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Who's MRO Is Bigger DL Or AA?  
User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

I know that AA does work on DL 777-200ER engines. Also DL use to do work on AA PW 757. DL seems to have a lot more outside vendor contracts, but they also out source a lot of work on DL aircraft. It might be hard to determine size, so I will break down the questions:

1) Who does more revenue?
2) Who has the most outside contracts?
3) Who does the most house work?

Thanks for all your info

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11386 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3012 times:



Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
Also DL use to do work on AA PW 757.

No longer. AA no longer has PW-powered 757s. Those were the ex-TWA aircraft that are all now with Delta.

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
DL seems to have a lot more outside vendor contracts, but they also out source a lot of work on DL aircraft.

AA is not a good vendor for outsourcing work. They are very competitive on rate (meaning time to delivery), but not competitive on cost. They have also had some quality control issues with some of the vendors they have done work for. On the other hand, some of their customers - like Allegiant and the South American Synergy group - are very pleased with AA MRO's work.

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
1) Who does more revenue?
2) Who has the most outside contracts?
3) Who does the most house work?

Delta's TechOps almost certainly has more revenue - depending on how they book the 'in-house' maintenance done on Delta planes. They definitely have more outside contracts.

When it comes to doing the most 'in-house' work, that would almost certainly be AA, since Delta outsources a substantial amount of the work on their own fleet, including just about all heavy overhauls, whereas AA still does 100% of that in-house.


User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
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Don't forget Northwest, now owned by Delta, out sourced almost all their maintenance.  old 

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
1) Who does more revenue?

TechOps

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
2) Who has the most outside contracts?

TechOps

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
3) Who does the most house work?

AA by far.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
On the other hand, some of their customers - like Allegiant and the South American Synergy group - are very pleased with AA MRO's work.

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And unlike Delta, AA has the people and the floor space to add much much much more work. If AA could gets is cost down a little bit they could more than likely become 2-3 times the size of TechOps.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
including just about all heavy overhauls,

All of Delta's HMVs are done by 3rd party.
M88s are done in GDL and DHN
M90s are IIRC GDL
737s not sure. I don't believe one has had to have a HMV yet.
757s are SAT
767s HKG
777s are I believe HKG.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
whereas AA still does 100% of that in-house.

The only thing that new off them not doing in-houe was the ex-TW 757s but now those are gone so i do believe you are right.



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User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2532 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

For DL the 737 and the 777 work is done in house. The program for these fleets is different from the rest. They never get an HMV/D check. There are just PSV checks. When they get done with the cycle of PSV they have completed the HMV work. The oldest planes in both fleets have already been through the cycle once.

User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Thanks Commavia and DeltaL1011man!

-Do you guys know what DL is planning on doing with the large hanger space parallel to RWY 17/35 in MSP?

-Also the what is to become of the space of the hanger complex that was recently torn down off concourse G in MSP?

-One final question about MSP I know NW has/had an engine shop there, would it have space big enough for the trents there?


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2603 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3):
Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
1) Who does more revenue?

TechOps

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
2) Who has the most outside contracts?

TechOps

Quoting Flavio340 (Thread starter):
3) Who does the most house work?

AA by far.

Didn't Commavia just answer all those questions in reply 1


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2582 times:



Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 4):
For DL the 737 and the 777 work is done in house. The program for these fleets is different from the rest. They never get an HMV/D check. There are just PSV checks. When they get done with the cycle of PSV they have completed the HMV work. The oldest planes in both fleets have already been through the cycle once.

ah ok good to know. I didn't think I have ever seen a 73N or 777 in HMV.

Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 5):

I have no idea what NW's assest are like.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 6):
Didn't Commavia just answer all those questions in reply 1

yup. but I figured If I'm going to get a few words against what Delta has done to TechOps in I better answer them. BTW, Bob do you have any idea what NW's hangars are like? I believe they only have them in MSP,DTW and SEA. Nothing in MEM right? I also don't believe they have any paint bays at all.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6432 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2535 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
I believe they only have them in MSP,DTW and SEA. Nothing in MEM right? I also don't believe they have any paint bays at all.

Correct, nothing in MEM. They had one in BOS but I believe that is gone.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2523 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8):


Correct, nothing in MEM. They had one in BOS but I believe that is gone.

Delta gave it and the old DL/NE hangar up and moved into the old UA hangar. IIRC the biggest aircraft the DL hangar could take was a 763. The new hangar can hold up to a 777 IIRC.

I looked on google maps, Are the buildings in DTW with the NW logo painted on the top hangars? It looks like its only two buildings, so I assume They only have 2 hangars. I also believe DTW and ATL(TOC II and TOC III) are the only ones that can hold a 744.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 8):
Correct, nothing in MEM.

MEM is home to Pinnacle's MX hangar over by the FedEx MX hangars. I have been inside them and they can hold a maximum of three CRJ's at a time with extra parking out on the ramp. It's not a large operation by a long shot, but it serves that hub well considering a majority of the flying to and from MEM is on regionals. Outside of that, NW doesn't have any major MX investments in MEM.

