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AirTran Expands In The Caribbean  
User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1592 posts, RR: 11
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8045 times:

AirTran today announced it has filed with the DOT for scheduled service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau and from Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba. Service will start late 2009 and early 2010.

In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

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User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

Well well well, it's about time someone got on the BWI-NAS run  wink . We can't let US have allll the fun with DCA.


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8034 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

Don't they still have 737's on delivery? I'm sure they have delayed or slowed their deliveries, but I think they still have some on order. That plus tweaking other frequencies would be my guess?

~Brandon



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User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

Looks like they're going to try and defend some of their MCO turf and go head to head with B6 on some key leisure markets. I wish them all the best and if they do start service it will be another option fer me to non-rev on!


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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Let's hope they have more success with NAS... IIRC, they used to fly into FPO, and that didn't last. Anyways, great to have one new route (BWI), competition on another (ATL, currently only DL), and more competition on a third (MCO, currently served by UP & B6).


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

I always have my eye out for if they will ever start service to STT. DL, whoever has really upgaged in STT over the past two years. Might be too much capacity on the route and too small of an a/c


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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

YAY about FING time!! Ive been hearing rumblings and now its coming to fruition. Slowly anmd methodically things are lining up!


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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7673 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
AirTran today announced it has filed with the DOT for scheduled service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau and from Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba. Service will start late 2009 and early 2010.

Any word on the frequencies?


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7582 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7343 times:

What a coincidence that B6 did this the day before from some of the same places...

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7327 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Don't know where all the lift is coming from!

I was thinking the same thing. FL has done about all the tweaking they can with the MKE expansion. At some point they will need more lift, otherwise it's all just musical chairs.


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7299 times:

This is great news. Been waiting for this announcement for awhile. Like to see service to St. Thomas too. Let's hope so.

User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1227 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7204 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?

Yes, that is correct. I think the FL Apple schedule is nearly identical to U5 minus the Florida flights. IIRC out of PIT it is Montego, Cancun, Punta Cana.


User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7115 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 8):
Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
In addition AirTran has greatly expanded last year's subservice schedule with flights from Atlanta, Baltimore, Boston, Milwaukee and Pittsburgh to Cancun, Cozumel, Gulfport/Biloxi, Ixtapa/Zihuatenajo, Montego Bay, Puerto Vallarta and Punta Cana.

Is this part of their take-over of U5's network? Weren't they going to do the Apple Vacations flying or am I mistaking it for something else?

Nice, I think I might be going to MBJ this spring, so maybe I'll get a chance to ride FL down there!  Smile Glad to see that scheduled international service is getting going for FL too!



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 742 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

About freakin time! Anyone have an idea of how many more a/c FL will need to run these routes or are there any cuts involved?


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9105 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5068 times:



Quoting Flaps (Reply 12):
IIRC out of PIT it is Montego, Cancun, Punta Cana.

That sounds right, as I believe their other destination or two was/were in Florida...



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User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5056 times:



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 4):
Let's hope they have more success with NAS... IIRC, they used to fly into FPO, and that didn't last.

I believe they flew to FPO from BWI for few years. FPO offers free landing fee during that time. After the free fee, FL decided to end the services. They said they were making money but with the fee, it would not be possible.

Unless someone remember better than me.

I think BWI is slowly expanding -- becoming a connection hub for flights from MKE, DAY and cities in Northeast. If WN decide to fly into NAS, I think it will work out okay because there are cities that WN does not fly to (e.g. DAY and some cities in Northeast).

Just wish WN and FL codeshare out of BWI.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

I think this great new for MCO and FL. There are times I wish my family had more airlines to choose from when going MCO-NAS. Congrats to FL expanding out of MCO.

KH



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3760 times:



Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
service from Atlanta, Baltimore and Orlando to Montego Bay and Nassau

Nassau seems to be a safe bet for starting Caribbean services. It was one of JetBlue's first Caribbean markets, and I remember even Skybus was trying to start a CMH-NAS service (I really do wonder what their route map would look like today). I wonder if the decision to go right in to Montego Bay is due in part to JetBlue's major success there. I'm sure Atlanta will welcome some competition to these markets, and any int'l service from Baltimore is always good news for them! Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Thread starter):
Atlanta and Orlando to Aruba

Orlando to Aruba is a BIG surprise! Of course, lets wait and see if the service actually materializes. I do believe ATL-AUA would do very well, however.



