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CO/UA Tie-up Continues: App For 39 Route Codeshare  
User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 887 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

Apologies if this has been noted elsewhere...

UA filed with DoT 21Aug an application to codeshare with CO for 1 route out of CLE, 1 out of HNL, 7 out of EWR and 30 out of Houston, which includes every CO Mexican destination out of IAH.

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...es-codeshare-application-with.html

[Edited 2009-08-22 08:38:21]


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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9069 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Thread starter):
UA filed with DoT 21Aug an application to codeshare with CO for 1 route out of CLE, 1 out of HNL, 7 out of EWR and 30 out of Houston, which includes every CO Mexican destination out of IAH.

Thanks for posting. Good info!


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8585 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Thread starter):
UA filed with DoT 21Aug an application to codeshare with CO for 1 route out of CLE, 1 out of HNL, 7 out of EWR and 30 out of Houston, which includes every CO Mexican destination out of IAH.

These all appear to be CO flights. Any idea of what routes will be initially codeshared on UA metal?


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8548 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Thread starter):
UA filed with DoT 21Aug an application to codeshare with CO for 1 route out of CLE, 1 out of HNL, 7 out of EWR and 30 out of Houston, which includes every CO Mexican destination out of IAH.

Good news!! Glad to hear they are getting closer, should be interesting in the next couple of months with the transition for CO into * Alliance.. What routes would they code share on out of EWR i wonder? European flts?


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

The code shares into Mexico makes total sense. CO serves a large number of destination in Mexico not currently served by UA. I wonder how many routes in Asia CO would like to codeshare with.

Dave



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8500 times:
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Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):

I dont think CO will be doing that much codesharing with UA out of NRT.............that would all be just the US-ASIA fights.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4412 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

Here are the applications for CO/AC:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf


And for CO/LH:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf


And for CO/BD:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf


And for CO to codeshare on UA's Mexico/China/Vietnam/Japan services:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf



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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8350 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

I dont think CO will be doing that much codesharing with UA out of NRT.............that would all be just the US-ASIA fights.

I would think CO would be interested in the tags UA has in Asia

HKG to SIN/SGN

NRT to TPE/BKK/SIN/ICN (soon PEK)

I feel like I am missing others...but anyhow, having CO operate the long haul service, they get to keep more of the ticket, so, I dont know why they wouldnt want to add their code to the inter-Asia stuff...

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8339 times:
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Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 7):

so far, CO is lining up codeshare with Asiana and ANA.......but you never know. Maybe they will still code on UA out of NRT.



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User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7180 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 8):
so far, CO is lining up codeshare with Asiana

Please tell me an IAH-ICN flight is in the works for either CO or OZ.  pray 


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7077 times:



Quoting AirlineAddict (Reply 9):
Please tell me an IAH-ICN flight is in the works for either CO or OZ.

No!! EWR-ICN is more like it  Big grin


User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1077 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6553 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 10):
No!! EWR-ICN is more like it

That's my bet for the 2 new 777's in 2010.


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6262 times:



Quoting Fun2fly (Reply 11):
That's my bet for the 2 new 777's in 2010.

heh maybe OZ will do it with their own metal  Smile


User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 887 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6177 times:



Quoting Avek00 (Reply 6):
And for CO to codeshare on UA's Mexico/China/Vietnam/Japan services:

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...osition=attachment&contentType=pdf

Wondering why UA Aussie flights SFO/LAX<>SYD/MEL are not in the application?

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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5741 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 13):

Wondering why UA Aussie flights SFO/LAX<>SYD/MEL are not in the application?

Good question. Perhaps those require Aussie approval too, but with the sharp increase in capacity on that (from DL and V Australia) UA needs all the help it can get.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Does CO still retain rights from the mainland to Australia?

User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

It's open skies between the US and Australia at the moment. It should not be a problem for CO to code-share on United's flights to Australia. Indeed, AC, LH, NZ and US all code-share on UA's flights to Australia!

User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5558 times:



Quoting OP3000 (Reply 14):
Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 13):

Wondering why UA Aussie flights SFO/LAX<>SYD/MEL are not in the application?

Good question. Perhaps those require Aussie approval too, but with the sharp increase in capacity on that (from DL and V Australia) UA needs all the help it can get.

Guessing CO is content to keep its existing extra-alliance FF arrangement with Qantas, especially with UA having lost its intra-Australia partner with Virgin Blue defecting to Delta. None of the other airlines code-sharing on UA to Australia (AC, LH, NZ, US) have the Qantas relationship.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5525 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 17):
Guessing CO is content to keep its existing extra-alliance FF arrangement with Qantas

Would CO find it's new Star Alliance member NZ reasonably effective in allowing it's customers the ability to travel to most of the major destinations in Australia? To the best of my knowledge NZ flies from AKL to MEL SYD BNE PER etc.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 5457 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 18):
Would CO find it's new Star Alliance member NZ reasonably effective in allowing it's customers the ability to travel to most of the major destinations in Australia? To the best of my knowledge NZ flies from AKL to MEL SYD BNE PER etc.

