Icarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 768 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 5490 times:
Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 1): best to avoid the 3-4-3 like the plague
Couldn't agree more with you!!!
Flown LAX-CDG on July, 30th and it was a nightmare.
I was seated in he middle, by friend by the window : the seats are not comfortable, there's no space at all!!!
While in France, I wrote a "complain" to AF , comparing with LH 340 & 747 and BA 747 comfort. The answer I've got was nothing but commercial blabla.
Up to now, I was dedicaed to AF but the quality is downgraded a lot, the FF program is now something of a joke and whenever possible, I'll now avoid AF.
It's a pitty because the flight CDG-SEA on a A330 was very comforable!
TGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 868 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4901 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5): Mostly for A.Netters ...
"normal" passengers don't even care and/or notice ... but that's another debate.
To be more accurate I would say “Mostly for Frequent Flyers”. Just see Flyertalk.com to get an idea.
Now even normal passengers can identify that when flying (and some of my friends/colleagues complain to me, as if I was responsible of this change: being relatively knowledgeable in airlines can be dangerous!).
Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
Alphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 532 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4841 times:
AF026/027 CDG-IAD sometimes operates with a 300 during the winter - scheduled as a 200 but 3 or 4 days of the week its operated by a 300, and at the beginning and end of the winter is scheduled as a 300.
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4784 times:
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9): AF026/027 CDG-IAD sometimes operates with a 300 during the winter - scheduled as a 200 but 3 or 4 days of the week its operated by a 300, and at the beginning and end of the winter is scheduled as a 300.
Potentially, all the lights operated by a B777 can be switched from a -300 to a -200 or vice versa at the "last minute" or for a certain period, according to the booking or aircraft availabilities.
It often happens on CDG-IAD, but also CDG-MEX, CDG-IAH or CDG-GRU
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1673 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
Quoting Stgs1988 (Reply 11): But does AF fly out of Paris-ORY to FDF, PTP and RUN because they have a special connection to France?
Yes. Martinique (FDF), Guadeloupe (PTP) and Reunion (RUN) are all French overseas territories. These destinations are better served from ORY because of all the domestic connections possible with AF there, compared to CDG (there are much more domestic flights and destinations at ORY)
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4349 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 6): for me the most interesting route is CDG-BEY. didnt know AF has the 77W on this route!
Quoting BA (Reply 13): France is the largest European market from Lebanon due to a large Lebanese population and strong historical ties going back to the French Mandate.
They've been using the 77W to BEY since 2006.
On CDG-BEY-CDG, in addition to the Daily B77W, AF also operates a 4 x Weekly A332 flight and codeshares on the 2 x Daily MEA's A332 flights.
I was surprised too when I found out after making reservations that the AF flight to PEK is operated by the 77W with 10 abreast, obviously KL gave them the wrong example! Any chance the flight will be 'downgraded' to the 772?
Surprised they only fly the 77W to two airports in all the cities Air France flies to in the USA. What does AF fly to SFO, ORD, IAH, ATL, BOS and SEA ?
MIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3858 times:
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6884 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 5): Mostly for A.Netters ...
"normal" passengers don't even care and/or notice ... but that's another debate.
I bet frequent fliers know the difference and those are the ones who tend to pay the highest fares for economy. Fortunately for AF a lot of these people also value time and non-stop flights, but it's a very fine line that AF is walking.
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2109 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3798 times:
Quoting Airbazar (Reply 21): I bet frequent fliers know the difference and those are the ones who tend to pay the highest fares for economy. Fortunately for AF a lot of these people also value time and non-stop flights, but it's a very fine line that AF is walking.
But i also bet that AF knows what EK has been doing with their 777s (= making a profit), so really i'm not sure it's such a bad idea.
They know so well that it could be a success that they even propagated the plague to KL, for the greatest pleasure of our Dutch friends!
LY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3741 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22): But i also bet that AF knows what EK has been doing with their 777s (= making a profit), so really i'm not sure it's such a bad idea.
But on EK 777s, the legroom is much better than on AF 77Ws. So, they may also have 10 abreast, but with a better legroom
FlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22): They know so well that it could be a success that they even propagated the plague to KL, for the greatest pleasure of our Dutch friends!
It's actually the opposite way : AF's B77W were initially configured in a 3x3x3 seating in Y.
KLM always had its B77W with 3x4x3.
25 Airbazar: But EK is not the competition. Look at the destinations that AF's 77W are on and you quickly realize that EK is not a reasonable option for any singl
26 TGV: Yes, but AF was the first to have 10 abreast 77W in the AFKL group ! The process of having 10 abreast in the AF fleet started by the COI 77W in 2006:
27 TWA902fly: I flew LAX-CDG-DUB in April on AF on the 77W and i'd probably say i'd go out of my way to avoid it. It was just uncomfortable, I'd say the seat was si
28 Borism: What are you talking about? Frequent fliers pay the lowest fares for the economy, if they do get upgrades it's from miles. So they spend more than ot
29 Alphaomega: IIRC, not all of AF's 77Ws are configured with 3-4-3, only certain aircraft flying high density routes. Some are configured with 3-3-3 seating and som
30 Viscount724: I believe AF is in the process of changing all 77Ws to 10-abreast in Y class.
31 Pellegrine: Lol, it is a pretty simple formula, eh? 744 to 77W...instant fuel savings of what 20-30% (well EK never had pax 744s), another row of Y seats = +10%
32 Viscount724: 77W also has almost 20% more cargo volume than the 744.
33 FlySSC: ALL the AF B77W fleet is configured with 3x4x3 in Y. 9 aircraft have 14J (2x3x2) / 36S (3x3x3) / 422M (3x4x3). Used from CDG/ORY to PTP, FDF, RUN, HA
34 KGAIflyer: I've never seen a 777-300 on IAD-CDG, but I only fly the route once or twice a year. I have noticed that on the 3-3-3 planes, the person in the cente
35 FlySSC: During this summer, AF028/039 is a DAILY B77W, while AF026/027 is a DAILY B772ER. For the next winter 2009/2010, both AF028/039 & AF026/027 are sched
36 Varig md-11: The only time I flew AF 77W was a nightmare too I couldn't wait to try the new flagship and was disappointed: I had an aisle seat; the aisle is so na
38 BA: I know the AF 4x weekly A332 flight was introduced this year for the first time and that it was only for the summer period. Do you know if they plan
39 A340Spotter: FlySSC noted IAH is to be a 777-200ER however it depends on the day. Our system shows a mix of 772 and 77W depending on which day you look at. Also I
40 LACA773: Are all the 77Ws scheduled to receive the new premium economy product? I remember reading something about AF's CDG-NRT would be the first route to rec
41 Flying Belgian: Hello FlySSC ! I do wonder if the same applies on the EZE run. I thought the 77W would be deployed on a yearly basis, but however most of the time th
42 FlySSC: Yes. ALL the A332, A343, B772ER & B77W (except of course those who are already equipped with the "Alizée" Class and used on the Caribbean/Indian Oce
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