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European Airline With Most Diverse Fleet  
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6953 posts, RR: 57
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Does Transaero have the least homogenised fleet of any major European carrier? With 46 aircraft flying, and 12 aircraft variants - they have, on average less than 4 of each aircraft variant.

Even within aircraft types – the onboard product differs widely – many aircraft have different seating variances – some 737s have premium economy, some don’t – some have four rows of business class, some three and others two – and even within one aircraft variant (ie 735’s) - Some have route maps – others don’t – some have leather seats – others fabric.

Even more confusingly - some even have a mixture of leather and fabric seats on the same aircraft – and even different types of seating in business class on the same aircraft – some with leg rests, and the row behind - without

This must cause huge customer confusion and dissatisfaction.

With a lack of commonality – how does UN allocate aircraft to routes? For example DME LON is usually a 737 route, with premium economy – but three flights a week are on a 738 – with no premium economy - a real annoyance if you pay for Y+ and get Y-

Boeing 737-300 - 2
Boeing 737-400 - 5
Boeing 737-500 - 9
Boeing 737-800 - 2
Boeing 747-200 - 6
Boeing 747-300 - 4
Boeing 747-400 - 3
Boeing 767-200ER - 3
Boeing 767-300ER - 8
Boeing 777-200 - 1
Boeing 777-200ER - 1
Tupolev Tu-214 - 2


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User currently offlineAustrianZRH From Austria, joined Aug 2007, 1337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Let's look at OS:

Q300 - 9
Q400 - 10
F70 - 9
F100 - 15
CRJ200LR - 10
B737-600 - 1
B737-700 - 2
B737-800 - 7
A319 - 6
A320 - 7
A321 - 5
B767-300ER - 6
B777-200ER - 4

totals: 91 planes on 13 types means 7 planes/type on average; not as bad as Transaero but still pretty diverse...



WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7113 times:

I love airlines which have a wide diversity of a/c!!!


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

I remember that at one point, IB had a very very wide variety of machine


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User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7020 times:

KLM has a quite interesting fleet:

Fokker 50 (still around?)
Fokker 70
Fokker 100 (still around?)
EMB 190
B-737-300
B-737-400
B-737-700
B-737-800
B-737-900
A-330-200
MD-11
B-777-200ER
B-777-300ER
B-747-400M
B-747-400

This from the top of my head. Not entirely sure whether the F50 and F100 are still around. I believe they are being phased out


User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6989 times:
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Quoting Tripple7 (Reply 4):
This from the top of my head. Not entirely sure whether the F50 and F100 are still around. I believe they are being phased out

They are still around, they are slowly being phased out but we will still be seeing them around for a while.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Transaero is expending by buying everything they can get, that explains it. KLM and others on the other hand keep their aircraft very long, which gives a large variety. If you look into the LH group, they fly almost everything you can imagine, but since they offer service for everything anyways, that is no problem for them.

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

SK:

A319-131
A320-232
A330-343
A340-313
B737-400
B737-500
B737-600
B737-700
B737-800
CRJ900
Fokker 50
MD-81
MD-82
MD-87

...thats what I can remember.



seemyseems
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3309 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6706 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 5):
but we will still be seeing them around for a while.

At the end of the year only two will be left, both will be retired early next year.



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User currently offlineBorism From Estonia, joined Oct 2006, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6647 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Does Transaero have the least homogenised fleet of any major European carrier?

Yeah, but can you really call Transaero a major European carrier?

I never quite understood what this airline is. While often described as the most professional russian carrier, it seems to be quite ad hoc looking at their fleet. And while their main business seems to be in charters, they have substantial scheduled services network...

It seems to be hybrid of everything. But maybe that is how Airline should be run in Russia, they sure seem to be quite successful.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24061 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6570 times:



Quoting Tripple7 (Reply 4):
KLM has a quite interesting fleet:

Fokker 50 (still around?)
Fokker 70
Fokker 100 (still around?)
EMB 190
B-737-300
B-737-400
B-737-700
B-737-800
B-737-900
A-330-200
MD-11
B-777-200ER
B-777-300ER
B-747-400M
B-747-400

And B747-400ERF.


User currently offlineIberia747256B From Spain, joined May 2009, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6509 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
I remember that at one point, IB had a very very wide variety of machine

Yeah you´re wright in fact I have the actual fleet from around 2001 wich was formed bY:
9 A340-300 + 5 on order + 5 options
6 DC-10
2 B767-300
2 DC-8-62 (freighters)
10 B747-256B (some of them Combi´s)
21 B757-256 + 8 on order
35 A319/320/321 + 66 on order
6 A300 (the old ones with the 3 man crew)
3 B737
23 B727-256
16 DC-9-30´S
24 MD-87
13 MD-88

and if you add the Air Nostrum fleet and Binter fleet of the time
5 CRJ-200 + 5 orders
15 ATR 72
22 F-50
5 CASA CN 235-200

I know its prehistoric, but since one brought it up, I thought I´d share, today Iberias fleet isn´t that diverse, A320/319/321 and A340-300/600 hmm quite a boring fleet if you ask me I prefered the old one with the diesel 9´s and 727


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

The thing with Russian market is, at least three airlines claim to be best (biggest, most profitable, most proffesional etc.). That makes for SU, S7 and UN.

All of them offer a variety of aircraft, if we count SU partners (such as Aeroflot-Nord, or Aeroflot-Plus) we should come to more variants then UN, although much bigger numbers per type. S7 is little less diversed.