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User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3703 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
I wonder if the decision to go right in to Montego Bay is due in part to JetBlue's major success there. I'm sure Atlanta will welcome some competition to these markets, and any int'l service from Baltimore is always good news for them! Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

BWI definitely could use the added service to the Caribbean, but I'm not sure how BWI-MBJ will handle both JM and FL on the same route. The JM flight (while still a good performer for JM relative to JM's other routes) may struggle against FL. JM's been on the route for decades so I'd hope this doesn't push them out.

US once went up against JM on the BWI-MBJ route (or at least, announced the route), but US pulled back as they were dismantling BWI altogether. I'm not sure in the end how two flights would do. If it were anything like the 90s, then two flights would probably be fine considering how JM was flying A300s into BWI on a daily basis. Compare that to today's 320s flying fewer than 8000 pax in June.


User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3641 times:



Quoting Lawair (Reply 19):
BWI definitely could use the added service to the Caribbean, but I'm not sure how BWI-MBJ will handle both JM and FL on the same route. The JM flight (while still a good performer for JM relative to JM's other routes) may struggle against FL. JM's been on the route for decades so I'd hope this doesn't push them out.

US once went up against JM on the BWI-MBJ route (or at least, announced the route), but US pulled back as they were dismantling BWI altogether. I'm not sure in the end how two flights would do. If it were anything like the 90s, then two flights would probably be fine considering how JM was flying A300s into BWI on a daily basis. Compare that to today's 320s flying fewer than 8000 pax in June.

Bear in mind that FL's primary target will be the leisure traffic out of BWI while JM's main target is the VFR ( though yes there is also a mixture with some leisure as well ) When US announced PHL-MBJ many thought JM would have vanished from the route but they have both been operating it and each has been holding their own nicely. US also tried FLL-KIN and FLL-MBJ a few years ago ( with MBJ being very short lived ) and both were discontinued quickly. Also when DL announced JFK-MBJ which had both JM & AA already operating it, many thought JM would have discontinued that route. Nothing of the sort. Even with B6 now on that route as well, JM has been holding their own on it. Also when NK announced KIN/MBJ from FLL a few years ago many thought JM would abandon the route as well. Even with additional services on FLL-KIN with AA , JM still remains the dominant carrier on that sector, with AA now planning to operate it seasonally. Also recently both B6 & DL announced JFK-KIN. For years AA did it alongside JM and they eventually went seasonal then discontinued it all together. The JFK-KIN market however is big enough to accommodate atleast 2 carriers. Personally I think both JM & FL will co-exist on BWI just fine ( at least for a while ) with each targeting primarily different markets.



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User currently offlineBloodyrascal From Bahamas, joined Mar 2007, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

NAS-BWI and NAS-MCO will do well. It will be interesting to see how DL reacts to FL entering the NAS-ATL route. As DL already has 4 daily flights and on some days 5. And this winter they are deploying their 752 back on the route. This is the usual seasonal increase. It would be nice to see a 717 and more 737s in NAS.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3407 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
Orlando is an interesting choice with B6 clearly ahead there, though.

JetBlue is not clearly ahead.

AirTran has a better feed market from secondary cities, as opposed to JetBlue.

I wonder if JetBlue will simply start to retreat from MCO-Caribbean to focus on FLL.

MCO-NAS/MBJ cannot handle three carriers. It will be a blood bath.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3368 times:



Quoting Bloodyrascal (Reply 21):
NAS-MCO will do well.

Will it? The only carrier currently on the market that has offered the route for a long time is UP, and that is probably owed to political will rather than economics. B6 is a newbie on the MCO-NAS run. AA (Eagle), DL (Connection and waaaay back mainline), and NK all offered the route and pulled out. Probably others, too, can't remember... (unless I go way back and add EA to the list.)

Any word on what equipment they might use on the NAS routes? I'd sure like to spot some 717s down here.  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineUGA777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

Any Airtran insiders out there know if they will start taking any new deliveries again if these routes are approved and if so, when? I would love to start seeing some more 737s with Airtran titles.

25 Rumorboy : second qtr of 2011 according to the SEC filings from last qtr.
26 Gr8SlvrFlt : ....and we're hearing they'll be -800s.
27 Fpofllflyboi : Sorry FPO had to lose the service, (Thanks to the Grand Bahama Airport Company's high landing fees.) That used to be a nice flight. Happy for NAS tho
28 Atlwest1 : Seems like a natural progression of aircraft. Though I think the EMB-195 would be a great addition! The 800's will be very appreciated by the crews f
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