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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Has BA retrofitted all of its long haul a/c with the new club world seats?
How do these seats compare to other airlines?

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4338 times:



Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
Has BA retrofitted all of its long haul a/c with the new club world seats?

Not quite. I believe there are still five 'old' 772s and one brand new 772 still to be fitted out.

G-YMMA is scheduled to re-enter service in late September. Like the other remaining 'old' aircraft, its conversion will take longer than most of the 772s already converted. This is because it will be fitted out not only with the second generation lie-flat Club World seats and AVOD in all seats but with a new flight crew rest area and significant changes to the some of the galleys and cabins.

'MA will be followed by 'MB that is due back in service in October, then 'MC to be returned to service in November and finally 'MD (December) and 'ME (early January).

Currently 'MU, one of the four new recently delivered 772s is being fitted with the 2nd generation seats and overhead flight and cabin crew rest areas at CWL as these were not fitted to any of the four new aircraft by Boeing.

The 763 fleet has been fitted out with AVOD but will not be fitted out with the 2nd generation lie-flat seats. The 744 conversion programme was completed well before the conversion of the 772 fleet was started.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

As to the comparison:

The white color is clean and nice. The seat is flat, but still narrow. I usually choose a window, and find the storage near the window to be good for things you want during the flight.

Compared to AF/NW: the "Z" relax postion is better on NW/AF.

DL old seats are the worst, but in upright seem the roomier. AF upright is the best.

What I find to be good on BA is the privacy screen and flat bed. The bed is reasonably wide compared to others.

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Thnaks
I find the disposition quite weird.
This is the first time I see a 2-4-2 layout in Biz...
Does window seat have direct access to the aisle?



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4134 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 3):
Thnaks
I find the disposition quite weird.
This is the first time I see a 2-4-2 layout in Biz...
Does window seat have direct access to the aisle?

The only window seats which have clear access to the aisle are the rearmost ones in each section. Likewise the rearmost centre section seats also hav clear access to the aisle. For the others, if the passenger in the aisle row has their seat flat, you have to step over their footrest, this however is probably far easier, than having to get past another passenger in a conventional row of seats.

The wndow row seats provide a very private "cabin" for the solo traveller, as do the centre pair of seats for couples. Once you have the divider screen raised you are very away from it all. Perhaps not the best seats for the claustrophobic though.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

The cabin looks nice anyway.


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4095 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 5):
The cabin looks nice anyway.

I've now done two flight in the old club world, and two in the new one. The new is definitely far better than the old, unless you are claustrophobic.
As I posted before, the different seats really do vary a lot in what they offer, and an individuals experience could be very much influenced by where they sat. I'm sure that there is a good number of frequent solo fliers who are looking for a quiet nights sleep, or a tucked away office environment who will grab a window seat regardless of the access issues; and feel very happy with the privacy.


User currently offlineTcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3943 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):
I'm sure that there is a good number of frequent solo fliers who are looking for a quiet nights sleep, or a tucked away office environment who will grab a window seat regardless of the access issues; and feel very happy with the privacy.

Completely agree, when I fly solo, I try to get a Window seat for the serenity! Although, with BA's seat allocation policy, even checking in as soon as the 24hr window opens, it can be difficult sometimes, as they are popular choices.

People of a nervous disposition may need to consider whether the rear-facing window seats are best for them, as crew's faces can pop up around from the aisle without warning, which can be funny if you're concentratong on a movie with your earphones on!  laughing 



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User currently offlineBigMac From Suriname, joined Nov 2003, 318 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3834 times:



Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
Compared to AF/NW: the "Z" relax postion is better on NW/AF.

I find NW business class seat one of the most uncomfortable "new" business class seats I have tried. The different seat cushions are very hard and flat. The headrest is like a hard/old loaf of bread sticked onto the seat, extremely uncomfortable.
I haven't tried AF seat so I can't comment on them.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
DL old seats are the worst, but in upright seem the roomier. AF upright is the best.

Sitting in DL old seat is comfortable since it was designed to be a chair (better contours as a chair). Sleeping is difficult to do so since it's not (horizontally) flat.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 2):
What I find to be good on BA is the privacy screen and flat bed. The bed is reasonably wide compared to others.

Not only that BA's Club World seat is basically an English wing chair, which offers more privacy since your face/head is somewhat hidden between the wings of the seat.



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User currently onlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

I was on G-ZZZA about two weeks ago (this would have presumably been the first BA 772) - it was wearing a fresh coat of paint, had the new CW installed and it looked fabulous.

Question - does the installation of the new CW seat in the aircraft with the old IFE system mean that they will upgrade the screens? I was in F on 'ZA and it had the tiny ancient screens.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

Where do the older BA 777s fly? Are they dedicated to some destinations?

What about the new 772s? Will they have mood lights? Are they GE or RR powered?



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User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3734 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 10):
Where do the older BA 777s fly? Are they dedicated to some destinations?

ZZZA-C are non ER versions so as such are limited to East Coast/ORD North America and The Middle East usually. I think the latter mainly.

Also the new ones are RR powered.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3722 times:



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 11):
ZZZA-C are non ER versions so as such are limited to East Coast/ORD North America and The Middle East usually. I think the latter mainly.

