With AS 20+ flights SEA-ANC daily I dont see how this can work with 1-2 flights a day. I understand a lot of Alaskans feel taken advantage of with AS high fares btwn Alaska and the lower 48 but this will probably last as long as that Skagit County potato farmer's resurrection of Western Airlines at BLI a couple of years ago. A better way to do this would be to try to fly out of BFI, PAE or even BLI to fly under the grinning eskimo's radar and offer low fares so Alaskans can fly down here to do shopping trips. Just my
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4659 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8186 times:
This looks like a some school assignment, look at the survey.
With the economy the way it is up in AK, I don't see this happening. AS will lower J fares and they are history. In order to break AS's monopoly, the only way will be a LCC to move in. By the way the market is not big enough to support anything next to AS.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 6192 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8058 times:
"Paging Hatbutton? Paging Mr. Hatbutton? Please report to the forum. Mr Hatutton?"
In all seriousness, my dad flies ANC-SEA several times a year, and I can't see him doing this any more than the next guy. If a JetBlue or something similar came in, it might be different. Until then....nope.
M11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7754 times:
People need to learn that independent biz-only airlines don't work. Biz only airplanes operated in conjunction with major airlines (LH, Swiss, KLM, etc.) work because customers can earn miles and be able to have seamless connection to other flights. Maxjet, Silverjet, and EOS have all failed. It doesn't work.
My opinions, statements, etc. are my own and do not have any association with those of any employer.
Hatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1509 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7704 times:
Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6): "Paging Hatbutton? Paging Mr. Hatbutton? Please report to the forum. Mr Hatutton?"
Haha I'm here. This is the first I've heard of this as well. Seems like operating a 737-200 on such a long route would cost a lot of money. Let alone, I'd hate to be the pax who get stuck in the seats behind the engines. 3 plus hours behind those JT8Ds would be miserable.
Quoting M11stephen (Reply 10): People need to learn that independent biz-only airlines don't work. Biz only airplanes operated in conjunction with major airlines (LH, Swiss, KLM, etc.) work because customers can earn miles and be able to have seamless connection to other flights. Maxjet, Silverjet, and EOS have all failed. It doesn't work.
Exactly. If all biz airlines have yet to prove they can succeed in the largest biz markets in the world, surely SEA-ANC won't work. At least you'd want to start between the biggest US biz markets if you were going to start this type of operation in the US.
AS777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
This would definately not work. IF this new airline wanted to fly SCC-ANC-SEA-HOU I could possibly see this because a lot of the oil field workers and executives might like the all biz, and they can definately afford it. But just ANC-SEA-ANC? I think AS rips on us, but, my loyalty is to them. I am an elite member with them, and the fact that they are code-share whores and give me a lot of options, I would fly nothing else, not even an LCC.
I personally don't believe any LCC would do "GREAT" up here. I think if one were to move in I would say they could only do one flight per day. You have a lot of military folks up here who would enjoy low fares with no mileage plan....but when it comes down to it, AS has everyone "by the balls" and a lot of people will not stray. We like our mileage plans and AS has tied in their mileage plans with so many businesses up here, it is hard to find an Alaska resident who does not have at least an AS Credit Card.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7438 times:
Quoting Hatbutton (Reply 11): Seems like operating a 737-200 on such a long route would cost a lot of money. Let alone, I'd hate to be the pax who get stuck in the seats behind the engines. 3 plus hours behind those JT8Ds would be miserable.
Yeah...and folks up here probably hasn't seen a 737-200 fly SEA-ANC nonstop since Wien or Air Cal.
Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6614 times:
Quoting UAL757 (Reply 20): For some reason I remember just a few years ago a night flight from ANC-SEA that was a 732 Hmm, maybe I'm mixing up something.
Since 2007 They have had a night 737-400C flight, I dont think its still operating. Before that the only -200 that would come into SEA was the ANC-JUN-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA flight, it would get in around 10pm then turn around and do the same route at about 8 the next morning. In the mid-late 90's AS did operate a few -200 flights in and out of SEA every day, they all either flew to JUN or KTN.
HikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6459 times:
Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 17): AS hasnt flown ANC-SEA nonstop with -200's for almost 20 years
That isn't accurate. While the company tried to avoid scheduling -200s on that route,
due to irregular operations or the need to position an aircraft, -200s did end up flying
SEA/ANC or ANC/SEA on occasion before they were retired.
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2941 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6363 times:
Quoting M11stephen (Reply 10): People need to learn that independent biz-only airlines don't work.
Exactly. There have been so many attempts and they all failed:
- Eos Airlines
- MAXjet Airways
just to name a few.
Furthermore, there have been a lot of such independent biz-airlines in the 80s l but I forgot all their names. The only name I remember was German Wings (LH was clever enough to buy the rights for that name and to use it later for their low-cost airline).
Somebody should warn people who want to set up an all-business class airline (something like a virus checker, which opens automatically when you are searching for information about all-business class airlines in the internet "WARNING: you are searching for items which are related to all-business class airlines. Please be aware that independent biz-only airlines don't work.")
ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6288 times:
Actually, Alaska did fly 737-200's scheduled nonstop from SEA-ANC on occasion right up until they were retired. It wasn't a regular thing but every now and again you would find one on the schedule. It was usually a late night nonstop during the summer. I worked several of them. Currently, there is a late night 737-400 combi scheduled on this route. It leaves SEA just before midnight and leaves ANC just after 10pm or so.
Airport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6269 times:
Who cares if it's profitable or not, I want them to succeed merely because it'd be me another chance to fly on the 737-200! Woo hoo! Money schmoney, everyone KNOWS that when it comes to the aviation industry, no one cares about money, it's all about spotting and riding cool airplanes, aint that right?
Yes, I'm kidding around. Though I really would love another chance to fly one of my favorite aircraft again.
The idea is so flawed, I don't even know where to begin. I just can't see why ANY starting airline would want to play David vs. Goliath on their first route using all business class service on highly inefficient aircraft (thus resulting in a severe CASM disadvantage), instead of starting a route which has no service and a greater chance at profitability using smaller and more fuel efficient aircraft. But hey, what do I know about starting airlines?
: Didn't delta use to fly SEA-ANC as well? Trying to remember....I know they flew PDX-ANC and LAX-ANC
: I miss the Wien warm towel service. Loved their colors, too. Western flew it, but I don't know how long Delta retained the route. Loved the DC-10's o
: Come down to GYE.....I see no end of ´m every day from my balcony! Beers are on me......... Ecuadorian MD11.
: As a BIZ Class Public "Charter", this is destined to fail. As a regular public charter offering a flight 3-4 times a week between SEA & ANC, in regula
: Alaska, like most airlines, has an ROI that's not much better than sticking the money in a 5 year CD.... point being that people aren't exactly "gett
: After seeing AS cry like babies over the VX thing I would like to see VX or maybe even Mesa with a Go! type operation set up in ANC and completely sma
: Amazing service? Have you flown on them? Sits up or sets up?
: It's just a rumor around the playground, but I've heard that we (HA) may re-start HNL-ANC, and add 2x daily ANC-SEA with our 767's once the first two
: AS is not crying like babies over VX, they are simply requesting a review of their ownership to ensure it is within the bounds of US law. If they are
: Diversifying would certainly be in Hawaiian's Best Interest. I do hope that this rumour actually happens.
: Yeah it would be cool to see and hear a 732 again at SEA. I can just hear those burner cans cracklin on those JT8D's on takeoff and getting enjoyment
: How many times do they have to be told that VX is ownership is legal? Last time I checked AS was an airline, not a regulatory body. AS executives nee
: Why? The process of filing a petition is legal. If you don't like it, change the law. The FAA and DOT and DOJ don't keep a watchful eye on everything