Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Will UA Ever Rebuild Its Short Haul Jet Fleet?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15675 times:

Will UA ever rebuild its short haul jet fleet? They have retired ALL B 737s as well as B 727s and that's A LOT!

I am sick and tired of flying United Express for hours! In the past we never had to fly express for more than 45 minutes. Geeeeeeeeeeeeez.

I suppose they will regain their former size in both long haul and short haul sectors when they merge with Continental right?

137 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15613 times:



Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
I suppose they will regain their former size in both long haul and short haul sectors when they merge with Continental right?

God-willing - that never happens...


Does UA still have any options on the A32x or have they all expired so to speak?

Also, does anybody know what their scope limits are for seating?

An aircraft such as say, the EMB-190/195 would have to be mainline right?



Go Cubs!
User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15594 times:

Isn't UA putting up an RFP for new planes as well?

Obviously, the biggest contenders for a short-haul or narrow-body fleet would be newer 737s or something from the A320 family. Even there, you have planes being used for longer routes.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but something tells me UAX will be there to stay.
UAX might get lucky and get the 70-seat slope clause eased up and then be allowed to use CRJ900s or longer variants of the ERJ170.


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15559 times:



Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 1):
An aircraft such as say, the EMB-190/195 would have to be mainline right?

Shuttle America flies the EMB-190 for UAX

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
Will UA ever rebuild its short haul jet fleet?

They have asked Boeing and Airbus to put in bids for replacements of the current fleet, so that might include some more for smaller a/c but right now UA is focusing more on international then on domestic, but if you want to see more small body jets in the fleet your best chance is for a merger with CO



"Learn the rules, so you know how to break them properly." -H.H. The Dalai Lama
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15563 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 3):
Shuttle America flies the EMB-190 for UAX

No they don't.. It's EMB170 that they fly..



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15290 times:

When the boom comes back, I think they will place a large order for the A 319/320 unless Boeing comes up with something new. We will see more narrowbodies after a merger with CO

So UA has the world's largest airbus fleet right? How many?


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15248 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
When the boom comes back, I think they will place a large order for the A 319/320 unless Boeing comes up with something new. We will see more narrowbodies after a merger with CO

You still have to also see what of its remaining short-body jets UA is using for right now to find clues about what these planes will be used for.
Even a flight such as SFO - IAD can be flown by an A319.
I still think a good number of flights will still be flown by UAX once these new planes come in.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 15252 times:



Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 1):
An aircraft such as say, the EMB-190/195 would have to be mainline right?

Correct. I believe that UA's scope clause sets a 70 seat limit. A E90 in two class configuration would probably be 90 seats at least.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15164 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 3):
Shuttle America flies the EMB-190 for UAX

That would be the day! Sadly, no! They only fly the EMB170 with 6F64Y.

Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 2):
I'm sorry to tell you this, but something tells me UAX will be there to stay.

You got that right!

Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 2):
UAX might get lucky and get the 70-seat slope clause eased up and then be allowed to use CRJ900s or longer variants of the ERJ170.

I'd love to see OO with a CR9 for UAX operation in their current livery or in STAR ALLIANCE scheme. Big grin

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
When the boom comes back, I think they will place a large order for the A 319/320 unless Boeing comes up with something new.

When UA is financially ready to order new planes it's going to be a BOEING metal. The reason UA ordered the A319/320 back in the days, was because the B737 wasn't able to deliver the range that the A319/320 offered at the time.


User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15005 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

They haven't gotten rid of all 737s yet. I saw one taxiing at ORD yesterday. I don't know where it was going.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



Fly Eastern's Golden Falcon DC-7B
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14977 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 8):
When UA is financially ready to order new planes it's going to be a BOEING metal. The reason UA ordered the A319/320 back in the days, was because the B737 wasn't able to deliver the range that the A319/320 offered at the time.

United has 150+ Airbus right now, and Boeing has been able to offer the range on their NG products for quite some time now. So if the Airbii were interim aircraft I don't the numbers would have gotten so high. I think it can go either, Airbus or Boeing.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 14942 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 2):
UAX might get lucky and get the 70-seat slope clause eased up and then be allowed to use CRJ900s or longer variants of the ERJ170.

