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UA Announces MAD  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3079 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

I dunno if anyone posted this yet, but UA announces service from IAD-MAD beginning March 28, 2010.


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3667 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Hopefully this flight will do better than IB. It will have better connection possibilities from the IAD side. Which is JM's stronger hub, MAD or BCN?


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

Yes a while back, and has been available for booking on united.com since May.


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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

Is this going to be on UA metal or is this the start of the evil joint venture with Aer Lingus?


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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Which is JM's stronger hub, MAD or BCN?

I believe you mean Spanair? Then I think PMI or BCN is their largest hubs.

Wasn't Aer Lingus going to operate this route?

[Edited 2009-08-25 10:34:54]


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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

It's actually on Air Lingus metal I believe.

The only question that remains will I get Million Miler miles on this flight??? It kind of looks like I will (seems to be in the system like a united express flight and not a code share). Can anyone confirm or deny this for me??


User currently offline777-500er From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10367 times:

UA flight operated by Aer Lingus A330-300, no UA metal.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 10053 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 5):
The only question that remains will I get Million Miler miles on this flight??? It kind of looks like I will (seems to be in the system like a united express flight and not a code share). Can anyone confirm or deny this for me??

Mileage Plus members can accrue miles on the United Marketed, Aer Lingus Operated flights between Washington Dulles and Madrid. The flight miles you earn on these flights qualify toward elite status. You earn one Elite Qualifying Mile (EQM) for each flight mile you earn and one Elite Qualifying Segment (EQS) for each segment you fly.

When you fly on the United Marketed Aer Lingus Operated flights between Washington Dulles and Madrid, you earn an additional 50% EQM / EQS bonus for paid tickets in First (F, A) Business (C, D, Z) and unrestricted Economy (Y, B) Classes.

Mileage Plus elite members receive the same benefits on the United Marketed Aer Lingus Operated flights as they do on United Operated flights.


http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,52823,00.html#jump1



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User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

Given that IB wasn't able to sustain this route on an A343 I wonder if an A333 is too big for this route; hopefully the connecting traffic feed on the IAD end will make it work (IB of course had zero at IAD). On the other hand UA's 763's likely wouldn't work anyway due to their low density premium-heavy configuration.

User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

UA flew to MAD in the 90's.
IAD-MAD could be flown with B757, but that aircraft may not be suitable for the kind of passengers UA wants to attract.



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User currently offlineUsdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 972 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9768 times:



Quoting 777-500er (Reply 6):
UA flight operated by Aer Lingus A330-300, no UA metal.

Oh, man. Whatever happened to Aer Lingus and OneWorld??? How that all seems so far away now...


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9496 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Hopefully this flight will do better than IB. It will have better connection possibilities from the IAD side.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 8):
hopefully the connecting traffic feed on the IAD end will make it work (IB of course had zero at IAD).

Giving that IB hasn't been able to make IAD-MAD work even though they have the largest customer base on the iberian peninsula, you seem to be assuming the route can be sustained just on the UA customer base side.

OTOH, keep in mind Star partner US has been establishing MAD (year round) and BCN (high season) from PHL for a while now

Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 4):
I believe you mean Spanair? Then I think PMI or BCN is their largest hubs.

Forget about JK providing significant feed as they are the third player in Spain after IB and UX (Sky), Star is the smallest player in Spain between the 3 major alliances.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 9):
IAD-MAD could be flown with B757

IMO this is the way to go on a slim trasatlantic route like this to be able to make a profit out of it,



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9372 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Mileage Plus members can accrue miles on the United Marketed, Aer Lingus Operated flights between Washington Dulles and Madrid. The flight miles you earn on these flights qualify toward elite status. You earn one Elite Qualifying Mile (EQM) for each flight mile you earn and one Elite Qualifying Segment (EQS) for each segment you fly.

When you fly on the United Marketed Aer Lingus Operated flights between Washington Dulles and Madrid, you earn an additional 50% EQM / EQS bonus for paid tickets in First (F, A) Business (C, D, Z) and unrestricted Economy (Y, B) Classes.

