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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 566 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

Is there space at the international terminal between 2PM and 10PM?

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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Not a lot of gate space. That is right in the middle of the big european arrival/departure push and UA and AA arrivals from all over. Later into the evening you have Royal Jordanian, Air India, and Asiana to name a few.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4523 times:



Quoting SLUAviator (Reply 1):
Later into the evening you have Royal Jordanian, Air India, and Asiana to name a few.

...although, FWIW, there are probably a couple of gates available after 1800 or 1900. It's worth remembering, too, that there's at least one narrowbody-only gate (M1 IIRC), and that's somewhat more likely to be available.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

There's definately space in T5 between 2pm and 10pm - it's the least congested terminal at ORD. Here's a gate timetable of flights at T5 on an random day this summer:
http://i26.tinypic.com/fkb6e0.jpg
Some aircraft that spend a lot of time on the ground at ORD are taken to remote stands where they're serviced to free up gate space (eg. AF, VS etc.).

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
It's worth remembering, too, that there's at least one narrowbody-only gate (M1 IIRC),

M1 can handle widebodies too, AA usually uses this gate for European arrivals and LO uses it for their 767s also.

[Edited 2009-08-26 09:09:09]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
M1 can handle widebodies too, AA usually uses this gate for European arrivals and LO uses it for their 767s also.

It's 6 that is narrowbody only, apparently. My mistake.



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 4221 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
Here's a gate timetable of flights at T5 on an random day this summer:

Cool chart! Could you post the 11pm to 1pm portion as well?

yeo



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4051 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
It's 6 that is narrowbody only, apparently. My mistake.



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 5):
Cool chart! Could you post the 11pm to 1pm portion as well?

I only made that chart myself so M6 may not be the actual narrow-body only gate. And there are possibly more narrow-body only gates (?) But I know for sure it's not M1 or M2. I just put in the gates that the airlines at T5 most commonly use. So I don't know how reliable an 11pm to 1pm chart would be Big grin



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3964 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 6):
But I know for sure it's not M1 or M2.

I think the issue with 1 is that there's a length restriction to keep from blocking the taxiway; I don't think I've ever seen anything bigger than a 763 in there.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3917 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):

You're probably right, I've only ever seen 767s and 752s and A320s there.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 3):
There's definately space in T5 between 2pm and 10pm - it's the least congested terminal at ORD. Here's a gate timetable of flights at T5 on an random day this summer:

Thanks for the great chat, AmricanShamrock. Very interesting. (Another International terminal that would be interesting to see such a graph is LAX's TBIT since it's always overcrowded.)

Will BA ever move their departures over to AA's terminal?


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3693 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
Will BA ever move their departures over to AA's terminal?

AA doesn't have the gate space at this time... all the 777-compatible gates are occupied by AA or IB during these peak times. However, AA is in the running for 6 Concourse L gates (plus the former CRC/SkyClub) that are being vacated by DL in November, and at least two of these gates are 777-compatible. If AA picks up the DL gates, and oneworld ATI is approved, AA would have more than enough space for BA to move in to T3.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3683 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10):
If AA picks up the DL gates, and oneworld ATI is approved, AA would have more than enough space for BA to move in to T3.

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It would make some sense for the former CRC to become a BA/IB club, and they could have all BA/IB departures from L. With DL's widebody gates, there's plenty of gate space to do that, and BA passengers would use the famously uncongested L security checkpoint.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3497 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
Thanks for the great chat, AmricanShamrock. Very interesting. (Another International terminal that would be interesting to see such a graph is LAX's TBIT since it's always overcrowded.)

Will BA ever move their departures over to AA's terminal?

I found it interesting too. All other terminals are filled up to the brim while T5 is "comfortable" with its number of flights. Although T5 can be quite congested passenger-wise at times especially when queueing for security at the European rush!

I have a question: next year when full CBP preclearance is fully operational at DUB and SNN, will EI move terminals here or will they be like U5, occupying the "domestic section"?



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23080 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3459 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 12):
will EI move terminals here or will they be like U5, occupying the "domestic section"?

I've never been down in the domestic section, but I've heard it is pretty small; would it accommodate a 330 worth of passengers?



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Is M11 exclusively used by BA, or is it used by other airlines at other times of the day (e.g. JAL)?