The current 70-seat scope clause appears to be tough to renegotiate. How about 70-seat CRJ900 with 16F + 54Y and fly them on services with decent premium traffic but less Y volume or upsell on other routes...?



Come, fly the prevailing winds with me
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14931 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 11):
How about 70-seat CRJ900 with 16F + 54Y and fly them on services with decent premium traffic but less Y volume or upsell on other routes...?

This is already done in the form of the CRJ-705, which is a CRJ-900 that is only certified for 75 seats. I know Air Canada flies some of them, but I don't know if there were other customers.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 14831 times:

Remember, distance is really secondary to traffic volume. Until you get to the outer fringes of range, it doesn't matter which one you use.

They are only going to use the mid-size a/c like the 73s and the A320s on routes that justify that much traffic. If there is a short run with high demand, they will use one of those. If there is a longer run with less demand, they will use an RJ.



Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14722 times:



Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 8):
When UA is financially ready to order new planes it's going to be a BOEING metal. The reason UA ordered the A319/320 back in the days, was because the B737 wasn't able to deliver the range that the A319/320 offered at the time.

The large majority of the A319/320s were ordered well after the 737NG became available. The original A320 order, for 50 planes, was indeed placed at a time it ran against the 737Classic, but the choice to go with the A319 afterwards was made after a competition with the 737-700.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14621 times:



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 14):
Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 8):
When UA is financially ready to order new planes it's going to be a BOEING metal. The reason UA ordered the A319/320 back in the days, was because the B737 wasn't able to deliver the range that the A319/320 offered at the time.

The large majority of the A319/320s were ordered well after the 737NG became available. The original A320 order, for 50 planes, was indeed placed at a time it ran against the 737Classic, but the choice to go with the A319 afterwards was made after a competition with the 737-700.

UA's A319s / A320s are younger than AA's MD-80s, so I don't think there is a pressing need to replace them.

I think UA is likely to wait until Boeing and Airbus unveil their A320 / 737 replacements before they place any meaningful narrow body orders.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
I suppose they will regain their former size in both long haul and short haul sectors when they merge with Continental right?

Aw jeez, not this **** again!!!!! Will it ever be possible to have any discussion about UA or CO here without the subject of the potential of the two airlines merging coming up?



Seaholm Maples are #1!
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14600 times:

This was their narrowbody fleet at the beginning of last year:

A319 55
A320 41
A320 56 (Ted)
B733 62
B735 28
B752 97
TOTAL 339

When the 737s are all gone in October we will have the following:

A319 55
A320 97
B752 97
TOTAL 249

That is a 26% reduction in narrowbody aircraft (less so in quantity of seats). I have hard time believing that all of the traffic has been converted to Express, it seems like most of that was reductions due to the economy. I wouldn't be surprised if UA ordered some additional A320s or A321s for delivery in the next 1-2 years when capacity will be needed again...I would think there would be some available slots due to some cancellations...or maybe even some lightly used ones for cheap...


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14586 times:



Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 1):
Does UA still have any options on the A32x or have they all expired so to speak?

I don't think it was options, I thought it was a deferred order and IICR it was canceled a couple of years ago while in bankruptcy.


User currently offlineBirdbrainz From United States of America, joined May 2005, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14201 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
UA's A319s / A320s are younger than AA's MD-80s, so I don't think there is a pressing need to replace them.

I spoke with a person who works in UA's engineering department, and he told me that while the A320s are fuel-efficient and work very well for UA, they become rather maintenance intensive relative to the Boeing jets as they age, but he wasn't specific. (Can anyone at NW/DL corroborate this?) This seemed to jibe somewhat with Air NZ's experiences with their A320s "falling apart."

It's not much to go on, but it could tilt things in favor of Boeing, especially since the 787 is such an ideal 767 replacement, and it's supposed to be winner take all.

However, like you say, it could go either way.



A good landing is one you can walk away from. A great landing is if the aircraft can be flown again.
User currently offlineTockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14048 times:

i think that the new e170s solve a lot of the problems i have with RJs. if every RJ flight were on an "explus" flight, i wouldn't really care at all. in fact, i prefer two abreast seating in most cases as long as there is sufficient head room and leg room.

User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2648 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14022 times:

When are the 737s supposed to be gone? Looking at flightaware for ORD there is still plenty of flights with them.

