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Australian Aviation Thread # 30  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 681 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 25504 times:

Australian Aviation Thread # 29

In thread 29 the following points were discussed/announced:

- Indonesia AirAsia increased DPS/PER services
- SQ A380 services to Melbourne effective late-SEP09
- Continued discussion about the merits of the A330-200 and -300
- Tiger Airways - continued discussion about network
- Pacific Blue applies for increased capacity to HIR and DPS
- Qantas.com relaunches with a refreshed look
- DJ increases excess baggage charges
- Qantas' next A380 and V Australia's 777-300ER deliveries
- BTRE statistics and discussion about Air Austral's loads
- Jetstar launches SYD/PER/SYD services from early October
- AirAsia increases services to the Gold Coast and Melbourne
- Qantas Freight adds DFW to its network
- Updated masterplan for Hobart Airport
- QantasLink announces a new route, Brisbane to Moranbah
- Strategic Airlines' operations
- Major changes to Thai Airways' BNE schedule and aircraft changes to MEL/SYD
- Pacific Wings look set to fly BNE-NOU and BNE/SYD-ROT
- REX announces foray into North QLD with MKY-TSV services
- CO confirms it will retain its increased 4x weekly CNS/GUM services
- PacificFlier look set to operate Brisbane - Guam services
- V Australia announce MEL-JNB/LAX and BNE/MEL-HKT
- Jetstar to launch A320 SYD/MEL/SYD services from late-Oct
- Additional Pacific Blue services to DPS from BNE/SYD (extra weekly service each)
- Pacific Blue announce 73H PER/HKT/PER services
- QantasLink uniform changes
- Sydscott's summary on the Qantas Group - mainline int unprofitable, mainline domestic profitable, LAX/LHR performing poorly etc

Unofficial Qantas Group Fleet Information

New I Still Call Australia Home advert - http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...till-call-australia-home/global/en

Cheers  Smile

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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 25488 times:

2 questions for the group that I haven't been able to find an answer to?

1. Does anyone know the revised 737-800 delivery schedule? I thought QF mainline was expecting 5 738's this year but it looks like they're only receiving the 3 going to Jetconnect. Anyone know how many 738's are scheduled for delivery in 2010, 2011 and 2012?

2. I note Alan Joyce saying with the results release that JQ would receive an additional A320 family aircraft in the next financial year. Do we know if these are A320's or A321's which are coming? Does anyone have an idea of the delivery schedule for the A321's?

Cheers


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 25405 times:

Hey guys,
was just flicking through the pprune forum where an interesting rumour was mentioned about the upcoming QF group deliveries;
Two will be delivered this year;
Two to QF
and EBK will be transferred across to JQ.

QF will also place the A332 on AKL-LAX-JFK.
I'm not sure what to think of this perhaps if the loads are bad it would be more economical, however I thought QF generally made a substantial amount of money on the LAX-JFK sector from all the F pax coming from all the ports? and cargo was a key contribute aswell?

Simply an unsubstantiated rumour or more, heres the link if anyone is interested; http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...-qantas-group-new-a332-orders.html

Has a set date been made yet when the next A380 will arrive?


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 25372 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 2):
Has a set date been made yet when the next A380 will arrive?

Tomorrow morning. QF6022 landing at 0650
http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/SACL...8/2009&results=1000&carrier=Qantas


It appears that JQ have reduce PER-CGK/SIN from 3 weekly to 2 weekly


User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1745 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25300 times:
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Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 2):
Has a set date been made yet when the next A380 will arrive?

Due in tomorrow morning just after 7am and its first scheduled service is supposed to be QF31 on Saturday.


User currently offlineThegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 25091 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 2):
QF will also place the A332 on AKL-LAX-JFK.
I'm not sure what to think of this perhaps if the loads are bad it would be more economical, however I thought QF generally made a substantial amount of money on the LAX-JFK sector from all the F pax coming from all the ports? and cargo was a key contribute aswell?

But both of these revenue sources have been hit hard in the GFC. I can see the value in this move, I'm sure we all can, but I would have thought that revenue on the AKL-LAX sector would be much more of a driver than the LAX-JFK tag on. It means that freight can't really come between LAX and AKL on the days that the A332 operates, and that widebody service would have be replaced either between MEL and AKL or SYD-AKL to position the A332.


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 25012 times:



Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 4):
Due in tomorrow morning just after 7am and its first scheduled service is supposed to be QF31 on Saturday.

Saw it fly overhead while waiting for the bus this morning. Very shiny! Pity it's scheduled for QF31 on Saturday and not Friday, otherwise I'd be on it!  Smile



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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24796 times:

Does anyone here know the story behind the VN 777 sitting in Melbourne I've seen it the last couple of days that I have worked?

User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24542 times:

Forgive me for all the questions was just thinking after reading a recent trip report on the A332, are we likly to see PTVs fitted to the two new ones if they are in domestic configuration? With the new ZK 738s arriving with them fitted and new J seats it would seem very odd to me not to have these new birds fitted with them? Or am thinking with the logic that seems to often evade Qantas?