Mileage Plus elite members receive the same benefits on the United Marketed Aer Lingus Operated flights as they do on United Operated flights.

This is the same as a LH flight but you still don't get UA Million Miles. They are different than EQM's. This doesn't answer my question.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9210 times:

Million mile probably not as flight is not operated by United. But you do get EQM which is what matters to build status.

Anyhow whats so special about MM accruals? It came and went for me without any ado.



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User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9133 times:

Another slap in the face to UA pilots and fas by doing this codeshare. Soon UA will be United Codeshare Airlines and UAX will be doing all our international fly! lol As it is in the upcoming contract talks they want to consider parts of South America, Hawaii, Canada, and Mexico domestic flying. Make use do more get paid less...  banghead 

User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9130 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 5):
Air Lingus

tut tut, cardinal sin...

must be a Younited Airlines fan.


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9023 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Million mile probably not as flight is not operated by United. But you do get EQM which is what matters to build status.

You get MM miles on UAX so they could be treating it like UAX and not a codeshare. I'll have to write them and ask.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Anyhow whats so special about MM accruals? It came and went for me without any ado.

Getting 1P status for life would be nice...wouldn't have to worry about getting that 50k miles each and every year. Still several years away for me to achieve, unfortunately the account that I used to accrue miles in for several years I'm no longer using. (I had two accounts for over a decade).


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8862 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 12):



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 14):

Sorry guys, but was this thread supposed to be about the new UA MAD service?



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8836 times:



Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 11):
Giving that IB hasn't been able to make IAD-MAD work even though they have the largest customer base on the iberian peninsula, you seem to be assuming the route can be sustained just on the UA customer base side.

That's a reasonable assumption - IAD is a UA hub, after all. Some selective discounting on the far end might help, but I believe UA is expecting the US side to make the service profitable.

As for the IB situation, several factors could explain the problems IB has making IAD-MAD viable:

* lack of connections to US destinations at IAD - IAD is a small market for AA, unless Washington is the final destination for flyers coming from MAD, they'd be better off with a different routing.

* lack of AA feed for Americans going to Spain, for the same reason

* both of the above compounded by Iberia's customer service reputation - if you're going to be connecting anyway, why not fly on BA? Many American business travelers have BA accounts because of the ATI issue, and take their domestic flying on AA on their BA account. When I was in Barcelona a few months ago, I met several locals who traveled frequently to the US and if flying coach, preferred connecting on BA to a non-stop on Iberia.

(I have to admit I saw their point - on the return my BCN-LHR leg was my first experience on IB, and I thought it was pretty unimpressive: surly (and in one case outright rude) FAs, rampant BOB, not even sodas were included (I think still water was free, it didn't say on the menu - fortunately, I'd spent my last Euros on a couple of bottle of iced tea), dirty seats and toilets. Only bright spot was the check-in agent at BCN, he was very friendly and fast.)


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8778 times:



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 14):
Another slap in the face to UA pilots and fas by doing this codeshare. Soon UA will be United Codeshare Airlines and UAX will be doing all our international fly! lol As it is in the upcoming contract talks they want to consider parts of South America, Hawaii, Canada, and Mexico domestic flying. Make use do more get paid less...

Its not like this flight is taking United work away. Its operating in a market that does not see existing UA service.

At the end of the day, the flight = revenue for UA = good for employees, customers and shareholders.

Whether UA manages to extend its network and revenues organically or with partners its all positive steps forward. Maybe if UA's cost structure was different it would not need to rely or see attractiveness in partners like UAX or international arrangements.

Kudos to UA for thinking outside the box and willing to give this Madrid venture a try.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4469 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8752 times:

Am I missing something here? Aer Lingus flying IAD-MAD?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25357 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8703 times:



Quoting N62NA (Reply 20):
Am I missing something here? Aer Lingus flying IAD-MAD?