User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14026 times:



Quoting Birdbrainz (Reply 18):
(Can anyone at NW/DL corroborate this?) This seemed to jibe somewhat with Air NZ's experiences with their A320s "falling apart."

A guy in MX (NWA) once told me that "...the Airbus (A320/19) started breaking shortly after delivery..." and then we went on to joke about the how the last A320 crew will be flown back to MSP on a DC-9.



"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 14001 times:



Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 19):
i think that the new e170s solve a lot of the problems i have with RJs. if every RJ flight were on an "explus" flight, i wouldn't really care at all.

 checkmark  The only issue I have with the E-Jets is the reduced overhead bin size. But it's not that big a deal.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13949 times:



Quoting Captaink (Reply 10):
United has 150+ Airbus right now, and Boeing has been able to offer the range on their NG products for quite some time now.

They do? Unless UA just placed a new order with Airbus, those 150+ were forfeited late last year.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13675 times:

Will UA return to its former size before 9.11?

25 LAXintl : For me, I cant see UA gaining back a larger narrowbody fleet unless its cost structure were to decrease quite a bit, or the domestic revenue environme
26 Mm320cap : It's very certain that there will not be 90 seat RJ's flying for United Express. If UAL wants them, they will have to be mainline. Bank on it. United
27 AS739X : I have heard he same things from UA MOC mechanics here at SFO. I'd love to hear the other airlines opinions.
28 Terryb99 : I sell parts to airlines and MRO's all over the world. I know for a fact the above statements are true, but am usually hesitant to mention that on th
29 Manfredj : I think some people are taking for granted that UA is worthy of a merge with CO. If we are all true lovers of this industry, we should hope for the be
30 United787 : I agree! Except for the inexperienced pilots...nothing against RJ pilots but the standards are too low and since the only two fatal commercial airlin
31 LACA773 : Wow! I didn't realize the Airbuses were so problematic when it comes to maintance. The statement about the landing gears on the 330 alone is very rema
32 Jolau1701 : I think the C-Series would probably suit UA better than the E190s. That is assuming UA wants to have an actual replacement for its old 737's instead
33 Goldenshield : That's a very broad statement. During the rush a few years ago, a few regionals required at least 800-1000 hours total time before pilots would be lo
34 KstateinALB : You know, the Explus a/c are quite comfortable, if I may say so. And pretty much, if you are flying to IAD, a large percentage of flights are UAX. Yo
35 Saab2000 : This would actually be a shame. It would mean more, rather than less, United Express service. And fewer mainline jobs. That said, Air Wisconsin has s
36 Saab2000 : Good man! (or woman!) I am an RJ pilot and have been for years. I do not want to fly my whole career on RJs and the continued scope creep that goes o
37 Saab2000 : That's not the case at all the so-called 'regional' airlines. There are some that have had exceptionally high standards of hiring and time required.
38 Flashmeister : Yeah, but some of the conditions they've tacked on make it pretty questionable whether the RFP will really go anywhere. For example, in early June, G
39 USAirALB : I think that to compensate with the smaller narrow body fleet size, smaller mainline markets were cut.. SYR/BTV now longer have mainline and MHT will
40 UAL777 : There is not much room to expand it. The pilots' contract prohibits it and they are going for broke to take back some of the scope.
41 Cubsrule : In terms of passenger comfort, the 170s are better than the 737s in just about every conceivable way except for the lack of Channel 9. ...which leads
42 USAirALB : Yup..do the 737s have adjustable headrests
43 N104UA : In F but not in Y
44 Flashmeister : Good! I'd much rather be in a big bird any day.
45 Jolau1701 : Was it only for the BAE146? And if ZW regains UAX flying, will this clause still exist for them?
46 AznCSA4QF744ER : I am sorry, I misread your posting, I though you meant UA have those birds on order.
