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CX: LAX-HKG: Goes All 77W. Next In Line: JL? SQ?  
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10652 times:
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Hi All,

This week airlineblogspot.com had the latest CX schedule and equipment for LAX. We've know for quite sometime, they were going to completely phase out the 744 in favor the 77Ws. The last day for the 744 to be operated on CX's HKG-LAX-HKG route is 17 December 2009. CX's twice daily nonstops will both be flown with the 77W. Link: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...ific-phase-out-747-lax-flight.html

This makes sense with the economical challenges all over the world and knowing how much more economical the 77W is compared to the 744 and how loads/yields have dropped off remarkably just about everywhere.

Who will be next? JL? SQ? I know that JL has been planning on transitioning their LAX-Narita flight for sometime. Does anyone have a date?

What about SQ? Will they downgrade their SIN-NRT-LAX flight to a 77W untl things improve enough to warrant an upgauge to their whalejet, 388s?

Thoughts..?

LACA773

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 10532 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
Who will be next? JL? SQ? I know that JL has been planning on transitioning their LAX-Narita flight for sometime. Does anyone have a date?

25Oct09.

This was mentioned on the same website a few weeks ago.

Also MH will switch to 772 to LAX eff 24Oct09 (arrival).

SQ are supposed to park all their few remaining 744s by the end of the year and it's believed that they will switch to 77Ws to LAX as well.

We'll just have to follow the Airline Route blog for more news.

Also UA is changing to a 777 LAX-NRT eff 1Sep09.

The777Man



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 10519 times:

ALL of JL's NRT-LAX to go B 777-200ERs?

Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
Hi All,

This week airlineblogspot.com had the latest CX schedule and equipment for LAX. We've know for quite sometime, they were going to completely phase out the 744 in favor the 77Ws. The last day for the 744 to be operated on CX's HKG-LAX-HKG route is 17 December 2009. CX's twice daily nonstops will both be flown with the 77W. Link: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200....html

CX will eventually replace most if not all B 747-400 flights to North America with B 777-300ERs. But the B 777-300ERs are not replacing the B 747-400s. The B 747-400s will be placed elsewhere, mostly European flights


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 10515 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Also MH will switch to 772 to LAX eff 24Oct09 (arrival).

So where will they place the two B 747-400s to?


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10290 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
25Oct09.

This was mentioned on the same website a few weeks ago.

Also MH will switch to 772 to LAX eff 24Oct09 (arrival).

SQ are supposed to park all their few remaining 744s by the end of the year and it's believed that they will switch to 77Ws to LAX as well.

We'll just have to follow the Airline Route blog for more news.

Also UA is changing to a 777 LAX-NRT eff 1Sep09.

The777Man

Thanks for all the great information, The777Man. I apreciate it and I'm sure many others will too.

I wonder when we'll hear more about SQ's plans to change the equipment no their SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN flight? I believe before the economy went awry, the plans were to place a 388s on this route and SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN.

How will UA's downgauging their LAX-NRT flight effect those who always take UA and have been treated to their nice new premium cabins? I'm sure there will not be many happy UA premium customers though the masses in the main cabin will be happy with a somewhat better product.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
ALL of JL's NRT-LAX to go B 777-200ERs?

No. They will be utilizing 777-300ERs (77W) not 777-200ERs (77E).
AA currently uses their flagship 77Es to NRT and UA will be doing so also.
KE flies a 772 on their ICN-NRT-LAX-NRT-ICN flight.

The way it's looking, DL/NW will be the only one's using the 744 on their LAX-NRT trip unless they plan on changing it to a 330 or 77E or 77L (unlikely) which would make their product much more competitive.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10121 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
This week airlineblogspot.com had the latest CX schedule and equipment for LAX. We've know for quite sometime, they were going to completely phase out the 744 in favor the 77Ws. The last day for the 744 to be operated on CX's HKG-LAX-HKG route is 17 December 2009. CX's twice daily nonstops will both be flown with the 77W. Link: http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...ific-phase-out-747-lax-flight.html

So far it is only for W09/10. Lets wait and see S09/10.