Announced in January
Aer Lingus And United MAD-IAD From 2010 (by OA260 Jan 22 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Also a more recent thread discussing the venture
UA/EI Joint Venture... (by G4maddog May 10 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8654 times:



Quoting Joeljack (Reply 5):
The only question that remains will I get Million Miler miles on this flight??? It kind of looks like I will (seems to be in the system like a united express flight and not a code share). Can anyone confirm or deny this for me??

No. United counts only UA metal flights for purposes of MM, 500 miler, CR-1, and SWU's.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8497 times:



Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
* both of the above compounded by Iberia's customer service reputation - if you're going to be connecting anyway, why not fly on BA? Many American business travelers have BA accounts because of the ATI issue, and take their domestic flying on AA on their BA account. When I was in Barcelona a few months ago, I met several locals who traveled frequently to the US and if flying coach, preferred connecting on BA to a non-stop on Iberia.

I think this is the key point. There's no just incentive for OneWorld passengers to connect in MAD. On how many itineraries is MAD a better connecting point than LHR? Not many, and with respect to IAD particularly, flying BA affords passengers somewhat more scheduling flexibility.

Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 14):
Another slap in the face to UA pilots and fas by doing this codeshare.

If the choices are not flying the route or having EI fly the route, isn't it better for UA employees to have EI fly the route? Obviously, if mainline could operate it, it's a different question, but there's not really an appropriate aircraft in the UA fleet.



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User currently offlineBriguy1974 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

So will UA and UAX employees be able to non rev on this flight or will we have to get id90 air lingus tix?

25 COEI2007 : I had heard that UA pilots and their Union had cleared this venture with EI? Does anybody know if its true? Any signs of recruitment for the venture y
26 Commavia : Just one comment: I'm not necessarily disagreeing in principle on the premise that you stated in your post (though I don't think Iberia is that bad i
27 AerLingusA330 : This IAD-MAD flight is going to happen with an EI A330, no doubt about it. I've heard via United crew that this flight will operate with all UA crew,
28 Scorpy : Even Pilots? Do UA even have 330 Rated pilots? Wouldn't it be quite a cost to do this for one flight?
29 AerLingusA330 : No, they don't have 330 rated pilots IIRC. I'm thinking that they'll use their 320/319 rated pilots on this and take advantage of A320/A330 family com
30 FlyMD : What is the point of this?. Is this just an aircraft availabilty (or lack thereof) issue?
31 Cubsrule : Can 121 pilots operate a type and an aircraft that is not on the airline's certificate? That's a fair point. I wonder, though, whether it's worth the
32 TonyBurr : It may be advertised as UA, and using EI metal, but there is something "funny" about it as a UA sale. IAD-MAD is $486.00. When I put in PHL-MAD it goe
33 UAORD2000 : This is simply incorrect. This would require a substantial amount of training.
34 Malaysia : I thought it was a wet lease to save money and use non-union crews of EI. (Outsourcing international routes)
35 ThrottleHold : Incorrect. In fact, the A330 Capt and F/O positions for the IAD base have already been internally advertised in EI. EI crews are unionised.
36 UPPERDECKFAN : If at some point (who knows) IB/AA get ATI on tat'l this is one of the new routes out of MAD that are being looked at to be flown on AA metal (togeth
37 MAH4546 : IB/AA will have ATI this year, that's pretty much certain. I've been hearing that BOS-MAD will go to an AA 75L pretty soon after that happens. Are AA
38 N1120A : Unless United were to spare one of their well used subfleet of Hawai'i 757s, there are lots of reasons why they couldn't do this. I think this may an
39 UPPERDECKFAN : That's what I've been told by people at IB although I find it rather surprising considering how close IAH and DFW are, IMO if true it'd dilute the re
40 Post contains links ManuCH : There's already another thread where this is being discussed. Please continue here: UA New IAD Service? (by Flyiguy Aug 15 2009 in Civil Aviation) Thr
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