47 United Airline : In the long run the A 319/320/321 will replace the B 737s and the B 787s will replace the B 757/767. The B 777-200/200ERs will remain in service for a
48 UnitedTristar : no, the clause specifically mentions tail numbers of the ZW BAE's. So once those aircraft were gone, so was the clause. -m
49 LACA773 : Perhaps UA might purchase some 321s for some 757 replacements but unless the performance improves, I don't see them doing this in regards to their si
50 United Airline : Sorry there was a typo. I mean merger
51 United1 : The clause does mention the tail numbers but it also gives ZW the option of operating other Bae146/Avro aircraft or other aircraft that are certified
52 United Airline : NW merged with DL. So why not UA-CO? The A 321 is possible. But I won't rule out the B 787. Many of UA's routes can warrent the B 747-8 and the A 380
53 UnitedTristar : you know, now that you say that I do remember something like that, or they could replace them 1 for 2 with smaller jets or something... -m
54 Captaink : I am going by what airfleet states, because I know they have a considerable amount Airbus aircraft, and airfleets states 55 A319 and 97 A320. So what
55 Post contains images KGAIflyer : Simple answer. The A321 is a long A320 -- not a short 757 (didn't we just have this discussion in another thread?). Its was not conceived or designed
56 BMI727 : How far are those planes going?
57 Goldenshield : America West looked into purchasing the A321 to minimize fleet costs, but in the end, they dropped the pursuit and stayed with their existant 757s (w
58 KGAIflyer : To MAN, CPH, and VIE I believe.
59 Ual777 : They have over 150 that were already delivered. Good for you guys Mm320cap!!
60 KGAIflyer : Okay, you lost me. Isn't America West now US Airways? Okay follow me here -- doesn't USAirways own **41** A321s with 4 more on order? Keep following
61 GSP psgr : I expect United to get 321s; makes too much sense with the current fleet. They can cover anything domestic and to Canada out of their two biggest hubs
62 LAXintl : At last count I saw, UAX has just about 2,000 daily departures while mainline does about 1,200. Here is the clause; Up to eighteen (18) specific airc
63 USPIT10L : US planned LGALAS with A321s back in 2003, but the route never launched due to hot-and-high issues at LAS. They would love to fly LASLGA and LASPHX,
64 Goldenshield : Okay, follow me here: At one time, America West and USAirways were two seperate companies. Keep following: One airline operated the A321, and the oth
65 CRJ900 : The CRJ900 weighs less than 90,000 lbs and I'm sure BBD are more than willing to offer a "special" version with max seating of 85 if ZW orders 20 air
66 LAXintl : The CRJ900 is certified in the United States in excess of 85 seats. I dont think AWAC/UA today would go down the path of Air Canada or American Airli
67 KGAIflyer : So . . . what name is on the current operating certificate? The name is USAirways, is it? But that's what ** I ** said. Other than that -- I get it.
68 Goldenshield : It is, but I don't see your point. The fact that HP management did not buy them for their network does not mean that the same people would not buy mo
69 ORD2PHL : And it's not even that simple, is it? Because the quasi-combined airline, now called US Airways, placed an order for further A321 aircraft in an open
70 Goldenshield : Let me quote myself since it's apparent you didn't bother to read my last post:
71 KGAIflyer : The A321 was *never* a 757 replacement. It is a lenghtened A320. A 321 can do pretty much anything a 320 -- or for that matter a 739ER -- can do.
72 UA_727 : AMEN, Brother!!! I was thinking the EXACT same thing - took the words right out.... THX!!!!!!!! -UA-
73 Goldenshield : And HP figured that out when they rejected buying them. They needed an aircraft that fit their model, not to fill some public opinion quota of needin
74 LACA773 : All of this is accurate with the EXCEPTION that US has now taken delivery of higher powered 321s which are much more optimal for operating out of hot
75 KGAIflyer : Look Mate, I made the statement you quote (about the A321) up in reply 55. Relax pal,
76 Goldenshield : What exception? You can't compare what happened 6 years ago with now. If they are buying the hot-and-high A321s, which are now available, you can't c
77 EXAAUADL : LOL....you mean the bubble. Because that is what .25% interest rates will eventually bring
