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Rumor: Delta To Cancel Remaining 777 Orders?  
User currently offlineMech24 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20873 times:

Has anybody else heard the rumor that Delta has or will cancel its remaining 777 orders?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8898 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20789 times:

If anything, the more persistent rumor that's gone around is Delta will defer/cancel the 787 order and replace that order with 777s. Not sure how accurate either is.

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20670 times:

I think DL is just being shrewd about their 787 order. I think they really want all 789s and are "playing for position" for when the 789 comes closer to reality.
DL loves their 777s BTW, I'd be surprised if they cancel the remaining.



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User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20551 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 2):
DL loves their 777s BTW, I'd be surprised if they cancel the remaining.

I agree. This is even more obvious when you think the changed 2 787s for 777s.

Dave



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User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20046 times:

I don't see Delta getting rid of their 777 orders, especially since they really want 789s right now. Delta seems to really really like the 777 right now and doesn't seem to want to put a lot of eggs in the 787 basket right now (probably wise). I don't think we will see the cancelation of any 777 orders, what you might see is having standing orders changed to a different type (a 772 for a 773 for example) to replace some NW 744s or something like that

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6893 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19804 times:

As I understand it, they have ordered 18 and received 16. The last two were ordered in July 2008.

Looking at the 777 fleets of CO, UA and AA, it seems unlikely that DL want/need no more than 16. In fact, I'd expect them to order more.

I wonder how long it'll be before someone speculates that this might mean that DL are thinking of more A330s...? Oops, I just did!  Wink


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1876 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19706 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
I wonder how long it'll be before someone speculates that this might mean that DL are thinking of more A330s...? Oops, I just did! Wink

Cue in the "Delta will never order anything from Airbus again" response from DL/Boeing fanboy in 3... 2... 1...


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User currently offlineMech24 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19653 times:

Just wondering if anybody else had heard the rumor. The rumor going around in DL maintenance is that DL had cancelled the remaining 777 orders due to some dispute/falling out with Boeing.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 19624 times:
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Quoting Mech24 (Reply 7):
Just wondering if anybody else had heard the rumor. The rumor going around in DL maintenance is that DL had cancelled the remaining 777 orders due to some dispute/falling out with Boeing.

What? That sounds insane. But then again rumors can be insane.

I think many of us are hoping to see a 77W order to replace the gas guzzling 744s......  Confused

[Edited 2009-08-22 01:14:54]

User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 19385 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 5):
As I understand it, they have ordered 18 and received 16. The last two were ordered in July 2008.

Looking at the 777 fleets of CO, UA and AA, it seems unlikely that DL want/need no more than 16. In fact, I'd expect them to order more.

First you say that Delta has 16 777s. Then you say that it's unlikely DL will want/need more than 16. And THEN you say you expect them to order more?

...Did I get that right?



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19149 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 9):
First you say that Delta has 16 777s. Then you say that it's unlikely DL will want/need more than 16. And THEN you say you expect them to order more?

...Did I get that right?

No, unfortunately you did not get it right. He (PM) actually said "it seems unlikely that DL want/need no more than 16" (emphasis added). Translation: PM thinks it is likely DL do want/need more than 16.


There were no 777 cancellations reported in the Boeing weekly report ending Tuesday. Of course there could have been cancellations in the later part of the week which will not show up till next Thursday. However, if Delta have indeed cancelled two 777s, wouldn't Delta have been required by SEC statutes to announce said cancellation because it is a material financial event?.



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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 18793 times:



Quoting Mech24 (Reply 7):
due to some dispute/falling out with Boeing.

What dispute is there?


User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 879 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18490 times:

DL's 9th and 10th 77L's were due for delivery in Mar 2010 and Apr 2010. Even if you add on the production delay of about 10 weeks due to the strike, the aircraft are still due for delivery within a year. I understood delivery could not be cancelled within that period without significant financial penalties.

PA515


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 18378 times:



Quoting WestWing (Reply 10):
However, if Delta have indeed cancelled two 777s, wouldn't Delta have been required by SEC statutes to announce said cancellation because it is a material financial event?.

I believe so.

Quoting Mech24 (Reply 7):

DL could have in fact made the threat but I don't believe Delta would really do it nor would Boeing let DL.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):

As I understand it, they have ordered 18 and received 16. The last two were ordered in July 2008.

This is right. 2 ordered 27 options.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
Looking at the 777 fleets of CO, UA and AA, it seems unlikely that DL want/need no more than 16. In fact, I'd expect them to order more.