But they all operate on slightly different market - SU is more or less classical legacy carrier, S7 is a general carrier venturing into low fares from time to time, and UN is a big charter player, also operating scheduled routes.



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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned SAS yet! They operate almost every aircraft in existence!

A319, A321(surprisingly no A320s)
A333
A343

B734
B735
B736 (16 of them!)
B73G
B738

MD-81
MD-82
MD-87

F50

CR9

...and the Q400 coming back soon. Did I miss any others?


User currently onlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4892 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6333 times:



Quoting R2rho (Reply 13):
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned SAS yet!

Four hours earlier...

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 7):
SK:




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User currently offlineShamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Lets add FR to the mix!

737-800- loads!

errrrr...... proves less is more!


User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Belle Air (LZ) of Albania at one point last year had the following fleet:

1 MD-82
1 F100
1 BAe 146-200
1 BAe 146-300
1 ATR42
1 A320

This summer they decided to "streamline" their fleet, so they are only flying the following:
1 MD-82
2 BAe 146-300
2 A320
1 A319
1 ATR42 (being replaced by a new ATR72)


User currently offlineVirtual From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Monarch (ZB/MON):

A320
A321
A300-600
A330-200
B757-200
B767-300 (just one!)


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5847 times:



Quoting Iberia747256B (Reply 11):
21 B757-256 + 8 on order

- On order from who? I thought Boeing shut the 757 line down a couple years ago (I think they still could have sold many more copies)? And were the 757 assembled in Washington or at Long Beach?



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3759 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5162 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 18):
On order from who? I thought Boeing shut the 757 line down a couple years ago (I think they still could have sold many more copies)? And were the 757 assembled in Washington or at Long Beach?

Washington. And the IB fleet mentioned in post 11 was the fleet maintained by the airline in 2001, not 2009:

Quoting Iberia747256B (Reply 11):
Yeah you´re wright in fact I have the actual fleet from around 2001 wich was formed bY:

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4691 times:

I know this is 4 seperate airlines however they are all under control of the same parent company, the Thomas Cook Group. Here is a Fleet listing... (Including TCX, TCW, VKG, CFG)

x25 Airbus A320-CFM
x7 Airbus A320-IAE
x10 Airbus A321
x7 Airbus A332
x3 Airbus A333
x16 Boeing 757-200
x15 Boeing 757-300
x3 Boeing 767-300 (CF Engines) *x1 leased to MON - G-DIMB
x9 Boeing 767-300W (PW Engines)


User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Lufthansa will make for an interesting Fleet:

733
735
744
748 (soon)
MD-11

A319
A320
A321
A333
A343
A346
A380 (soon)

Avro 85
CRJ 100 (that right?)
CRJ 200
CRJ 700
CRJ 900

If you count Dolomiti, SN, LX, OS you would have the following in addition

A332
EMB 195
Avro 85
Q300
Q400
F70
F100
736
73G
738
763ER
772
Bae 146-100
Bae146-300
ATR 42
ATR 72

[All together:

Boeing:
733
735
736
73G
738
744
748 (soon)
763
772
MD-11

Airbus:

A319
A320
A321
A332
A333
A343
A346
A380 (soon)

Bomby:
CRJ 100
CRJ 200
CRJ 700
CRJ 900
Q300
Q400

BAe:
Avro 85
Avro 100
146-100
146-300

Fokker:
F70
F100

ATR:
42
72

EMB 195
____________________
33 types!

Hope that is right.



As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8739 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

You cannot count types flown by sub contractoirs to a carriers fleet. That goes for separate airlines within a group as well.

LH Cargo, OS, LX etc are all separate companies within the LH group who may operate specialized fleets like MD11F

BTW you forgot the 744F of Jade as well as the 777F of Aero Logic.



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4314 times:



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
You cannot count types flown by sub contractoirs to a carriers fleet.

Well I think I made it quite clear for everyone that these aircrafts are operated by different airlines of the Lufthansa group.  sarcastic 

However, as they obviously do just can switch orders under these airlines I just noted all the different aircraft types which (will) operated for the Lufthansa group.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
BTW you forgot the 744F of Jade as well as the 777F of Aero Logic.

No, I didn't forget them. As these airlines are not fully owned by Lufthansa (unlike the others, as far as I know) I left them out.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

What about AF: If you count its regional franchises it gives:

Fokker70
Fokker 100
Bae146
E-120
E-135
E-145
E-190
737-500 (not sure they are still around)
A318
A319
A320
A321
A330
A340-300
772
77W
747-400
soon A380

Regards BM airplane  wave 



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25 SandroZRH : They have been gone for a long time.
26 ZKEOJ : I am booked on AMS-CGN in April, and CGN-AMS in May next year, so they seem to keep them for a bit longer. just as ell - I like the good old F50s! Ch
27 Someone83 : Actually, Wideroe, which is 100% owned by SAS operates the Q400, along wit hthe dash-8 -100 and -300
28 American 767 : The last one left the fleet two years ago. Air France no longer flies the 737. Yes, the 757 used to be assembled in Renton where the 707, 727 and Cla
29 Columba : Air Berlin Q400 737-700 737-800 A319 A320 A321 A330 if you add Belair also 757 767 and a few years back they had F100 and 737-300s in that mix as well
30 RootsAir : Thanks for the info! when was. No wonder I haven't seen them in GVA anymore ! Regards BM
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