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3006 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 24220 times:



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 2):
Two will be delivered this year;
Two to QF
and EBK will be transferred across to JQ.

According to AAExpress the QF group will be removing 5 763's and 5 744's from the fleet over the next financial year. QF already have 4 A332's configured for International and virtually the only route they fly is the daily SYD-PVG. So there are at least 2 A332's sitting around which could be used more effectively on some longer range flying.

If new A332's are coming QF International mainline really has no use for them. Domestic mainline is making money and, as I said above, replacing 5 763's with 2 A332's seems a good way to reduce capacity and drive some yield improvement where possible.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 3):
It appears that JQ have reduce PER-CGK/SIN from 3 weekly to 2 weekly

That was announced a little while ago when PER-DPS was re-scheduled to daily service.

Quoting Thegeek (Reply 5):
It means that freight can't really come between LAX and AKL on the days that the A332 operates, and that widebody service would have be replaced either between MEL and AKL or SYD-AKL to position the A332.

It would have to be a SYD-AKL widebody which replaces one of the current 763 services. I doubt MEL, or BNE for that matter, will ever again see QF trans-Tasman widebody service especially if the upgraded, PTV equipped 738's go as well as expected. Frankly, I'd be surprised if in a few years time there was any widebody service across the Tasman by QF at all. With a combination of new config 738's and JQ A320's QF can cover the market and increase frequency when it is needed or drop an A380/787 in when there is a Rugby Test on.


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24126 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 9):

It would have to be a SYD-AKL widebody which replaces one of the current 763 services. I doubt MEL, or BNE for that matter, will ever again see QF trans-Tasman widebody service especially if the upgraded, PTV equipped 738's go as well as expected. Frankly, I'd be surprised if in a few years time there was any widebody service across the Tasman by QF at all. With a combination of new config 738's and JQ A320's QF can cover the market and increase frequency when it is needed or drop an A380/787 in when there is a Rugby Test on.

I doubt it. QF carries plenty of freight across the Tasman, just look at the figures on BITRE.



Piper power!
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5190 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24092 times:



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 10):
I doubt it. QF carries plenty of freight across the Tasman, just look at the figures on BITRE.

And freight which can still be carried by the freidghter service, or in the holds of the 320/738's I presume.

They have already cut a fair chunk of TT widebody flying recently


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24085 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 11):
And freight which can still be carried by the freidghter service, or in the holds of the 320/738's I presume.

They have already cut a fair chunk of TT widebody flying recently

A bulk loaded 737 can only hold a fraction of what a 767 can. If they started operating only 737's, they would have to increase the frequency of their dedicated freighter service to maintain their freight capacity. Why send 2 planes when 1 can do exactly the same job!?



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5190 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24057 times:



Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 12):
A bulk loaded 737 can only hold a fraction of what a 767 can. If they started operating only 737's, they would have to increase the frequency of their dedicated freighter service to maintain their freight capacity. Why send 2 planes when 1 can do exactly the same job!?

What about the 320's? Surely all this extra narrow body capacity can take up some of the demand.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 23987 times:

Virgin's official FY results are in, a $160m loss (in line with expectations).

Domestic was profitable - it was V Australia that really dragged them down, as everyone expected.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8552 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 days ago) and read 23822 times:
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I wondered if anyone could tell me how much of a stake the Virgin group still has in Virgin Blue holdings ?


sorry if this is buried somewhere in one of the previous threads but I have tried googling , I have tried wiki , I have tried the DJ website and I guess I am just a bit dim because I cannot find the info I am after - thanks for any help anyone can give me on the breakdown of ownership of DJ



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User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 days ago) and read 23804 times:

I believe the Virgin holding is around the 25% mark

User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 days ago) and read 23795 times:



Quoting QF175 (Thread starter):
- QantasLink announces a new route, Brisbane to Moranbah

Brisbane to Moranbah flights have been loaded and can be booked. Either my computer at home has a glitch or QF's website has one because I can't seem to see any timetables or book any flights on the route at home, but can do it at work. Scheduled for 4x weekly, with 2 of those flights on Thursdays for a double daily rotation. Off the top of my head, I think the other 2x weekly rotations are on Tuesdays and Sundays (I'm open to correction). 2hr 5min block time BNE-MOV, and MOV-BNE is 2hrs. Fares generally around $179 each way. Flights listed just as Dash-8's (no sub-model indicated). QF175 - any idea of sub-model?


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 23599 times:

The Virgin Blue $160 million loss: reported today $124 million attributed to V Australia's four months of operations- loss includes start-up charges. Next few months continue to look grim.

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 23560 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 13):
Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 12):
A bulk loaded 737 can only hold a fraction of what a 767 can. If they started operating only 737's, they would have to increase the frequency of their dedicated freighter service to maintain their freight capacity. Why send 2 planes when 1 can do exactly the same job!?