On the other hand:
HKG-YVR-HKG is back to 744 3 x per week on CX838/839
HKG-JNB-HKG is back is going to 7 x per week 744 instead of planned 77W and 744 mix.
HKG-CDG-HKG is going to 10 x per week (18DEC09 to 06JAN10)

That leaves SFO as the last U.S. destination served by the 744 in W09/10.

Leo  Smile



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

It is not all set in stone. If business picks up and the third daily LAX flight is re-introduced, then it will be the 744 to LAX still, as there are not enough 77Ws in the fleet to do 3xdaily LAX for now. Eventually though, the 744 will not fly to North America on passenger services for Cathay which of course is not news, but the plan from the start.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9851 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
So where will they place the two B 747-400s to?

AMS will go from 777 to 744.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 4):
How will UA's downgauging their LAX-NRT flight effect those who always take UA and have been treated to their nice new premium cabins

True, the main difference will be for people in Business class as the First Claas is very similiar with the old and new configurations. UA will start to refurbish the 777s early next year with the new seats so hopefully the new configurations on the 777 will be flying from LAX early next year.

I think DL may change equipment by spring next year and SQ by early next year at the latetest.

The777Man



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4417 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9825 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 6):
Eventually though, the 744 will not fly to North America on passenger services for Cathay which of course is not news, but the plan from the start.

I agree, which is why I admit that I am often amused by the numerous posts by some a.nutters insisting that CX *HAS* to get the A389 at some point despite the airline clearly revamping its network such that VLAs would be plainly counteproductive to the airline's business model.



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User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9792 times:



Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
CX will eventually replace most if not all B 747-400 flights to North America with B 777-300ERs. But the B 777-300ERs are not replacing the B 747-400s. The B 747-400s will be placed elsewhere, mostly European flights

will eventually replace,,, but are not replacing????
what do you mean to say?


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9714 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 7):
AMS will go from 777 to 744.

Was AMS ever a 777 flight? I've only seen 744's at AMS (since the change from the 343). I'm not there everyday of course, but also looking at their site, it doesn't seem that they send the 777 to AMS (at least on a regular basis).



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9683 times:

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 9):
Quoting United Airline (Reply 2):
CX will eventually replace most if not all B 747-400 flights to North America with B 777-300ERs. But the B 777-300ERs are not replacing the B 747-400s. The B 747-400s will be placed elsewhere, mostly European flights

will eventually replace,,, but are not replacing????
what do you mean to say?

He is saying that the 77W is not a direct replacement of the 744. So the 744 will eventually be replaced by another aircraft type. Still to be ordered  

Quoting Kappel (Reply 10):
Was AMS ever a 777 flight? I've only seen 744's at AMS (since the change from the 343). I'm not there everyday of course, but also looking at their site, it doesn't seem that they send the 777 to AMS (at least on a regular basis).

You are talking about CX! Which was 343 and is now 744 since a while.

But he was talking about MH! Which goes from 772 to 744 as he stated below

Quoting The777Man (Reply 7):
AMS will go from 777 to 744.

All make sense now?

Leo  

[Edited 2009-08-22 10:33:21]


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9668 times:



Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 9):
will eventually replace,,, but are not replacing????
what do you mean to say?

The B 777-300ERs will replace most if not all B 747-400 flights to NORTH AMERICA only. But the B 747-400 fleet will still be around and will be placed on other routes such as European routes


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9516 times:

Any word on when SFO will go all 77W? Maybe this could mean a 3rd flight a few times a week. Don't get me wrong I love being the last plane in N America to see the 744, but a change or mix up is always nice for us airplane geeks.


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User currently offlinePink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9394 times:

AS739X you stoled my question.! I live in Santa Cruz. CX773ER is my favorite.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9342 times:



Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 11):
You are talking about CX! Which was 343 and is now 744 since a while.