DL has said before they want atleast 30 LRs. They also want to look for 2nd hand ERs with Trents. The Idea would be to get the ERs up to 20.

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
I wonder how long it'll be before someone speculates that this might mean that DL are thinking of more A330s...? Oops, I just did!

I don't believe this would mean anything as far as 330s go. A 332 or 333 can't replace a 77L. Plus I believe these birds will be 207 ETOPS along with 7106,7107,7108. Giving them 5 207min birds and 5 198min birds.
BTW. At this point DL wont likely be getting anything other than 777s. They just don't need any more 330s. To bad NW picked PW for the 330 fleet. A few more 332s with 73K engines would be a good add to the fleet. (I believe GE has a 72 or 73K engine don't they? And the Trent 772 is 73K right?)



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18036 times:
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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
don't believe this would mean anything as far as 330s go. A 332 or 333 can't replace a 77L. Plus I believe these birds will be 207 ETOPS along with 7106,7107,7108. Giving them 5 207min birds and 5 198min birds.
BTW. At this point DL wont likely be getting anything other than 777s. They just don't need any more 330s. To bad NW picked PW for the 330 fleet. A few more 332s with 73K engines would be a good add to the fleet. (I believe GE has a 72 or 73K engine don't they? And the Trent 772 is 73K right?)

Can't the engines be switched over to GE if they have better performance and if that's what DL wants?


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17889 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
Can't the engines be switched over to GE if they have better performance and if that's what DL wants?

At the factory on purchase we are sure of, can a carrier simply switch engines not sure, they could probably send it back to the OEM for an engine change and other software updates required, how cost effective that would be is the question, I'll wager its checper simply to sell that a/c and lease one with the engine of your choice.

The principle is what they were initially discussing with the 787 design, where switching engines would be a simple issue, software on the a/c would not require a change, engines would be designed for a standard nacelle, and any engine management software may be internal on the engine itself, how far they got with that I do not know, too much other stuff going on with the a/c.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17867 times:
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Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
At the factory on purchase we are sure of, can a carrier simply switch engines not sure, they could probably send it back to the OEM for an engine change and other software updates required, how cost effective that would be is the question, I'll wager its checper simply to sell that a/c and lease one with the engine of your choice.

The principle is what they were initially discussing with the 787 design, where switching engines would be a simple issue, software on the a/c would not require a change, engines would be designed for a standard nacelle, and any engine management software may be internal on the engine itself, how far they got with that I do not know, too much other stuff going on with the a/c.

Very interesting. I wasn't sure how it works. Thanks for the information Par13del.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17746 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
Can't the engines be switched over to GE if they have better performance and if that's what DL wants?

Not sure about the A330 family but I would assume that they can but it wouldn't be worth it.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
The principle is what they were initially discussing with the 787 design, where switching engines would be a simple issue, software on the a/c would not require a change, engines would be designed for a standard nacelle, and any engine management software may be internal on the engine itself, how far they got with that I do not know, too much other stuff going on with the a/c.

I thought it was said they aren't doing this on the 787 now but i'm not 100% sure.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
At the factory on purchase we are sure of, can a carrier simply switch engines not sure, they could probably send it back to the OEM for an engine change and other software updates required, how cost effective that would be is the question, I'll wager its checper simply to sell that a/c and lease one with the engine of your choice.

Or lease out the ones you have and buy new ones.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 12):
DL's 9th and 10th 77L's were due for delivery in Mar 2010 and Apr 2010. Even if you add on the production delay of about 10 weeks due to the strike, the aircraft are still due for delivery within a year. I understood delivery could not be cancelled within that period without significant financial penalties.

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User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

The 744s will be going away within three years. The 777 will replace them. Delta will not cancel 777 orders. They may convert some 788 orders over to 777.

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16883 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
At the factory on purchase we are sure of, can a carrier simply switch engines not sure, they could probably send it back to the OEM for an engine change and other software updates required, how cost effective that would be is the question, I'll wager its checper simply to sell that a/c and lease one with the engine of your choice.

The principle is what they were initially discussing with the 787 design, where switching engines would be a simple issue, software on the a/c would not require a change, engines would be designed for a standard nacelle, and any engine management software may be internal on the engine itself, how far they got with that I do not know, too much other stuff going on with the a/c.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
Not sure about the A330 family but I would assume that they can but it wouldn't be worth it.