What about the 320's? Surely all this extra narrow body capacity can take up some of the demand.

the 763 between SYD and CHC is now the only Qantas service to CHC. There are twice daily A320s by JQ (somedays) and this daily flight. I think it is operated because Qantas has a contractural agreement with some South Island exporters to continue the service. It provides good connections with Qantas and Jetstar flights to Asia.

When Australian Airlines was around (the 763 operation.) Qantas used to sell the freight capacity of those flights. If JQ replaced the Qantas 763 with a JQ A332, Qantas could still codeshare, which it already does on JQ SYD-CHC flights, and Qantas could continue to sell the freight capacity.


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23479 times:

From ABC news online:

Airport master plan gets green light

The Federal Government has approved Canberra Airport's Master Plan including the establishment of a 24 hour freight hub.

The Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese says he appreciates some residents are worried about aircraft noise, but does not think a curfew is warranted.

"At present, Canberra Airport already has night-time freight services, and the proposed increase in freight services is expected to deliver greater economic benefits for the Canberra region," he said.

"Airservices' review will be conducted in 2010 and will consider options to concentrate aircraft noise away from existing residential areas, especially at night. It will examine the application of air navigation technology to minimise the impact of aircraft noise."

Mr Albanese says the 2009 Canberra Airport Master Plan is a significant improvement over the plan he rejected last year.

"It now includes a comprehensive and strategic plan for the development of Canberra Airport over the next 20 years," he said.

The Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics has released figures showing nearly three million passengers used the Canberra Airport last year, with this number expected to rise to 3.9 million by 2016 and 6.3 million by 2029.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 23430 times:

just wondering if anyone has seen the new QF tv ad?
I was overnighting in MEL and woke up to the new QF tv Ad on, and i thought it was in a different language... i told my fellow crew and they all thought i was crazy, but i have just seen it again on tv and it is in a different language.... im going to guess its in a dialict of Aboriginal? can anyone help me out here?



Next Trip: PER-DPS-LOP-CGK-KUL-PVG-LHR, LCY-MAD-VLC, BCN-LYS-TLS-IST-JED-KUL-SGN-CAN-MEL
User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23389 times:



Quoting JQflightie (Reply 21):
I was overnighting in MEL and woke up to the new QF tv Ad on, and i thought it was in a different language... i told my fellow crew and they all thought i was crazy, but i have just seen it again on tv and it is in a different language.... im going to guess its in a dialict of Aboriginal? can anyone help me out here?

See Reply19 in this thread & follow the link:

Qantas - Relaunched I.S.C.A.H Campaign (22AUG) (by QF175 Aug 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Gemuser



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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23372 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
See Reply19 in this thread & follow the link:

Qantas - Relaunched I.S.C.A.H Campaign (22AUG) (by QF175 Aug 17 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Gemuser

excellent, thankyou for that!!

I do love the TV ads, gives me that warm feeling inside...
Although i love that advert i think my fav by far is the A380 release with the background music to 'A Land Down Under' and the QLink 'Spirit of Australia' ...  Smile



Next Trip: PER-DPS-LOP-CGK-KUL-PVG-LHR, LCY-MAD-VLC, BCN-LYS-TLS-IST-JED-KUL-SGN-CAN-MEL
User currently offlineTravelhound From Australia, joined May 2008, 930 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 23317 times:



Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 18):
The Virgin Blue $160 million loss: reported today $124 million attributed to V Australia's four months of operations- loss includes start-up charges. Next few months continue to look grim.

Brett Godfrey stated on lateline last night that V Australia's losses are now close to $4 million a month instead of $4 million a week.

That's not to bad, considering they have only been flying for six months.