78 Cubsrule : The CRJ-705 is already certified in the United States at no more than 85,000 pounds and no more than 75 passengers. That's 9 more pax than the -700s,
79 Ual777 : The -900 violates the pilots' CBA with the airline if it is not on the mainline seniority list.
80 LAXintl : What it would seat in a United version does not matter -- the -900 is certified in excess of 85 seats in the US and would violate the contract. corre
81 Ual777 : Do you mean 90 seaters on a mainline senority list? If so, what are the deets?
82 UA772IAD : I think you could be right. 757s, at least the newer models will remain on Hawaii routes, but the 321 can competently cover essentially all other 757
83 YXwatcherMKE : I know a UA 1st officer, let me make this very very clear, you will not see any 90 seat UAX A/C. Not now or any time in the future. Nor would I want t
84 Cubsrule : Correct, but ZW could operate up to 18 -705s with no concession from the pilots. That was all I was saying.
85 LACA773 : What exception? That being AW is no longer. If they didn't like or found the 321 to not be conducive to their requirements so be it. US has flown 321
86 PWMRamper : Not that I anticipate it happening, because the odds of it are pretty darn slim, especially with how United and ZW parted ways... But if ZW were to f
87 United1P : As stated before, another "stumbling block" (aside from the PS fleet) is the ETOPS sub-fleet of 16 757's that United operates almost (aside from a fe
88 CRJ900 : Airbus claims the A321 can fly 3,000nm with 185 pax. Many A.netters say that realistic range is 15% less than the manufacturer claims, so that gives
89 Cubsrule : I tend to agree, but it partially depends on what happens with the pilots. Let's say UA really wants 15 CR9s, and they're having a hard time getting
90 RJpieces : Dam, I guess I didn't realize the 737 fleet was that large! I didn't follow United too closely until recently, so what were the most common 737 route
91 United1P : correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's the ETOPS certification that is required to fly to Hawaii that is the issue with the A321. Can the A321 get
92 KGAIflyer : It's possible no one ever asked. Airlines fly the 321 from Ireland and the UK (across the channel) throughout Europe; (across the Atlantic) to Madeir
93 United Airline : I am sick and tired of getting United Express at all times. How big is the fleet? Which is the longest route? Where do they fly? I suppose Express fli
94 DCA-ROCguy : Yet another USA airline struggling with the above-70-to-100 seat category. United flies lots of routes, particularly to medium-sized markets, that cou
95 KGAIflyer : Some of the longer UAX routes are: (1) - SAT-SFO at 1479 miles (Skywest) (2) - YEG-ORD at 1416 miles (Skywest) (3) - IAD-SAT at 1359 miles (Mesa) (4)
96 United1P : SFO is United's major West Coast hub, so yes, it gets mainline service. JFK's only mainline service are the p.s. routes to LAX/SFO, everything else i
97 United1P : And as Widget1580 stated in your other "United Express" thread, the longest UAX route seems to be DEN-YOW, with a distance of 1,517 miles
98 United Airline : What about other mainline routes?
99 BMI727 : Actually, I think that most of the domestic hub-to-hub flights are on the internationally configured planes. I think that they show up from time to t
100 United1P : Nope, although they do get a good amount of internationally configured planes. LAX-SFO gets none, LAX-DEN gets 1, SFO-DEN gets none, DEN-ORD gets 2,
101 USPIT10L : In his mind, if it's not mainline, it's not worth flying, I guess.
102 United Airline : Not that it's not worth flying but I prefer mainline.
103 USPIT10L : That's fine, but until UA gets the money to reinvest in their domestic fleet, UAX will continue to gain US domestic flying. The exPlus product isn't
104 InnocuousFox : Certainly. And there are people who prefer direct flights to connecting. And yet direct flying between all points in a system is not logistically pos
105 D L X : No, that title belongs to US Airways with 219 Airbus jets, 207 of which are A320 series.
106 United Airline : UA was no 1 before right? How many do they have now?
107 Cubsrule : 152 or so.
108 BMI727 : I meant out of the widebodies, but you are right. It would be rare to find a Hawaii configured 777 on DEN-ORD for example.
109 United1P : Oh haha my bad sorry I misunderstood you! But yes, it is rare to find a domestic 777 doing hub-to-hub hops. But there are a lot of domestic 763's doi