I can't remember whether it's the 787, A380 or both that has common engine mounts, but anecdotally it sounds like swapping engines on a current a/c would be essentially akin to doing a tranny swap from an auto to a manual on a car, which is to say that it would be very time consuming and quite expensive with a good bit of modification, albeit doable. The same principle is at work where you only do that because you really love THAT car (not just the model in general), but obviously I doubt an airline gives a hoot about one particular airframe. Although obviously Super 27's and KC-135R's show that it can be done (AFAIK at least the Super 27's were mods and not new builds while at least some of the -135's were new builds but I could be wrong), I would submit that in those cases the new engines were far and away superior to the originals, whereas just going from Trent to an equivalent GE or etc. would not make that much of an operational difference aside from simplifying mx.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8343 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15950 times:
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Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 9):
First you say that Delta has 16 777s. Then you say that it's unlikely DL will want/need more than 16. And THEN you say you expect them to order more?

...Did I get that right?

Delta will need more then 32 and even 48 777. The 777 is the only plane capable of flying to Asia, save the 744, and Middle East from the USA. The A330 are capable of west coast to Japan but try DTW to China with an A330, it won't make it.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15887 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
and Middle East from the USA.

TLV has been operated with the 767 in the past.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15806 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
Can't the engines be switched over to GE if they have better performance and if that's what DL wants?

At the factory on purchase we are sure of, can a carrier simply switch engines not sure, they could probably send it back to the OEM for an engine change and other software updates required, how cost effective that would be is the question, I'll wager its checper simply to sell that a/c and lease one with the engine of your choice.

Changing engine types would cost millions, with the "software" costs being almost nothing. Different engines would require: different pylons, different thrust reversers, different ECS ducts, different wiring, etc.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15721 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 17):
Quoting Par13del (Reply 15):
The principle is what they were initially discussing with the 787 design, where switching engines would be a simple issue, software on the a/c would not require a change, engines would be designed for a standard nacelle, and any engine management software may be internal on the engine itself, how far they got with that I do not know, too much other stuff going on with the a/c.

I thought it was said they aren't doing this on the 787 now but i'm not 100% sure.

The standard engine hardware/software is still in the 787 design. What's changed is the amount of time required for an engine swap, it's gone up, but it can still be completed by the customer's powerplant people in their own hangars, no trip back to the OEM is required.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15070 times:



Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 9):
Then you say that it's unlikely DL will want/need more than 16



Quoting LHCVG (Reply 19):
I can't remember whether it's the 787,



Quoting 474218 (Reply 22):
Changing engine types would cost millions, with the "software" costs being almost nothing. Different engines would require: different pylons, different thrust reversers, different ECS ducts, different wiring, etc.

This is not true on the 787. It was specifically designed with common engine mounts so that swaps could be done very easily with minimal costs. Initially, some even speculated a 787 culd be flown with a GE under one wing and a RR under the other- hyperbole, I'm sure. However, as the program has progressed, it has changed to where the process would be a little more involved than that, but still very simple and cost minimal. This certainly appeals to leasing companies, and airlines with mixed fleet plans, i.e. post merger, etc. It is a very clever idea, I think.

MCIGuy explain it better than I could.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 23):
The standard engine hardware/software is still in the 787 design. What's changed is the amount of time required for an engine swap, it's gone up, but it can still be completed by the customer's powerplant people in their own hangars, no trip back to the OEM is required.