25 Post contains links Dddale : For those of you who maybe interested, Qantas has a few aircraft listed for sale as of 26/08/2009. listed four Boeing 747-400's on the SpeedNews websi
26 ANstar : Considering that VA is really the thing dragging DJ's finances down, that is a pretty good result. I would expect this to continue improving over the
27 ETA Unknown : Its not too bad, but it's not too good either! Peak season might be coming up, but you gotta live through the slump of October and November, times whe
28 Vhqpa : The other 744 that doesn't have a msn has to be either OJJ or OED as those are the only other 1991 production 747 QF have Vhq.[Edited 2009-08-28 23:0
29 TruemanQLD : Well 4 747's out 4 A380's in? Or are QF cutting capacity?
30 Sydscott : There is also a 5th 767 for sale according to Alan Joyce. By the end of the year it's going to be 5 744's out and 6 A380's in. So the A380 is basical
31 ETA Unknown : VA are doing NAN as a desperate measure to keep the aircraft flying, rather than sit on the ground. I think it's debatable whether paying parking char
32 ANstar : Not desperate at all. They always planned to do utilisation flying, but my understanding is it was initially planned to be Trans Tasman first.... giv
33 ETA Unknown : ANswer: SYD-AKL-SYD or SYD-AKL-LAX-AKL-SYD daylight.
34 Anstar : But syd-akl has too much capacity. Why fly a 777 when u can't fill a 738? At least with Nan it is a popular route in need if more capacity
35 Aussie_ : Armchair expert talking, I know, but I would have liked to see it on SYD-PER-SYD, or perhaps there isn't the time?
36 ETA Unknown : I didn't know DJ can't even fill a 738 to AKL- perhaps it's the product offered.
37 ANstar : A DJ insider on another forum said watch this space re East Coast - PER runs.... so i guess it is in the pipeline or at least being looked at. And EK
38 RyanairGuru : I guess the main problem with substituting a VA 773 onto existing DJ services is the issue of the cabins, and how you sell them. On DJ domestic they o
39 ETA Unknown : The thought behind AKL was to try and tap some premium traffic. However, I think sending the aircraft back to North America during daylight is a bette
40 DavidByrne : Not true - NZ still run about 30-40% of their AKL-SYD services with 763s.
41 ZK-NBT : Their flights with the 777 and 747 are connecting to from North America hence the use of larger aircraft on some services and not others. FJ obly off
42 Sydscott : How about cancel the lease on the unnecessary capacity, further delay the delivery of the remaning ones and re-focus on domestic and shorthaul flying
43 AirbusA322 : It has always surprised me that EK's superior product on the route isn't doing wonders for them across the tasman. I remember they released a media re
44 Sydscott : Were they making profits on just the Tasman segment alone or was the Tasmans contribution to their overall network what made it profitable?
45 ANstar : This is what the DJ group have done. They have deferred 777's and have focussed more on 738 flying and introducing new uncontested routes. They alrea
46 Post contains images Jasond : Does this explain why 763's are not operating PER-BNE anymore? My partner went to BNE for a few days on a 738 both ways. Her opinion was the 738 was
47 Thegeek : Not true. Of QF's 28x weekly PER-BNE flights, 7x weekly are 737s, and 21x weekly are 767s. I remember it being double daily with both aircraft a year
48 Jasond : She must have been unlucky then. We always liked the 763 to BNE, nice pleasent ride over the 738 it has to be said.
49 Post contains links VHVXB : It appears that JQ has intentions to serve SYD-NAN from April 2010 http://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/files/4472.pdf
50 ANstar : I wonder how this will play on the already strained FJ/QF relationship..
51 BNE : Its not so easily just to cancel a lease and return an aircraft to the owner and tell them that you don't want it any more.
52 Sydscott : I said further defer. In the current environment it would make sense to delay new long haul aircraft and to even defer 738's which they have had to f
53 Kiwiandrew : it has been mentioned in the media ( cant find the source right at the moment ) that finding alternative lessees for the 77Ws is made harder because
54 Post contains links DJ748 : Looks like JQ are applying to fly the SYD-NAN route in direct competition with VA. JQ would be flying the route with their A321's from April 2010. Her
55 ETA Unknown : I'm betting the Fijian Govt. will split the seat capacity with some to V Australia, some to Jetstar. V better maybe should start exploring a backup pl
56 Pewpew320 : Urgh, you pay what you get, i'd rather fly Jetstar than Aerolineas.
57 ANstar : If the Fiji govt are not on the best terms with QF (due to the FJ partnership) then I can see VA easily being awarded the seats to spite QF....... on
58 Gardermoen : According to the Melbourne Airport website this flight is operating from the International terminal tomorrow morning: QF 6031 02 SEP 09 Perth/Christma
59 ETA Unknown : I'll bet money on Jetstar getting more of the NAN frequencies. The QF CEO met with the Fijian leader and said QF wanted to divest their interest in FJ
60 Sydscott : If it's true that's plain dumb. Why would you have a unique 773 that would potentially kill resale? I didn't think there was a difference between the
61 Kiwiandrew : in order to divest they would still have to find a willing buyer . Who is going to buy a stake in FJ taking into consideration both the current econo