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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3326 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 14):
Is M11 exclusively used by BA, or is it used by other airlines at other times of the day (e.g. JAL)?

JL, KE, NH and generally all of the early-morning international arrivals tend to use gates M8-M11. Maybe because they're the most convenient for passengers being close to security etc.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
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Why don't United and AA each/combined have an FIS in the central ORD terminals ? At LAX and JFK they do. Having to move all those airplanes across an active runway has to be a pain. ORD's two hub airlines have lots of international flights also causing inconvenient connections for their passenger. Where was the ORD FIS before the current international terminal and what happened to it ? Too bad it closed.

I can understand using teh common FIS in ATL, DFW and SFO where they are all new and part of the main terminal complex.


User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3247 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Having to move all those airplanes across an active runway has to be a pain.

If you mean the towing from the international terminal 5 to UA/AA's respective departure gates, in 3 and 1 at ORD, there is no runway to cross in that situation.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Where was the ORD FIS before the current international terminal and what happened to it ? Too bad it closed.

Let's see... "FIS" = Federal Inspection Site? The location of the previous international terminal and customs stood where United's Terminal 1 now stands.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Too bad it closed.

Why? It wasn't exactly state of the art, although I have some good memories of the place. It would be wholly inadequate now.

yeo



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3224 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Why don't United and AA each/combined have an FIS in the central ORD terminals ? At LAX and JFK they do. Having to move all those airplanes across an active runway has to be a pain.

Before the DL/NW merger, NW strongly opposed the City of Chicago Department of Aviation's plans for dedicated FIS facilities for Star Alliance and oneworld carriers at ORD from the day the City's "World Gateway" plan for these facilities was announced. The reason was that dedicated Star ond oneworld FIS would decimate the NW/KL (and later SkyTeam) Midwestern competitive advantage of offering quick no-security-recheck connections to Europe and Asia at the DTW and MSP hubs.

But with Delta now in charge and about to give up six prime ORD gates (most likely to AA for international flights, ironically), DL could drop the leftover NW opposition as a concession to selling the L gate leases to AA so they could build a joint AA/BA/IB FIS facility between the K and L Concourses at ORD. In fact, when at ORD a few weeks ago, I saw some earth moving between the two concourses. Could it have anything to do with the rumors?



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User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

I've been thinking recently about the potential for expanding the existing terminals (as opposed to, or in addition to new ones) particularly with T1. With 32L/14R going out of commission, it seems like they could conceivably build a third concourse (let's call it D) that could have FIS for UA/Star international. I don't know if the threshold for 4R could still pose an issue, but they don't land that way often anyway (they can always displace it) That could get the other Star members out of T5, and potentially US, AC, and even UAX out of T2. Some reconfiguration at T5 could allow for better domestic use, and DL/B6/non-Star/non-OW could go there while T2 could be rebuilt into international for OW (possibly shared with UA/Star if they still can't fit EVERYONE in T1)

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10):
AA doesn't have the gate space at this time... all the 777-compatible gates are occupied by AA or IB during these peak times. However, AA is in the running for 6 Concourse L gates (plus the former CRC/SkyClub) that are being vacated by DL in November, and at least two of these gates are 777-compatible. If AA picks up the DL gates, and oneworld ATI is approved, AA would have more than enough space for BA to move in to T3.

Maybe they could re-located other Oneworld members into these other gates as well, like IB.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 15):

JL, KE, NH and generally all of the early-morning international arrivals tend to use gates M8-M11. Maybe because they're the most convenient for passengers being close to security etc.

Do airlines such as BA pay more money to use a certain gate the majority of the time for convience sake?

Are any of the gates in T5 have dual jetways?


Maybe we'll eventually see VX get a couple of gates in T5 since they have a bit more space or is this something they just don't want to do? I mention as we all know they operate their flights out of the international terminals @ SFO & JFK.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2909 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3048 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Do airlines such as BA pay more money to use a certain gate the majority of the time for convience sake?


No. ORD assign gates to airlines because it's just easier for everyone. For example Aer Lingus have always been assigned Gate M9 because that's where all their "equipment" and whatever is. It's just easier besides moving all the agents/stuff around everytime another flight comes in. And because BA have 3 flights into ORD a day and their aircraft are generally on the ground longer periods of time, they are the primary user of M11.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Are any of the gates in T5 have dual jetways?