A number of T7's for DL have been getting light MX done while on remote stands at ATL "recently". For example, DL will park the 77L's over on the south cargo ramp and do minor work on them there while also working on the odd 767 over there too. It's easily seen from anywhere around ATL the places where TechOps is parking the aircraft for work while they wait on their next flight. Hopefully I didn't confuse anyone too bad. LOL!!  

DL TechOps is the proud owner of a number of both foreign and domestic government contracts on VIP jets too. The guys at DL TechOps are really good at what they do and their engine shop is simply jaw dropping to see! It's like NASA in there.

[Edited 2009-08-24 07:22:30]


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2477 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
I looked on google maps, Are the buildings in DTW with the NW logo painted on the top hangars? It looks like its only two buildings, so I assume They only have 2 hangars. I also believe DTW and ATL(TOC II and TOC III) are the only ones that can hold a 744.

Sorry for the double post but yes, those are two hangars. Across the road from them on the other side of the field, inside the runways of course, is the NK hangar. You know the NW hangars in DTW because of the MASSIVE NW 747 painted on the side of it. Quite impressive to see in person I must say!

I remember looking up inside the DL TOC hangars and still seeing the parking lines painted on the ceiling with "MD11, L1011, etc" still on there. Really cool from a retro perspective I suppose.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2475 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
yup. but I figured If I'm going to get a few words against what Delta has done to TechOps in I better answer them. BTW, Bob do you have any idea what NW's hangars are like? I believe they only have them in MSP,DTW and SEA. Nothing in MEM right? I also don't believe they have any paint bays at all.

MSP has lost hanger space for the addition of the H concourse that is planned, the B hanger at that end of the G concourse is capable of handling an A330, it used to be much larger with space for around 6 aircraft, including a special hanger that had a hole cut in the door for 744.

C building has quite a bit of hanger space, with room for plenty of aircraft, and of course building F has space as well. While the total space at MSP is not that of ATL, it used to be close.

DTW has a few hangers, and maint. here is done primarly on the 744's and A330's as well as the narrow body fleet, if Delta wanted to there is still a lot of land around DTW to add more hanger space.

MEM does not have a hanger

NW got rid of their hanger in ATL that they had for several years a few years ago along with the DLH hanger, in ATL they did heavy maint on the DC-9's and they used to do heavy maint on the A320 series in DLH.

SEA has a hanger I don't know if it fits 1 or 2 A330's I want to say its 1, but they do a good amount of the A330 work now there.

None of the hangers are paint bays



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
NW got rid of their hanger in ATL that they had for several years a few years ago along with the DLH hanger, in ATL they did heavy maint on the DC-9's and they used to do heavy maint on the A320 series in DLH.

The combined NW/DL has "re-opened" that old hangar now. The only exception now is that it's used for training flight crews. I never see the doors to it open, but I know they are training crews there. THe parking lot is almost always filled and the guards are always at the parking lot gate so I had to ask a few DL friends in ATL what was going on. That's what they told me the place was being used for.



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User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

I know the MSP C building (I think that is the one) can hold the 330 and DC-10, but that is the biggest. Does NW still have the hanger in DLH? I know they were doing a lot of 320/319 maintenance there. That was pre-bankruptcy though. Any tech guy heard any rumors about expansion into the NW system? There are 1000's on the flying side, but maintenance seems to be quiet. Also didn't NW have a hanger in JFK as well? or was that also pre-bankruptcy?

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2335 times:



Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 14):
Does NW still have the hanger in DLH?

See above, but no they don't they got rid of that too unfortunately.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9255 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2315 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 13):
The combined NW/DL has "re-opened" that old hangar now. The only exception now is that it's used for training flight crews. I never see the doors to it open, but I know they are training crews there. THe parking lot is almost always filled and the guards are always at the parking lot gate so I had to ask a few DL friends in ATL what was going on. That's what they told me the place was being used for.

TechOps was told in the last chat that they wont be using the hangar for MX.

Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 14):
Any tech guy heard any rumors about expansion into the NW system?

As needed and NWs assest may be used to replace the CVG hangar. No more MX is comeing in house at this time.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
MSP has lost hanger space for the addition of the H concourse that is planned, the B hanger at that end of the G concourse is capable of handling an A330, it used to be much larger with space for around 6 aircraft, including a special hanger that had a hole cut in the door for 744.

Ok I didn't know for sure.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 11):
I remember looking up inside the DL TOC hangars and still seeing the parking lines painted on the ceiling with "MD11, L1011, etc" still on there. Really cool from a retro perspective I suppose.

In TOC I there is still a big sign that reads "NO L1011/767 TAILS PAST THIS POINT" Which was kind of cool to see the last time I was up. Also DL has alot of 1997 logo paintings in the office parts of the hangars. They have a painting of a 777-200ER in 1997 C/S and an M11. The reg on the T7 was N777DA.



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