110 FUN2FLY : I didn't realize UA's mainline fleet got that small. For comparison, CO's is 250 units at the end of 2009: 753 17 739ER 30 739 12 738 117 737 36 735
111 United1P : Is CO planning on phasing out its classic 737's like UA?
112 BMI727 : The -300s will be leaving, but some of the -500s will stay.
113 United Airline : I suppose the UA-CO merger will take place maybe next year???? By then UA will have a large widebody and narrowbody fleet
114 KGAIflyer : This is what Planespotters says: United Airlines 319 - 55 320 - 43 ------------- Total - 98 Delta / Northwest 319 - 57 320 - 69 330 - 32 ------------
115 United1 : Planespotters is off it doesnt count the former Ted fleet. The current numbers are.... 319 - 55 320 - 97 152 in total....
116 Ytib : That is incorrect. United has 55 A319 and 97 A320. The difference in the A320 could be mainline vs Ted aircraft. The source for my numbers is the 200
117 KGAIflyer : Good catch. So United is, therefore, #3
118 United Airline : Ted is gone right? Did they repaint everything to UA livery?
119 United1 : Ted is gone, every A320 is in UAs mainline livery. They stopped reconfiguring the planes for the busy summer season however.
120 United Airline : Will they reconfigure them later?
121 KGAIflyer : Okay, I've incorporated Chuck's corrections into the list. Btw, I forgot Mexicana which is also a North American Airbus user. United Airlines 319 - 55
122 UA772IAD : Yes.
123 Ytib : Frontier is now up to 4 A320s, and down to 9 318's with another soon to be leaving.
124 United Airline : What does UA fly between NRT and HNL? Also HNL and mainland USA? Any widebodies? Any B 747-400s? They used to fly the B 747 classics a lot.
125 Brilondon : If you think that CO will stop UA express from being the short haul carrier you better get a reality check. CO loves to use the commuter aircraft. Co
126 Apodino : About the A321's, for what UA uses their 757's on right now, the A321 would be a replacement. Much of UA's 757's are for more capacity into the hubs o
127 DCA-ROCguy : Apodino, you're one of several people at this site whose comments I await with interest on this topic. Whatever issues the legacy carriers are having
128 United1P : domestic 777's to HNL from LAX, SFO, and ORD. The rest are domestic 763's and ETOPS 752's.
129 United Airline : How many B 737s and B 727s did they have? Wonder what will be the replacements. A 319/320/321? I mean when the grow again.
130 United Airline : What are the mainline UA flights flying into JFK? Any widebodies? SFO-JFK, LAX-JFK, DEN-JFK????? What else?
131 USPIT10L : Just PS flights SFOJFK and LAXJFK. IADJFK is Express. There is no DENJFK or ORDJFK anymore. IIRC, UA hasn't flown DENJFK since the mid '80s.
132 Cubsrule : Unless UA has a very strange scope clause, Republic should be able to avoid this issue by operating the aircraft on a separate certificate. The 175s
133 United1P : the daily 744 has been downgauged to a daily 777, meaning HNL will no longer see 744 service for the fall schedule[Edited 2009-09-07 19:25:56]
134 USAirALB : US is in first by a long shot
135 KGAIflyer : True! Look at Reply #121 for more on this.
136 Apodino : I was thinking about it in a whole different context. The United Pilot contract is up for negotiation. Now lets assume for a minute that the Frontier
137 Cubsrule : ...except that no one is paying "regional wages" for Airbuses, unless you are arguing that F9's wages were inappropriately low. The acquisition did n
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Will UA Bring Back Its Grounded B747-400s+ B737s? posted Tue May 26 2009 20:28:37 by United Airline
Will LH Ever Upgrade Its D/FW Flight From A 343? posted Wed Oct 1 2008 20:57:51 by IrishAyes
Will BA Ever 'dusk' Its Remaining 767s? posted Thu Dec 28 2006 13:21:48 by 8herveg
Will TG Ever Replce Its A300-600's? posted Tue Oct 17 2006 16:30:12 by ThaiA345
Will UA Ever Replace Their Business Class Seats posted Sun Apr 2 2006 20:06:28 by Cleared2Land4
Will UA Ever Get Out Of Ch.11? posted Sat Jun 5 2004 02:52:04 by Ua777222
Will AA Ever Change Its Livery posted Sat Apr 17 2004 05:27:09 by DfwneedsQF
Will Lufthansa Ever Upgrade Its Economy Class? posted Tue Dec 9 2003 02:47:06 by MEA321
Will Narita Ever Complete Its Parallel Runway? posted Sun Aug 25 2002 21:26:20 by Jsnww81
Usairways:Will It Ever Regain Its Glory? posted Sun Jun 23 2002 08:08:53 by Planefreak