62 QF175 : Airnorth has announced it will introduce E70 services linking DRW/ISA and OOL. Effective 08OCT DRW/ISA 06:00L/08:15L TL170 ISA/OOL 08:55L/11:10L TL170
63 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : found the link I was looking for, it was published a little over a month ago - please note I cannot vouch for whether the report is factually correct
64 Tayser : SQ's A380 bound for MEL is bookable through their site. It's going to be sitting on the ground for 8.5 hours! SQ227 Economy Class (A380-800) Singapore
65 Airvan00 : Scheduled arrival at 5.55 and departs at 15.25.
66 TruemanQLD : Wow, why OOL? As much as I think that is great, why would you pick OOL? Could this at all be related to Clive Palmer?
67 Thegeek : My thoughts exactly. QF have a monopoly BNE-ISA last I checked, and they're not known for giving great prices on this sector. Perhaps they don't thin
68 PA515 : Paine Field. Is it not The report is correct. It was discussed on pprune. Apparently VH-VOZ leased from ILFC has the large rear cargo door, the others
69 Ditzyboy : There have been quite a few days recently where all four flights BNE-PER-BNE are 73H. 73Hs have also been used on the Tue/Sat midnight flights PER-ME
70 TruemanQLD : Luckily all ok
71 Tayser : my god, if that were Qantas there would have been all sorts of spasms by the national media.
72 Sydscott : I'd guess it was OED. It's more likely to be a 4 class configured 744, which is what OED is, as opposed to OJJ which is two class so the A380 exactly
73 Kiwiandrew : sigh!!!! I remember seeing two brand spanking new QF 767s when I did the Boeing tour in 1988
74 Sydscott : I'll bet! I did the factory tour about 4 years ago but didn't see any aircraft headed for Oz. Or maybe in their research they found that a fair share
75 ANstar : No problem re financing.... The airline has deferred the delviery slightly due to it wanting to commence it's new routes in late NOV/Early DEC in lea
76 28L28L : Interesting names for aircraft configurations!!! Does "Millenium" indicate internal Australia configuration and "Dreamtime" international? I flew on V
77 Post contains links Ditzyboy : Basically you could say that. Though internally they are known as 'domestic' or 'international' configuration by crew. Most Tasman flying was done wi
78 28L28L : Hi Ditzyboy, thanks so much for taking the time and effort to respond to my questions. As a fellow flight staff person I'm always interested in learni
79 NZ107 : A very interesting read, thanks for all that info! It's surprising to see so many different configs.
80 BNE : Thanks for the list on the 763 configurations. How long is that going to last, it won't last the year. A price rise when wanting to change your fligh
81 Post contains links Ditzyboy : You're more than welcome, guys. Anytime. Interior layouts and configurations are my 'thing', in case you couldn't tell! I assume you know about the Q
82 BNE : DRW-ISA-TSV could work; maybe QF drop one of their ISA-TSV frequencies. Like you said; it will depend on how much Qantas wants to co-operate. It's a
83 TruemanQLD : Does TL have the aircraft to operate 2/3pw DRW-ISA-OOL? Is the reason that ISA is there as a needed stop point or could an E170 make it from DRW-OOL a
84 Thegeek : Wasn't it only $38.50 only last year? That's a big hike. But only 7pw are scheduled; 73H's on PER-SYD/MEL red eye's? Is the GFC that bad? They used t
85 Sydscott : Yeah but when the 743's were flying transcon there was not the frequency we have today. Plus there was a concentration of cheap fares on the midnight
86 Dj738 : The problem is in fact to do with the Economy class seats not being delivered from their Japanese manufacturer. There is an unknown delay with them a
87 Babaero : Come on you Aussie boys, whats the latest with new start up PacificFlier.Rumours its gonna be an A310 out of Portugal. I guess maybe one of the White
88 TN486 : Refer this Q to the poster of comment 162 in previous thread (number 29), he should be able to tell us when able
89 PA515 : An 'unknown delay' for the delivery of Economy class seats sounds strange, especially with the aircraft already three months late due to the Boeing s
90 Bjwonline : Then you may be able to answer/fill me in on plans by QF to add Premium Economy to the A333 fleet, or some of that fleet at least. I would think it c
91 Dddale : A question that may be answered by someone in the know. Once the B787's arrive, will the A330's in the Qantas fleet also be replaced like the B767's?
92 Sydscott : From what QF have said, the first 15 789's are going to JQ. These will replace the A332's which will either be returned to lessors or replace 763's.
93 Gemuser : Not quite Sydscott! The plan (AFAIK not officially changed, yet!) is that the first 15 B788 would go to JQ and the first 15 B789 would also go to JQ,
94 Sydscott : Sorry Gemuser, that's old information. There was a QF press release dated June 26, 2009 which summarises the QF Group 787 order as follows; - Firm or
95 ANstar : I thought QF only ordered 15 x 788's and now they have announced that 15 x 788's have been cancelled, therefore only having 789's left on order.
96 Smi0006 : I noticed at work tonight that the QF29 MEL-HKG-LHR was one the screen as operating with an A333, however one the QF time table the flight is showing
97 Gemuser : Thanks for the update, but are you sure about this point? QFs first B787s will be B789??? Gemuser