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25 Bmacleod : Probably just a rumor....I' d be surprised to see DL cancel 77Ls they are very critical to DL's long-haul fleet. Now regarding the 787, that is a ope
26 Pink77W : thats y its called a rumor
27 Keesje : The only thing I know they ordred the 787 and would get some of the earliest ones. They would use them on the Pacific. They said it had become uncerta
28 Flashmeister : I disagree, especially in the case of the LR. The A350 is vaporware and the A330 can't do what the 777-200LR can do, and DL has said that it's hungry
29 DiscoverCSG : Yes, that's true. TLV is about the nearest part of the Middle East ATL or JFK. While the 763 can make JFK-TLV without significant problems, the same
30 Bobnwa : As is the 787 at this point in time.
31 Jfk777 : The Delta 767 is flown from JFK to Istanbul, Cairo, Amman and TLV. From ATL a 777 must be used as it has to Dubai, Kuwait and TLV. IF DL ever flies t
32 MCOflyer : No way in heck they will cancel the 777's. They are the pride of their fleet. If anything, DL will add more and order 77W to replace 744's as one memb
33 LACA773 : I had a feeling it would be very expensive to re-engine the a/c with DL preferences. It seems like it would be more cost effective to buy new planes?
34 1337Delta764 : I agree that it is very unlikely that DL will cancel any 777 orders. In fact, I would expect that DL will convert some to the 773ER. As for the 787, I
35 MCOflyer : I agree but with the RR Er's would be possible to operate both GE and RR or would it cost too much? One member said that DL is even looking at second
36 JBirdAV8r : I thought one of the 787 design features were 24-hour engine type swaps, with common interfaces and identical pylons...
37 1337Delta764 : Well, DL operates both GE- and P&W-powered 763(ER)s, so I wouldn't be surprised if that occured. As for the 772ER, DL already operates them with RR e
38 BMI727 : Originally it was, but now the time required has become longer, though such switches will be far easier on the 787 than any previous aircraft. Basica
39 Mayor : I still think that #2 is the most plausible option. They'll eventually need something to replace the 767, anyway and if the 787 eventually proves its
40 DeltaL1011man : IMO a mixed fleet is likely. I believe NW/DL has already had to give RR atleast some money for the 36 Trents on order. No need to not have a mixed fl
41 Khobar : The dispute is simple: DL demanded the last two 777's be free as penalty payment for 787 lateness. Boeing told them to take a hike. LOL.
42 Bobnwa : Do you have source for that info?
43 Flyibaby : From what I have heard, they aren't cancelling anything yet, however they are deferring deliveries for ALL A/C types after these two 777 deliveries.
44 DeltaMD90 : It's a joke dude
45 Post contains links and images Keesje : If NWA needs atlantic capasity and one phone call to Leahy is enough to get another 5 copies within 18 months, they'll just do it. No doubt. They said
46 Alitalia744 : To ensure purchasing power, it would be in Delta's best interests to publicly state they'll be an "opportunistic" purchaser in the future. Common sen
47 Bobnwa : I'm like wow at that news. I like didn't know that.
48 OA412 : IMHO, it would also be in DL's best interest to be a true "opportunistic" purchaser and avoid things like purchasing mainline equipment exclusviely f
49 MCIGuy : True, but there is also something to be said for the savings associated with not having too many types in your fleet[Edited 2009-08-23 16:00:31]
50 Mech24 : are they still taking delivery of the last 3 737-700s?
51 DeltaL1011man : Yes. DL is taking 3 73Gs this year, 2 73Hs, 3 M90s and 2 77Ls next year. Right next to that A380 order right?
52 Mayor : " target=_blank>http://blog.seattlepi.com/print.asp?...54674 That report is almost a year old. Many, many things have happened since then. I don't th
53 Ikramerica : A fleet of 50 or so 772s has suited AA well enough. If DL is looking to that model for long range aircraft rather than anything larger (dumping 744s,
54 DeltaMD90 : what? Anyway, to the people saying DL is going to buy 330s, I'm not going to be the stereotypical DL fanboy and say DL will never order Airbus but I
55 ElmoTheHobo : The A330 is an excellent aircraft and certainly fits many of DL's needs better than the 777 would, due in no small part that the 777 is far too big f
56 OA412 : Excellent post. Couldn't have said it any better.
57 Flighty : Yup, the question is which additional machinery is needed. I am skeptical that DL needs a huge amount of additional heavy iron (bigger than the 767).
58 Ikramerica : But DL has a very large fleet of 763ER and 764ER to cover the TATL routes, so it's not a matter of 77E v. A333 for that use. The A333 limits DL becau
59 Post contains images Keesje : ? they have more 747s flying key routes. Don't understand what you mean. Why is the 777 the flagship ? I have the impression when discussing Delta in
60 Par13del : So what do you do with all the routes that DL operates with the 767, note that the A330 in all variants is larger so your issue with the 777 being to