If they have alliance and or codeshare, I'd think yes. Since NZ flies LAX -- LHR as well as LAX AKL it should offer some pretty good connections.

Will CO drop the agreement for Onepass redemption with Qantas post *A?

Dave



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 887 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 5353 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 18):
Would CO find it's new Star Alliance member NZ reasonably effective in allowing it's customers the ability to travel to most of the major destinations in Australia? To the best of my knowledge NZ flies from AKL to MEL SYD BNE PER etc.

Correct!

Perhaps something a little more complex is in the works codeshare-wise in the Pacific (and thus the delay). CO/Continental Micronesia, UA, & NZ share 7 stations in the Pacific (Los Angeles, San Francisco, Honolulu, Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns, and Naji Fiji -Air Mike begins service there in December) that intermeshed would make for some pretty interesting itineraries!

Quoting Davescj (Reply 19):
Will CO drop the agreement for Onepass redemption with Qantas post *A?

I should think so. Star will require no less, IMHO.

yeo



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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5259 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 20):
Quoting Davescj (Reply 19):
Will CO drop the agreement for Onepass redemption with Qantas post *A?

I should think so. Star will require no less, IMHO.

yeo

Indeed, there is a precedent. Soon after US joined UA/Star Alliance, the US partnership with QF was dropped.


User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

An interesting development would be when CO and UA submit the codeshare on the Central American routes. Where would this leave TA and would this be a hint for CM?


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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5073 times:



Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 21):
Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 20):
Quoting Davescj (Reply 19):
Will CO drop the agreement for Onepass redemption with Qantas post *A?

I should think so. Star will require no less, IMHO.

yeo

Indeed, there is a precedent. Soon after US joined UA/Star Alliance, the US partnership with QF was dropped.

OTOH, with Star now having no ability to move people within Australia with Virgin Blue dropping the UA alliance, its possible Star might, for now at least, let the CO-Qantas link stay in place to allow Star travelers at least a 'back door" within Australia by taking/redeeming QF miles on a One Pass account. Not good, but better than nothing. The redemption levels for flying on QF to Australia on OnePass miles are so ridiculous right now, especially in the pointy end of the plane, that those probably don't matter, but at least you can still earn and use OnePass miles within Australia. Again, not great, but better than nothing.

You can get to several cities in Australia on Star connecting through New Zealand on NZ, and that's a good option, but somehow I suspect most people aren't going to want to go, say, PER-SYD via Auckland.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5009 times:



Quoting Aer (Reply 22):
An interesting development would be when CO and UA submit the codeshare on the Central American routes. Where would this leave TA and would this be a hint for CM?

UA would probably use CM for the same things CO does, deep South America-Central America runs. TA's not going anywhere in Star, they filed an application about a year or so ago. CM is applying for associate status with CO as their sponsor. TG and SQ are both in Star, and they hate each other's guts too. Didn't stop Star from recruiting SQ, did it?



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25 United1 : Probably not, I know I wouldn't, but I'm willing to bet there are not allot of Star Alliance passengers that would be traveling on a that route to be
26 ExFATboy : Ah, but what if you're a Star loyalist on an extended business trip to Australia? You fly into SYD on UA, but now you have to go to Perth. Once CO en
27 Avek00 : Most pax in such a situation wil be using Qantas regardless of alliance or FF tie-up -- convenience can (and, for big travel spenders, often does) tr
28 Yeogeo : I'm hoping for entry into Star for CM (seems inevitable), and that some of those thirteen 737's on order will be sent up ORD way so there'd be no nee
29 ExFATboy : True, but why run the risk of your loyal passengers becoming less loyal, figuring if they're gonna fly QF intra-Oz why not give QF a try for the US-A
30 AznMadSci : I thought Star had eliminated associate status, so I thought carriers such as Blue1 and Adria are now considered full members. Thus, CM would be more
31 USPIT10L : AFAIK, they have not removed associate status. Airlines like JP, OU, KF, and CM could never support full membership in an alliance, as they are niche
32 AznMadSci : Somehow I thought, around the same time A3 announced their membership into Star, that they would eliminate the regional members, or am I think of Sky
33 Post contains links Yeogeo : Your memory serves you well; the regional members are to be "absorbed" as full members: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...onal-partners-as-full-
34 CALMSP : everyone will be a full member, but the new creation of STAR will still act like it is now. There will be different tiers in the alliance.
35 FUN2FLY : Some destinations do no line up real well w/the NZ LAX flights ex-AKL so that's also an issue. Adding a 5 or 6 hour layover on a 24 hour trip is not
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