98 AirNewZealand : They are already selling Y+ on two class (they are using B-zone Skybeds as the premium [product). PLans at the moment to reconfigure have been shelve
99 ANstar : Pretty sure as they no longer have an order for the 788 model.
100 Post contains links Dddale : Just checked the Boeing orders website and it shows that Qantas has 50 B787 orders comprised of: 787-8 GE - 15 787-9 GE - 35 787 Total 50 This is cur
101 Thegeek : They deferred but didn't cancel the 788s. They canceled 15 789s. So, IIRC the 789 will beat the 788 into QF service.
102 Dynamicsguy : The entry into service of the 787-9 has been delayed by Boeing until the end of 2013, so Jetstar will have to wait a little longer than that.
103 Post contains links Sydscott : It's straight from the QF Press Release. Link is below summarising the new 787 arrangements. http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleI
104 Aussieindc : WOW - is that the case for each QF15/16 (barring any 4 class sub a/c)? Even more comfort than the premium economy seat. That would be a nice little s
105 ZK-NBT : So out of interest their are some rumours and that they are atleast for now that the A332 will go AKL-LAX-JFK from. What will happen then since Premi
106 JQFlightie : Im not sure if this is the right forum, but here goes... I was talking to a Pilot the other day at work and we were talking about QF and there old des
107 TN486 : From my research, it would appear MAN service was 2 days per week - bassically an add-on to QF 5 out of FRA, with the return QF 6 returning to FRA an
108 JQFlightie : Thanks TN486, that has helped me!
109 Lufthansa : They did indeed do that for a while, however it wasn't QF metal it was wetleased by some other airline (probably BA cityflyer). Anyway the sole reaso
110 Vhqpa : Yes SYD-PER-HRE was around to the late 90's. I actually have a book about Qantas and it has a undated illustration of this chart from around the mid
111 Gemuser : Old destinations! There are 100s of them! Well maybe not 100s, but they are numerous. Off the top of my head: Festia Route: SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-B
112 Alangirvan : Qantas started flying to MAN round about 1983. BA started flying to ADL in exchange - I think the flights to ADL started first - QF started ADL to UK
113 Sydscott : I remember QF 77 used to be PER-SIN-HKG daily and the return QF 78 used to BKK-HKG-SIN-PER.
114 DavidByrne : Yes, and also SYD-AKL-PPT-ACA-MEX (terminating there, with PPT being a tech stop). TSV-DRW-SIN (at first a weekly 742, later 2x weekly 767) And sever
115 Gemuser : David, how do you know PPT was a tech stop? And why was it a tech stop when QF had traffic rights? Thanks Gemuser
116 TN486 : Vhqpa, could you please advise the name of book you have and who published it, I have a collection of books produced about QF, and I was thinking thi
117 ZK-NBT : Also AKL-CNS (2 weekly 747 1 763 in the mid 90s.) AKL-PPT (2-3 weekly 763s may have been a 747 when it started) QF did this not to long ago, was oper
118 Sydscott : From my recollection QF bought a 4th pair of slots so that they could start HKG-LHR and the BAE146 flight was a slot holder until they could fully us
119 ZK-NBT : Yes something like that! I actually thought QF had a fifth set of slots at LHR but the current bilateral only allows them to operate 4 daily.
120 TN486 : Gemuser, forgive the intrusion however may I offer the following: QF582 Mon service terminating MEX designated PPT as a tech stop, this stop being of
121 QF175 : Anyone else heard the rumour that QantasLink plans to suspend PER-AYQ services with effect NW09/10 schedules? Thanks and Cheers
122 DavidByrne : Gemuser, I'm really dredging the recollections of a teenage mind in the 1960s - I have no source now that I can quote, having binned all those antiqu
123 TN486 : guilty as charged, burn him at the stake
124 Sydscott : On the Slot Authority website it shows QF holding 56 weekly slots. That's the equivalent of 4 daily takeoff and landing pairs. If they held a 5th slo
125 DavidByrne : I'd be fascinated to see this web site - can you provide a link? My Google search didn't turn anything up.
126 PA515 : This must have changed by about the mid 70's as there was a twice weekly SYD-PPT-LAX and once weekly SYD-PPT-YVR with 707's. These flights only laste
127 DavidByrne : Yes, and all my old TEAL/Air NZ timetables, and all my old NAC (fore-runner of ANZ domestic) timetables as well. Aaaargh!
128 Post contains links Vhqpa : Sure it is called "I Still Call Australia Home - The Qantas Story 1920-2005" by Malcolm Knox Link from publisher. For those who have a copy I was ref
129 TN486 : Thanks Jason, I have that one. A great photo of a 767 (VH OGP) from Tower Beach in SYD on page 161 (with QF staff doing a beach clean on Clean Up Aus
130 ZK-NBT : I'm not so sure, maybe it was any Australian based airline. I'm pretty sure British carriers can operate 4 daily flights to any Australian port now f
131 Post contains links Gemuser : Try this one, although I can't seem to get it tonight, but that is most likely my lousy, old copper line and ISP old equipment in my local exchange:
132 Post contains links Gemuser : ACL has redone their website, try: http://80.168.119.219/reportsStatistics.aspx?id=98&subjectId=33 This is ACls home page: http://www.acl-uk.org/defa
133 JQFlightie : Yes! thankyou heaps, this has well and truely satisfied my brain!