Also the new ones are RR powered.

Thanks!
How many 777 GE-powered does BA have?
Will the oldest 777s have a whole new IFE system?



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2453 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3709 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 1):
Not quite.

Really!? When I went on my last BA CW flight the seats already looked a bit worn.

The most annoying thing about this CW is that my foot rest is on the back of the seat in front - and likewise someone else's foot rest is on the back of my seat! So whenever the guy behind lowers with his footrest my seat goes BANG!

Also because these are double units built with flimsy plastic, whenever the guy in the adjacent pod shifts his weight, the whole pod shakes! No such problem on the old seats which were single units and the herring bones on other airlines because the structure is more rigid.

The electric divider thingy is bad too.

Agree the window seat storage is good. But those cabinets were so worn out and so dirty inside on my last flight.



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User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3687 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
How many 777 GE-powered does BA have?

27 I believe. All of the LGW fleet of 7 and then 20 based at LHR.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
Will the oldest 777s have a whole new IFE system?

They'll get the Thales system that will be fitted to the 773's as far as I know. A vast improvement to the current 12 channel GMIS jobby.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3682 times:



Quoting Davehammer (Reply 14):
They'll get the Thales system that will be fitted to the 773's as far as I know. A vast improvement to the current 12 channel GMIS jobby.

Thanks!
What about the 744s? Do they have AVOD?



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User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3667 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 15):
Thanks!
What about the 744s? Do they have AVOD?

All the 744's are fitted with AVOD.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3591 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 13):

The most annoying thing about this CW is that my foot rest is on the back of the seat in front - and likewise someone else's foot rest is on the back of my seat! So whenever the guy behind lowers with his footrest my seat goes BANG!

Footrests are bolted to the floor, not connected in any way to the seat in front/behind

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 13):

The electric divider thingy is bad too.

Why, it seems to work fine to me.

Quoting Davehammer (Reply 14):

Quoting LY777 (Reply 12):
Will the oldest 777s have a whole new IFE system?

They'll get the Thales system that will be fitted to the 773's as far as I know. A vast improvement to the current 12 channel GMIS jobby.

I thought the 773's will have AVOD, whereas the early 772's won't due to the need for rewiring.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3585 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 17):
772's won't due to the need for rewiring.

so, how many 772s don't have AVOD?



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User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 17):
I thought the 773's will have AVOD, whereas the early 772's won't due to the need for rewiring.

The 773s will come with the new Thales system next year.

The older GMIS equipped 777s (Non AVOD - ZZA-ZZC & IIA-IIN + IIS) will be retro-fitted with the new Thales system starting next year (a great relief and well overdue!)

Cheers
 

[Edited 2009-08-24 10:24:06]


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3522 times:



Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 19):
I thought the 773's will have AVOD, whereas the early 772's won't due to the need for rewiring.


The 773s will come with the new Thales system next year.

The older GMIS equipped 777s (Non AVOD - ZZA-ZZC & IIA-IIN + IIS) will be retro-fitted with the new Thales system starting next year (a great relief and well overdue!)

How come this was deemed to be too expensive when the decision was made to install NCW in the 772's, but now appears to be scheduled for next year ? After all BA has far less cash to splash around now, than when the original decision was made.


User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3435 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 20):
How come this was deemed to be too expensive when the decision was made to install NCW in the 772's, but now appears to be scheduled for next year ? After all BA has far less cash to splash around now, than when the original decision was made.

The problem, as I understand it, was that the re-wiring of GMIS to AVOD would have been too difficult and expensive. I believe that the Thales system is 'next generation' and doesn't require the same wiring as AVOD, so it is a more practical retrofit.

I think that there was also a realisation that GMIS couldn't go on much longer.

Cheers
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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3930 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3400 times:



Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 21):
The problem, as I understand it, was that the re-wiring of GMIS to AVOD would have been too difficult and expensive. I believe that the Thales system is 'next generation' and doesn't require the same wiring as AVOD, so it is a more practical retrofit.

I think that there was also a realisation that GMIS couldn't go on much longer.

It is impossible to update GMIS to AVOD. So they had to decide whether to fit a complete new system in those aircraft, or not. It was decided to wait for the Thales system.

Now what we want to know is what is going to happen to the 7 shorthaul B767s? They have a really old video and PSS system that is forever broken. There are no spares left, and it needs replacing. But this costs money.?????


User currently offlineBALHRWWCC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3400 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 17):
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 13):

The most annoying thing about this CW is that my foot rest is on the back of the seat in front - and likewise someone else's foot rest is on the back of my seat! So whenever the guy behind lowers with his footrest my seat goes BANG!

Footrests are bolted to the floor, not connected in any way to the seat in front/behind

Cloudyapple is right about the footrest. On the new CW seats it is attached to the seat infront. The only ones bolted to the floor are the seats where there is not a seat infront and on the old CW seats.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3323 times:



Quoting BALHRWWCC (Reply 23):
Cloudyapple is right about the footrest. On the new CW seats it is attached to the seat infront. The only ones bolted to the floor are the seats where there is not a seat infront and on the old CW seats.

Ah my mistake, on my last flight i was in the last row, hence it was bolted to the floor, as there is just the bulkhead beyond.


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