But he was talking about MH! Which goes from 772 to 744 as he stated below

Ah, I see that now, I assumed it was about CX as this is a CX thread, Indeed, MH has replaced the 744 with a 772 to AMS.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9273 times:



Quoting Pink77W (Reply 14):

Last year I was told by a manager with CX it would be fall '09, but obviously isn't happening. So figured I had to ask on here, maybe get us an answer.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9116 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
What about SQ? Will they downgrade their SIN-NRT-LAX flight to a 77W until things improve enough to warrant an upgauge to their whalejet, 388s?

Yes, exactly.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 4):
I wonder when we'll hear more about SQ's plans to change the equipment on their SIN-NRT-LAX-NRT-SIN flight?

All the SQ passenger JumboJets are due for retirement by the end of the fiscal year (31 March 2010), so we're likely to know the switchover date before the end of the calendar year.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 4):
I believe before the economy went awry, the plans were to place a 388s on this route and SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN.

That's correct. It will still probably happen someday but, right now, the loads and yields are insufficient to support anything larger than a 777-300ER.


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9037 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 15):
744 with a 772 to AMS.

And back to 744 when LAX goes to 772

Quoting AS739X (Reply 16):
Last year I was told by a manager with CX it would be fall '09, but obviously isn't happening. So figured I had to ask on here, maybe get us an answer.

Like CX flyboy already mentioned, CX does not have sufficient 77Ws yet in order to cover the entire North American network and its frequencies.

So until there are more in the fleet and there is no permanent aircraft swap from 77W to 744 on another route, the 744 will stay at SFO.

Leo



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9019 times:
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No surprise to see the Cathay 744 go away from LAX, Europe is an hour closer to HKG. The 77W are important for service to the eastern parts of North America where Cathay serves JFK and Toronto. Cathay has been in Canada for close to 30 years now. Cathay's North American destiations are served multiple times daily while most European cities are flown once daily, except for four times daily LHR.

User currently offlinePink77W From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Thank u LEO, that is what i figured

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 17):
Yes, exactly.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 17):
All the SQ passenger JumboJets are due for retirement by the end of the fiscal year (31 March 2010), so we're likely to know the switchover date before the end of the calendar year.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 17):
That's correct. It will still probably happen someday but, right now, the loads and yields are insufficient to support anything larger than a 777-300ER.

Thankyou Zvezda for the information. It's much apreciated and very interesting.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6675 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

I've also heard from a friend that Air China (CA) will start flying 777-300/ERs to LAX eventually when they get them, although they may get them for another year or two. It makes a lot of sense to replace the 744s with 77Ws.

Still wish VN would start sevice here with 777s but perhaps they will wait until they get their 787s ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8603 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
I've also heard from a friend that Air China (CA) will start flying 777-300/ERs to LAX eventually when they get them, although they may get them for another year or two. It makes a lot of sense to replace the 744s with 77Ws.

Still wish VN would start sevice here with 777s but perhaps they will wait until they get their 787s ?

The777Man

I've been wondering about VN starting service to, either LAX or SFO, perhaps both?

Is there a website that gives a valid lists of each airlines fleets, orders, retirements etc?


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8286 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 4):

How will UA's downgauging their LAX-NRT flight effect those who always take UA and have been treated to their nice new premium cabins? I'm sure there will not be many happy UA premium customers though the masses in the main cabin will be happy with a somewhat better product.

It is a temporary, seasonal change. NRT-LAX will be a 747 during the "high season" of Spring and Summer. Of course, because there are no announcements of 744 retirements (at UA), it is possible that this equipment change could fold if the economy recovers and Transpacific yields begin to grow again. This has happened before. Last winter UA initially announced SFO-SYD going to a 777 for the Australian summer and it never happened.

Those who are accustomed to premium cabin have the choice of biting the bullet, flying up to SFO or flying on another carrier.