134 Post contains links Gemuser : A 14 hour layover on a direct flight!!!! Shades of the prop days. Although I guess you were not in a hurry if you went the full length of the Festia
135 TN486 : All times local: Dep SYD wed 2000, Arr NAN Thu 0140 Dep 0225 Arr PPT Wed 0830 Dep 2230 Arr ACA Thu 1035 Dep 1135 Arr MEX Thu 1225 Dep 1325 Arr NAS Th
136 28L28L : Can anyone tell me the date that QF 737-300, ZK-JNN was retired from the QF fleet? Cheers.
137 Alangirvan : Are airline timetables part of the Google plan to capture every document in existence?
138 Gemuser : Yeah, that makes me think that ACA was closed at night for some reason. I could cope with that layover as long as I was not confined to the airport.
139 Fuffla : REX has re-started MEL-GFF services beginning 09 OCT. ZL3226 Depart MEL 1030 Arrive GFF 1140 ZL3227 Depart GFF 1200 Arrive MEL 1315 Currently listed a
140 Dddale : I saw ZK-JNN 737-376 in Auckland this morning at about 5.30AM before my own flight back to Brisbane. Some quick asking round with the Jetconnect crew
141 Post contains links Sydscott : See Gemusers response. http://www.acl-uk.org/ is the website. Then go to Reports/Statistics and select either Summer or Winter to view the latest inf
142 Smi0006 : Has anyone see the new ZK 738s cabins yet? Can't wait to see their cabins, fingers crossed that one day in the future we will perhaps see the rest of
143 Ditzyboy : Actually, the 146 LHR-MAN operation was a wetlease with Flightline. They went out of business 2-3 years ago. It was NOT BA Cityflyer.
144 Sydscott : They can't have gone into service yet because I haven't seen anything about them either. I'm also looking forward to seeing the interior and hoping t
145 Smi0006 : Just curious if anyone on here has any insight I noticed that the QFLink Q400s are configured with 74 seats, I was under the impression the ratio for
146 Airvan00 : QF2 runs to BKK 5 or 6 times a week. The missing flights are usually when an A380 is on QF32 and yes QF5/6 is daily.
147 AirNewZealand : From what has been said all remaining 737-800 will have PTV's delivered along with the new Domestic Business class (Alas, a shaving of 5" of legroom
148 Smi0006 : How many more do they have on order? When are the new Aus based ones due to start arriving? I hope that at some point QF will consider reconfiguring
149 JRowson : It was indeed a Flightline 146. I have a photo of it on JP dated June 2004. We used to joke about it being bit of a squeeze and the lack of IFE for a
150 Ditzyboy : Seat pitch will be identical to current 73Hs - 37" in J and 30-31" in Y.
151 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Virgin Blue are reported to be in talks for 30 to 50 737s, SYDNEY, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Australian low-cost airline Virgin Blue (VBA.AX) is in talks wi
152 JQFlightie : just had a interesting conversation in regaurds to fog, for eg in SYD this morn and diverts. Is it true that NTL is a divert port for UA? as a worst c
153 Thegeek : I doubt DJ will get 73Gs again. I think the question is: how many will be 737-900ERs.
154 Post contains links AusA380 : Interesting article in SMH about possible QF involvement with Oneworld partners BA and AA in sorting out JAL. http://www.smh.com.au/business/qanta...-
155 SInGAPORE_AIR : Qantas Airways Ltd. (QAN.AU), Australia's largest carrier, said Friday that the company wasn't in merger and acquisition or consolidation talks at pre
156 Dddale : Does anyone know if any of the Jetconnect B737-300's will make it to the Qantas Founder's Museum in Longreach? Would be a nice addition. dddale
157 Lufthansa : hmm a 733 is a bit new for that. if they want to add something else I'd suggest a DC-9 from TAA or a 727.
158 Sydscott : I don't think they've really done anything "historic" to speak of really. It was more the 727 and DC-9 that pioneered things domestically.
159 TN486 : A DC3, Viscount, L180 Electra, F27, and a 727 would be great, however I cant see this happening in Longreach, if only because QF only used within thi
160 Dddale : I do agree with the above comments, but I still think that the 737-300 would not be a bad addition to the collection at Longreach. Afterall, they cam
161 David_itl : This connecting service was not extensively advertised; typical loads were around 5 pax! The highest load was 22. It initially ran 2 daily but operat
162 PanAm_DC10 : Yes, you could well be right in regards to the 73G so we expect 73H and 739ER, as it appears the order will be split between those two models DJ migh
163 Smi0006 : Here is an extract from their press release about their naming: QANTAS’ NEW TRANS-TASMAN FLEET TO HONOUR NEW ZEALAND ICONS AUCKLAND, 22 September 2
164 Post contains links Sydscott : I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but apparently Jetstar has delayed its plans to fly CNS-KIX until April next year. http://www.abc.net.au/news/
165 Jetfuel : 30 inch seat pitch in economy QF are you for real?
166 Ditzyboy : That has always been the case on QF -800s in the 12/156 config. Some rows are 31". Nice, hey? DJ were 32" all through the cabin on their -800s, prior
167 Zkpilot : nice and generous lol
168 Pewpew320 : I just found this on the SYD website. KE585 Xiamen 24/9/2009 1:00pm 24/9/2009 1:00pm -na- Is this a charter or something? Anyone know?
169 Alangirvan : I think we read a few weeks ago that Jetstar was bashing Cairns Airport about the head on landing charges, but wonder if there are other things to it
