last year.

How to read:
3>2 NOV- means a reduction from 3 roundtrips to 2 starting in November and continuing forward.

2F
Whole schedule deleted. Now only selling tickets at: http://www.frontierak.com/

B6
FLL-SFO NEW 0>1 NOV- (VX Response)
HPN-PBI 2>3 NOV-
HPN-RSW 1>2 NOV-
LGA-MCO 1>2 NOV-
TPA-CUN CXLD 3/WK>0 (RESUMPTION CXLD)
SLC-SAN CXLD 1>0 NOV-

CO
FLL-MHH 1>2 NOV-
FLL-NAS 6>5 NOV-
FLL-TLH 3>2 NOV-
FLL-TPA 1/WK>1 NOV-
TLH-MCO NEW 0>3 NOV-
TLH-PBI CXLD 2>0 OCT-

DL
ABQ-SLC 5>6 NOV-
ATL-MCO 16>18 NOV-
CVG-RSW 1>2 NOV-
JFK-MIA 4>5 DEC-

FL
ATL-DCA 5>6 NOV- (CO SLOTS)
ATL-EWR CXLD 5>0 NOV- (CO DEAL)
DCA-MCO 2/WK>1 NOV- (CO SLOTS)
LGA-IND NEW 0>2 NOV- (CO SLOTS)

NK
ATL-FLL 3>2 NOV-
FLL-TPA 3>1 NOV-

NW
MSP-BRD 3>2 NOV-
MSP-BWI 4>3 NOV-
MSP-MOT 4>3 NOV-
MSP-MIA 2>1 NOV-
MSP-SAT 3>2 NOV-
CAE-MEM CXLD 1>0 NOV-

VX
FLL-LAX NEW 0>1 NOV-
FLL-SFO NEW 0>1 NOV-

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User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5202 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
VX
FLL-LAX NEW 0>1 NOV-
FLL-SFO NEW 0>1 NOV-

These should both be 0>2, no?


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5059 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
2F
Whole schedule deleted. Now only selling tickets at: http://www.frontierak.com/

Seeing this I would assume now that they may be all under 7H code, Era's. I have noticed that on ANC airport site that their flights were showing as Era and also on flightaware.com.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5052 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
CO
FLL-MHH 1>2 NOV-
FLL-NAS 6>5 NOV-
FLL-TLH 3>2 NOV-
FLL-TPA 1/WK>1 NOV-
TLH-MCO NEW 0>3 NOV-
TLH-PBI CXLD 2>0 OCT-

Op by 3M correct?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MSP-MIA 2>1 NOV-

This goes back to 2x daily on 19NOV09 and back to 3x daily around 17DEC09. Odd temporary reduction.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
JFK-MIA 4>5 DEC-

Pretty impressive. DL went from one daily CR7 a few years ago, to 5 daily MD80s. DL will have more capacity on MIA-JFK than they do on FLL-JFK.

[Edited 2009-08-20 09:50:48]


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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4888 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
ATL-MCO 16>18 NOV-

Good to see an increase here. Are they giving us back any 767s yet? I hope so.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
VX
FLL-LAX NEW 0>1 NOV-
FLL-SFO NEW 0>1 NOV-

I thought these were twice daily?


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4687 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
NW
MSP-BRD 3>2 NOV-
MSP-BWI 4>3 NOV-
MSP-MOT 4>3 NOV-
MSP-MIA 2>1 NOV-
MSP-SAT 3>2 NOV-

Every time a new schedule adjustment occurs I see MSP getting cuts in routes and frequency, what gives? I thought DTW's economy was one of the worst in the country yet I never see any cuts from DTW.

Jeremy


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4637 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 6):
Every time a new schedule adjustment occurs I see MSP getting cuts in routes and frequency, what gives? I thought DTW's economy was one of the worst in the country yet I never see any cuts from DTW.

In many respects, MSP and SLC serve the same purpose (i.e. east/west connector), therefore, IMHO DL is trying to adjust capacity so that both hubs can serve their purpose successfully. Regarding DTW, IMHO you're not seeing cuts because those are happening at CVG. Despite the local economy, DTW is still a strong connecting hub in a densely populated area of the country which I think is why you're not seeing as many cuts there.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4625 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 6):

Every time a new schedule adjustment occurs I see MSP getting cuts in routes and frequency, what gives? I thought DTW's economy was one of the worst in the country yet I never see any cuts from DTW.

The December OAG shows all these routes back up to previous frequencies, and MIA-MSP back to 3x daily.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4168 times:



Quoting Aviators99 (Reply 1):


Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
VX
FLL-LAX NEW 0>1 NOV-
FLL-SFO NEW 0>1 NOV-

These should both be 0>2, no?


I look at monthly total operations. I think because they only fly part of November it looked like 1 flight. The press release says 2 so I probably goofed.

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 3):
Op by 3M correct?

I believe so.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
The December OAG shows all these routes back up to previous frequencies, and MIA-MSP back to 3x daily.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that, though. NW tends to "oversell" their schedules over 90 days out meaning they often make cuts in just the short term and gradually roll them forward. It is not unusual for NW to be overscheduled by 7% beyond 90 days.

I actually think it is a bait and switch policy that should be reviewed by DOT. It's been going on for at least 10 years. Summer to winter is usually when it is at it's most aggregious. It's akin to allowing you to put a product on layaway for Christmas when they know the product won't exist.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4113 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that, though. NW tends to "oversell" their schedules over 90 days out meaning they often make cuts in just the short term and gradually roll them forward. It is not unusual for NW to be overscheduled by 7% beyond 90 days.

I would totally put stock on NW having three daily MIA-MSPs this winter like they do every winter. Not sure about other markets, as I'm not familiar with them.



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User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3623 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 9):
I look at monthly total operations. I think because they only fly part of November it looked like 1 flight. The press release says 2 so I probably goofed.

Yeah, it's 2. But certain certain Thursday and Saturdays seem to be just 1, but I haven't figured out a pattern.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7550 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2918 times:



Quoting Aviators99 (Reply 11):
But certain certain Thursday and Saturdays seem to be just 1, but I haven't figured out a pattern.

Hmm, maybe I wasn't that far off...


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