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DL Plans Daily Service To Both UIO And GYE  
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

I don't think it has been addressed here... but DOT filings show that DL has applied for daily 738 service to both UIO and GYE by the summer of 2010, possibly beginning as early as Feb 2010 if economic conditions permit.

DL has polled all US carriers and they have no objections. There are adequate unused frequencies to Ecuador to satisfy DL's request.

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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

UIO maybe works...but GYE might be a little more difficult to work from ATL.....everyone there wants to go to S. FLA.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

I think they basically want to operate UIO daily in peak periods while maintaining at least weekly service to GYE. I'd be surprised if we ever see daily to both cities at the same time.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4779 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
I'd be surprised if we ever see daily to both cities at the same time.

Your not the only one! DL's ATL-GYE route is a joke given that DL can't even manage to operate the route more than thrice weekly during busy periods. I'm surprised that they still keep their GYE station open.

[Edited 2009-08-21 08:51:54]

User currently offlineConcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

This sure is quite the downsize from the 777s that they used to send to UIO and GYE IIRC. I wonder how they managed to justify the aircraft size even then. 738 should be fine in my opinion.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting Concordski (Reply 4):
This sure is quite the downsize from the 777s that they used to send to UIO and GYE IIRC. I wonder how they managed to justify the aircraft size even then. 738 should be fine in my opinion.

Are you sure about the 777s? I don't recall DL operating the 777 to anywhere in South America in the past, especially UIO and GYE.

[Edited 2009-08-21 09:12:38]


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

Just had a few friends move to CUE. Awesome news to get more options down there.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5275 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 4651 times:



Quoting Concordski (Reply 4):
This sure is quite the downsize from the 777s that they used to send to UIO and GYE IIRC. I wonder how they managed to justify the aircraft size even then. 738 should be fine in my opinion.

DL never operated 777's to Ecuador. The largest aircraft DL has ever scheduled to UIO and GYE is the 757.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 3):
Your not the only one! DL's ATL-GYE route is a joke given that DL can't even manage to operate the route more than thrice weekly during busy periods. I'm surprised that they still keep their GYE station open.

Why is it a joke? If that's all they can operate at a profit or at least at break even then that's all that makes sense for them to operate.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
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Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 6):
Just had a few friends move to CUE. Awesome news to get more options down there.

LAN Ecuador recently launched a new daily service between GYE and CUE.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 7):
Why is it a joke? If that's all they can operate at a profit or at least at break even then that's all that makes sense for them to operate.

One weekly flight between GYE and ATL during most of the year is not exactly convenient for most passengers. Maybe cargo is the main reason as to why DL still operates into GYE, however ATL-GYE daily nonstop simply will not succeed.


User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 4548 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
LAN Ecuador recently launched a new daily service between GYE and CUE.

Good to know, but I meant more options to Ecuador in general.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8816 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
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Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 9):
Good to know, but I meant more options to Ecuador in general.

Yes, there are more travel options available to Ecuador. 2K will launch a new route to the U.S. (GYE-JFK) later this year. Also, TACA recently began LIM-GYE-CLO and LAN Perú S.A. launched LIM-UIO-CLO as well.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Once again, DOT data defies the sentments that alot of a.netters seem to have.

DL gets on a mileage adjusted basis on ATLUIO better revenue than AA does on MIAUIO and compareable to AA on GYE.

CO gets higher average fares to UIO from IAH than AA or DL but they no longer serve GYE.

It is apparent that, as we have seen in many other places, DL operates to the service level necessary to generate acceptable revenues PER FLIGHT. DL is not interested in adding capacity that cannot be supported by the market which means they are quite comfortable operating 2-3 times per week if that is all that will generate acceptable yields. Other carriers take much more of a "daily or not at all" mentality to route development. It is because of DL's ability to operate at the service level that is supported by revenue in the market that DL has been able to grow its network.

DL might not be able to support daily service to UIO or GYE on a sustained basis for quite some time but for now, there is no interest by any other carrier in expanding to Ecuador, or if there is, they can do so with whatever frequencies are left after DL's expansion since no one objected to DL's request for 14 weekly frequencies to Ecuador.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 4165 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 5):
I don't recall DL operating the 777 to anywhere in South America in the past, especially UIO and GYE.

Every now and then (and I may be wrong) they have a backlog of cargo and bags that they've left behind because of weight penalties. Usually sending a 757 or a 777 down there will clear that out.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

There are plenty of connections to S. Fl from ATL. Flights to/from ATL has better connections than S FL as DL has cut a number of flights from MCO. Otherwise I would say a MCO flight would be better off.

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 3430 times:
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Quoting Mayor (Reply 5):
Are you sure about the 777s? I don't recall DL operating the 777 to anywhere in South America in the past, especially UIO and GYE

They used it for a limited time period on Sao Paulo route from ATL. In my view, there's room for 772 on both ATL-GRU and ATL-GIG during peak season (right now both are 764)



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2634 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 3378 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
DL has applied for daily 738 service to both UIO and GYE by the summer of 2010



Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
Every now and then (and I may be wrong) they have a backlog of cargo and bags that they've left behind because of weight penalties. Usually sending a 757 or a 777 down there will clear that out.

UIO is 9200 feet above sea level and a flight UIO-ATL is 5 miles longer than CO's UIO-IAH. CO uses a 73G and AA uses a 757 on the shorter UIO-MIA leg.
I wonder what type of weight restrictions will be taken on this 5+ hour leg in a 738.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

I still don't think the 777 has been used for any destination in S. America other than GRU. Because UIO is a unique airport, it probably takes special training to operate a different aircraft type in there; GRU requires a special approval. Because of this, there is not much ability to change equipment.

DL said it planned to use 738s but it had the right to use any aircraft in its fleet. I too expect that the 738 will have weight limitations esp. during peak seasons when baggage runs heavy. If demand is that strong, though, they would likely just go with the 757 which isn't that much bigger but has plenty of "umphh"


User currently offlineEcuadorianMD11 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Excellent news...........if they can pull it off!!

Another plane to watch from my balcony in GYE!!


Ecuadorian MD11


User currently offlineAirplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

UIO has been a success for DL since day 1. GYE has been a bit of a trouble.
Three years ago I recommended to DL sales management in ATL, that GYE will succeed by far if they changed it to JFK/GYE/JFK. That is high loads there.
the 738 is weight restricted from UIO for sure. They should try to get the 757 in for that.

Cheers,

JP



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 2861 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 15):
I wonder what type of weight restrictions will be taken on this 5+ hour leg in a 738.

I thought that was one of the reasons that they took delivery of the 737-700s?



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User currently offlineAirplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2431 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 19):
I thought that was one of the reasons that they took delivery of the 737-700s?

Exactly, I remember the ex-vice president said it himself in a conference in ATL.


JP



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting Airplane (Reply 20):
Exactly, I remember the ex-vice president said it himself in a conference in ATL.

I thought so......I can remember the problems they had with the 737-800 and having to leave baggage and pax behind on many occasions, hence the need for the -700.



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