170 AusA380 : Jetstar Webcheckin not working at all today (tried since 7am this morning now 1.30pm) - call centre at lunch time indicated should be fixted in an hou
171 Dynamicsguy : Really? I did so successfully about an hour and a half ago.
172 ANstar : Perhaps some more DPS and HKT flights.... both seem to be doing quite well for them...
173 Sydscott : Hhhmmm as others have said they're leaving it a bit late for launching additional frequencies aren't they? Or is one of their current A332's coming u
174 DJMEL : Day 2 of moving delayed Guests around Australia after yesterday's Dubai like sandstorm in Sydney, Brisbane and the Gold Coast, guests on DJ were banke
175 Airvan00 : Looks like QF32 (A380 VH-OQB) had a two hour stop over at KUL this morning on its way from LHR to SIN and is now due into SYD at 10pm tonight (Thursda
176 JQFlightie : It appears that JL has cancelled NRT - BNE for 2010/2011
177 Allrite : I wonder if there is any call for QF to replace the service or if it will just be JQ. At the moment the only QF flights are SYD-NRT, so if you are on
178 TruemanQLD : I hope QF replaces it, I would be suprised if Jetstar does as they currently operate OOL-NRT/KIX so that wouldn't go all that well. Unless they move
179 Sydscott : Does QF have available slots into NRT to fly it with? I didn't think that they did because I remember them reducing SYD from 10 a week to 7 and cance
180 747m8te : LOL it was bad eh, I walked into work and saw the DJ domestic queues go right up past the Tie Rack and into the queues on the international counters
181 Allrite : Could they trade with JAL if JAL cuts the service?
182 JQFlightie : when JQ first started flighing to NRT it was originally BNE - NRT, but the demand was for OOL-NRT.
183 JQFlightie : and further to this, JL already codeshares on the JQ japan flights into OOL. And the JL NRT-BNE has recently been downgraded from a 744 to a 763
184 RyanairGuru : I flew BNE-NRT in August, going out the aircraft was only about half full, but coming back it was packed out. I don't know what the premium loads were
185 Sydscott : That's an interesting question. I don't know if you can trade slots at NRT but with JAL as the largest slot holder it would make sense to if QF wante
186 Post contains links Sydscott : Ok, I think I've answered my own question. Follow my logic here people and someone tell me if I'm wrong; June 2008 services to Tokyo as outlined by;
187 Lufthansa : Don't forget JAL can lease a slot of it wants to...they don't need to sell it.
188 Sydscott : I suppose it depends on whether they need cash up front or a revenue stream. Certainly with their debts I'd have though maximising cash up front woul
189 Jbernie : But given it would be QF/JQ taking the slot they might lease it at a favourable rate as QF/JQ is providing the service for them and when things impro
190 ETA Unknown : JAL BNE-NRT: as the route was downgraded from a 747 to a 767 earlier this year, such a capacity cut is usually the kiss of death for a route- I'd be s
191 TruemanQLD : They also downgraded SYD flights as well to a 772 IIRC. I think the suggestion of MEL-BNE-NRT may work, and wouldnt require any extra aircraft. Is JL
192 ETA Unknown : MEL-NRT has tried and failed with QF- doubt it will ever return or JAL will even consider it. The majority of JAL BNE pax are heading for the Gold Coa
193 IndianicWorld : Not so sure you can discount it so quickly. The route actually did well for quite a while and JAL were very dissapointed with the decision QF took to
194 Sydscott : What QF needed at PVG was a consistent daily service to connect to their network and build traffic. By dropping SYD-PEK and MEL-PVG they achieved thi
195 Alangirvan : If a lot of the traffic between MEL and NRT, PVG etc is Business traffic, I wonder if another way to look at the route would be the Lufthansa method o
196 TruemanQLD : However, JL and QF/JQ have the OW connection. I think QF/JQ and JL would be rather happy with there partnership. They seem to complement (exc. SYD) a
197 Sydscott : As I said it depends on what happens. If DL takes the stake and switches JAL to Skyteam then who knows what will happen with the codeshares.
198 TruemanQLD : Sometimes I wonder if there are other reasons for news companies to run these articles. Jetstar is a business that is making money by flying to Burma,
199 TN486 : Maybe, just maybe, the ACTU should spend the intelligence they have on domestic matters rather than getting involved in overseas "political questions"
200 Sydscott : Well the ACTU has to find something to do now that work choices is gone! LOL Seriously it must have been a slow news day.
201 VHVXB : Slightly off topic -The Smartgate at Sydney airport has now opened. -Airportlink, the company in charge of running the 4 airport link stations will in
202 Pewpew320 : Yes! used it yesterday, it's not very well guided though so many people were trying to use their old passports in it and getting annoyed at it not wo
203 Smi0006 : Whats is Smartgate? I thought that that was the customs self use kiosks? This has been in place in Melbourne for a very long time and I am nearly 100
204 Post contains links Allrite : Australian Aviation Thread 31 is now up.
205 Zkpilot : It has been at SYD for at least a couple of weeks now. As for MEL it has been there for months...same with BNE. And yes they are self service kiosks
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