61 Panamair : Depends on what flagship means and what one means by "key routes". This winter, the 744 will only be flying to NRT, NGO and MNL from the U.S., wherea
62 DeltaL1011man : IMO DL wont get 77Ws. It could happen but I believe 77Ls are the furture for new ordered 777s for Delta. A mix of 788s and 789s will work to replace
63 Jetlanta : This is correct. Anyone waiting for a large replacement order for 767's is going to be waiting a long time. Those birds have a lot of life left in th
64 Trex8 : GE can't match Pratts Advantage 70 or Trent 700EP - yet anyway and maybe never if the USAF don't select the A330 for the KC45 the marketing people go
65 Mayor : You do mean 777s, don't you?
66 BMI727 : Any chance that the "opportunity" in question could be getting sweetheart deals from Boeing like they have since the 90s? Honestly, I think that if (
67 CHRISBA777ER : A lot of people confuse what they wish would happen with what is going to happen. Fact is DL wont be ordering anything for while and when they do, the
68 CokePopper : Careful now, your shooting a hole through the Unions # 1 argument that "its not your Delta anymore" and the Evil NW management is really in control.
69 DeltaL1011man : I'm not sure but at most its half and like you said I would say 35% is a good number. yes. Thanks for pointing it out. Cant fix it though. has a high
70 Keesje : NWA outsourced more in support as well global sales, not exactly helping labor relations.. Its not the numbers. I look at SVP positions, bank account
71 DeltaL1011man : Here is the CLT. DAL-S= DeltaSouth aka Pre-merger Delta DAL-N= DeltaNorth aka NWA Richard H. Anderson Chief Executive Officer (DAL-S)* (sorry he was
72 Panamair : Gorman is in the same situation as Anderson. Even though he was at NWA, he did leave and go to Greyhound, before joining Delta pre-merger.
73 0NEWAIR0 : Ahhh, that makes since. For some reason I kept missing the "no." I must have read the line more than 10 times before I posted.
74 DeltaL1011man : What did he do before he was COO? Was Becker the last COO of NW then? I don't believe he is staying with Delta and is leaveing as soon as they shut d
75 Bobnwa : No he did not have a CEO job after NWA. He was a VP at a healthcare company
76 DeltaL1011man : I'm sorry your right. I'm not sure why i thought he was CEO of UnitedHealth.
77 Ikramerica : Uh huh. Reality is relative for some people. Why does everyone think the 789 is a 763 replacement? That's like saying the 77W or the A346 is an MD11/
78 DeltaMD90 : One thing that everyone on this board should read regarding Delta always buying Boeing and the great relationship they had: look at history. Delta was
79 Mayor : He was Executive Vice President of UnitedHealth Group and President of United Health's Commercial Markets Group.
80 DeltaL1011man : Not sure. I'm just going off what AA seems to want to do. I agreed 57 789s would be to much though. The oldest is 20 years. Replacing a long haul air
81 1337Delta764 : Not all airlines replace aircraft directly based on size, for example, many airlines replaced their L-1011 and DC-10 fleets with 777s. However, Delta
82 Keesje : Well, looking at backlogs they should start looking around about.. now. (they always do). Although I could imagine the 120 MD88/DC9s are higher on th
83 DeltaL1011man : ........they have 787 orders. Why look? Been done. again they have. They will start replacing the 88s with M90s and 737NGs. They (Delta) don't like t
84 Bobnwa : When has Delta ever indicated a like or dislike for the Cseries?
85 DeltaL1011man : I guess dislike is the wrong word for the Cseries. "unproven/Uncertain" is better. The E90/95 is "Unreliable"......When it comes down to it they want
86 Post contains images Keesje : The CSeries offers state of the art 130 seaters with maybe 20% lower operating costs the the 737 and their large A319/A320 fleet, leaving out the MD8
87 Bobnwa : Might be a good idea to do a little research into the C series and the E90/95 before making those type of pronouncements, since Delta has never comme
88 MoltenRock : Pretty hard to take you seriously when you freely admit such ingrained "fanboy" logic.
89 DeltaL1011man : read the chats Bob. Talk to pilots Bob. Every time its asked in a chat its get shot down. I (me as in Caleb) doesn't know much about the Cseries. Tha
90 Keesje : Every aircraft is financed / launched unproven. Airlines like Delta buy "unproven" aircraft by the hundreds.
91 Bobnwa : Are you seriously suggesting that pilots of any airline have more knowledge about aircraft orders or corporate intentions than any other employee. No
92 Airbuske : Indeed. As I have said in other threads, "officially", the only airplane that DAL wants to get their hands on at the moment is the MD-90. Personally,
93 Brons2 : 10 Y in a 787?? What are they going to be transporting, a plane full of kindergarten age children?
94 FlyASAGuy2005 : DCI is pretty full at the moment. Someone please correct. I know their a limit on CR7s and obviously on 76 seaters. Are there any known numbers on ho
95 Ikramerica : ROFL. Meant 9Y, instead of 8Y. Would be cool if they had a "children's section" on aircraft, stuck them all in their own cabin with smaller seats, wi
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