25 CX flyboy : For Cathay, SFO is planned next year but as I alluded to earlier, it depends on certain things such as the third LAX frequency. If that is brought bac
26 Olympic472 : Look to SQ switching to their 773ER when load dips, or when they need the opportunity to intro their new product for competitive reasons on the SIN-NR
27 Ikramerica : LAX is losing 747s fast. It won't be that long before the majority of 747s into LAX are cargo. As of Jan 1, who will still have 747s into LAX?
28 VN777 : Routing will be SGN-KIX-LAX with a 772. 3 years delayed, now planned for October 2010.
29 LACA773 : KE + (Is it possible we'll see KE start flying 77Ws since they have multiple flights with the 744s and use a mix in addition to the 77E they use thre
30 Kaitak744 : British Airways 2x (3x for summer) Lufthansa from FRA 1x KLM 1x Virgin (1x sometimes) Korean 2x Asiana 1x Qantas 3-5x Delta/NWA from NRT 1x United fr
31 AirlineAddict : Looks like EVA Air will be all 77Ws to Taipei in January. Just rode on a 744 a few weeks ago... economy class on the upper deck! Too bad that's going
32 LACA773 : Please check my list I made for 744 service as of 1 January 2010. Thanks for including Air Pacific & PAL. JL is going 77W 25 October. Malaysian is go
33 Ikramerica : Right. DL is going to dump the 744s fast, so expect NRT to turn to something else in short order. KL and LH only a matter of time before they stop us
34 LACA773 : [quote=Ikramerica,reply=33]Right. DL is going to dump the 744s fast, so expect NRT to turn to something else in short order. KL and LH only a matter o
35 Kaitak744 : Doubt it. Those flights are typically quite full. During the summers, LAX is BA's 2nd or 3rd busiest long haul destination behind JFK and HKG. LAX is
36 Ikramerica : We all think it's 77Ws, but there is no announcement, other than DL's intentions of dumping quad jets sooner rather than later. They may just do what
37 Ikramerica : Yeah, and 2012 is 2-3 more years, right? You are right though, they will likely put one A380 on the route, and supplement with 777s, but I don't thin
38 Kaitak744 : LAX long haul as of Jan 1st Air China daily PEK-LAX 747-400 Air France 10x weekly CDG-LAX 777-300ER 10x weekly CDG-LAX 777-200ER 3x weekly PPT-LAX 777
39 LACA773 : Thankyou for the correction. Thanks for the comprehensive update, Kaitak744. Remember JL is switiching to 77W on 25 October 2009 unless something has
40 Astuteman : Not only is the 773ER considerably more economical to operate, but it pretty much out-carries the 744 in terms of payload at any range over 6 000Nm a
41 LACA773 : Thanks for the information, Astuteman. I learned something new this evening. Regards LACA773
42 The777Man : Phlippines is supposed to switch to 77Ws by the end of this year or early next year. It does depend on their safety status; think the Philippines is
43 NewYorkCityBoi : Does this one stop somewhere???
44 The777Man : Yes; TPE in both directions. The777Man
45 CityAirline : Actually the real plans were for them to increase to double daily to both LAX & SFO, not to replace the 744s. Although because of the Cat II issue th
46 Tayser : 2x weekly A380, 5x weekly 744ER rather. originates in MEL.
47 The777Man : Thanks for the information! Any idea if the Cat II iissue will be solved soon ? From what I've heard the 77W will fly nonstop both ways. The777Man
48 Aaway : Thanks for the update as the last info I'd had was for a startup of late '08/early '09. Economic headwinds have curtailed a few new service startups
49 LACA773 : I'm hopeful PL gets their equipment situation much more harmonious on these important westcoast flights they ofer to MNL. I know many filipinos who d
50 Cloudyapple : When are their triplers due (from Boeing)?[Edited 2009-08-27 01:19:24]
51 ARMEDnPISSED : Isn't this one ICN-LAS-LAX?
52 The777Man : I think Dec09 at the latest. The first two will be leased from GECAS. The777Man
53 Post contains links Rheinwaldner : The business model. The business model is far from a unipolar thing. Currently we observe two trends. Since some years 773ER replace 744. Already sta
54 Avek00 : SQ is in a very different "boat" than CX - the two carriers are often lumped together as occupying the same or similar niche within commercial aviati
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