No they're all single but I think they're transforming Gate M17 into an A380-compatible gate for LH.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 21):

No. ORD assign gates to airlines because it's just easier for everyone. For example Aer Lingus have always been assigned Gate M9 because that's where all their "equipment" and whatever is. It's just easier besides moving all the agents/stuff around everytime another flight comes in. And because BA have 3 flights into ORD a day and their aircraft are generally on the ground longer periods of time, they are the primary user of M11.



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 21):
No they're all single but I think they're transforming Gate M17 into an A380-compatible gate for LH.

Thanks for all the information, AmricanShamrock.
I guess US airports don't want to spend the extra money on dual jetways like their counterparts in the Far East and Europe do.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2999 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 18):
Before the DL/NW merger, NW strongly opposed the City of Chicago Department of Aviation's plans for dedicated FIS facilities for Star Alliance and oneworld carriers at ORD from the day the City's "World Gateway" plan for these facilities was announced. The reason was that dedicated Star ond oneworld FIS would decimate the NW/KL (and later SkyTeam) Midwestern competitive advantage of offering quick no-security-recheck connections to Europe and Asia at the DTW and MSP hubs.

How is it that NW with more political influence in Michigan and Minnesota is able to have the Chicago political machine stop ORD's two biggest airlines from having one or two FIS stations in teh main terminal complex at ORD ? Common Sense would be United could have gotten an FIS in its termnal 1 when it was built, they surely have enough international yraffic to justify one.

THe NW DTW building is beautiful but NW has a lot less international traffic then the hub airlines at ORD, even with 5 flights daily to AMS.


User currently offlineDUSdude From United States of America, joined May 2007, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2963 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 22):
I guess US airports don't want to spend the extra money on dual jetways like their counterparts in the Far East and Europe do.

You can't generalize like that. E.g. SFO has lots of dual gates, and JFK has a few.


25 FWAERJ : Easy: NW was known for strongarm tactics (I.e.: "if WN comes to MSP/MEM, we'll close our fortress hub"). And when Terminal 1 was in the planning stag
26 AmricanShamrok : Welcome. It's kinda surprising ORD, the second busiest airport in the world, doesn't have any dual airbridges actually.
27 Airportplan : ORD does have dual airbridges. There are a couple on C concourse and on couple on M concourse. But unlike airports like HKG, LHR or SIN, more than 90
28 Airportplan : Yes. At the time T1 and T5 were being planned and designed in the early 1980's ORD has a tiny fraction of the international flights that is had today
29 AmricanShamrok : I didn't know that...are you sure there are some on the M? Which gates do you know?
30 CHI787ORD : Which gates at T5 are for domestic arrivals only? I was not aware of this...
31 ElBandGeek : Any gate can be used for domestic (although I don't know which one[s] are currently used), it's just a matter of exiting directly into the concourse
32 CHI787ORD : I always wondered why that baggage claim was there. What airlines currently use it? How do passengers get from the M concourse to the baggage claim?
33 AirportPlan : The 4 gates are ORD with dual jetbridges are: B16- LH/UA B17- LH/UA C16- UA C18- UA I was wrong about M Concourse having a dual jetbridge gate.
34 Timberwolf24 : Is the expansion of T5 still in the works or has that been shelved? If it has not been shelved when might construction begin? Thanks.
35 ElBandGeek : I think U5 is the only one currently using it. Once DUB get's pre-clearance, EI may start using it if they don't move to a domestic terminal (possibl
36 AirportPlan : All terminal expansion at ORD was shelved around 2002 but there is a study for a new Western Terminal that is underway. Because of the massive runway
37 AmricanShamrok : Thanks for that. Surely they'd call this Terminal 4 to fill the gap...
38 AirportPlan : Terminals 4 and 6 that were proposed before 9/11 are still on ORDs official masterplan so for now the proposed West Terminal is just called the West
39 Daron4000 : Add C10 to that for a total of 5 dualbridges in Terminal 1. Back in the day, the only gate with 2 bridges was C18. Then around 2000 ish, if i remembe
40 Cubsrule : U5 tends to use gates toward the ends of the terminal, for whatever reason. IIRC, ATL also has no dual airbridges.
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