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DL Upgrades PVD  
User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

It might not be mainline but its a start! I was searching a fare out of PVD for late OCT. It listed the aircraft going to ATL as a CR9! Additionally the CVG flight is a 700 which is better than the iron maiden like 200. If it goes well maybe a full mainline a/c next?

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Great news indeed. I'd say there could be a chance to see some D9S's on PVD-ATL in 2010. As for CVG, I think we're lucky to have anything at this point.

User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Very true indeed. It would be great if DL decided to make BDL a real focus city again! Miss the widebodies!

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 1):



User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5021 times:



Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 2):
It would be great if DL decided to make BDL a real focus city again! Miss the widebodies!

How would they do that when they just announced they were building a domestic hub at LGA? A 'real' focus city would be something DL probably won't have the resources for since they are focusing on building up LGA..



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Think they might do flights between PVD/BDL and LGA at some point?

Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):



User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23056 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 4):
Think they might do flights between PVD/BDL and LGA at some point?

There's zero local market between BDL and LGA. The more interesting question is whether they might move a JFK flight to LGA at some point. Obviously, slot availability is an issue, but the RON (which is presumably carrying mostly domestic connections) might do better at LGA.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

I just noticed this myself, this is really exciting!! I am hoping for an MD88 next? I was wondering myself if DL might bring back service to the NYC area from PVD?

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4551 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 6):
I just noticed this myself, this is really exciting!! I am hoping for an MD88 next?

Wow, this statement is a testament to the sad state of PVD compared to just 5 years ago. I remember flying 757s ATL-PVD-CVG and getting a meal served in F class.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4524 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 6):
I just noticed this myself, this is really exciting!! I am hoping for an MD88 next? I was wondering myself if DL might bring back service to the NYC area from PVD?

Again - no real O&D market at PVD for NYC - Amtrak is a much more competitive (and appealing) option - 2.5 train ride downtown-to-midtown, versus hauling out to Warwick, clearing TSA, taking a flight, landing at LGA and then driving into town - takes just as much time. Plus, many more Acelas than there would be PVD-LGA flights on Delta.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4451 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
Again - no real O&D market at PVD for NYC - Amtrak is a much more competitive (and appealing) option - 2.5 train ride downtown-to-midtown, versus hauling out to Warwick, clearing TSA, taking a flight, landing at LGA and then driving into town - takes just as much time. Plus, many more Acelas than there would be PVD-LGA flights on Delta.

PVD-NYC used to be a 100,000 pax/ yr market, and as for Amtrak, the Acela at 2 hr 45 min is good, however the Acela's are full now, and Amtrak isnt getting any more of them. if served properly with a good schedule and non-rip off fares 4-5x CRJs could succeed on PVD-LGA.

Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 6):
I just noticed this myself, this is really exciting!! I am hoping for an MD88 next? I was wondering myself if DL might bring back service to the NYC area from PVD?

Part of the reason mainline hasnt come back yet is that its such a huge jump from a CR7 to an MD88 and most markets cant handle that big of a jump after havent been beat down for so long.

The CR9 is a great first step and when they cross fleet with NW, the DC9 and A319 will be much more logical than a MD88. I would guess that PVD-ATL would be a mix between A319s and CR9 in a couple years after the merger. MD88s were too much and CR7s were too little.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 4391 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
the Acela at 2 hr 45 min is good

it most certainly is good!
considering one can drive Providence to Times Square in 2 hours and 45 minutes.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9384 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 4390 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Wow, this statement is a testament to the sad state of PVD compared to just 5 years ago. I remember flying 757s ATL-PVD-CVG and getting a meal served in F class.

the attraction with Providence was mainly because it was the "fare alternative" to Boston.
anymore, fares to and from Logan Airport are pretty much right in line with the rest of the region.
and in some cases, less.



if assumptions could fly, airliners.net would be the world's busiest airport
User currently offlineDeltaCTO From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4370 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 7):
Wow, this statement is a testament to the sad state of PVD compared to just 5 years ago. I remember flying 757s ATL-PVD-CVG and getting a meal served in F class.

Considering DL offers just CRJ-200's from PVD today ... you are absolutely correct:
Just a few years ago it was ALL DL Mainline to ATL and CVG - 757's and M88's.
And those flights did NOT go out empty


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4336 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9):
The CR9 is a great first step and when they cross fleet with NW, the DC9 and A319 will be much more logical than a MD88.

Maybe, but DL is already using NW metal to fly routes up/down the eastern seaboard. If PVD had such promise, why not use 'em there too? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking...



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4097 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 13):
Maybe, but DL is already using NW metal to fly routes up/down the eastern seaboard. If PVD had such promise, why not use 'em there too? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking...

Actually they have only cross fleeted in certain areas (NE-FL) but nowhere else. Once they have merged labor groups and a merged certificate we will see it, but as of right now there are practically zero DC9s or A319s on DL routes out of ATL.



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User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Well it will be nice to have a few F seats into ATL. The chance to upgrade and such. I am sure some business folks avoided PVD because of this. Maybe they will come back now.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3437 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):
they just announced they were building a domestic hub at LGA?

I hope DL is building a new terminal to go with its hub at LGA! An extra dose of prozac is needed to dispel the gloom of that depressing little airport.


User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

I little off the subject but I noticed the OMA/DSM-ATL is going to 100% CR7 this November.

OMA-ATL is going from 5x CR2 to 5x CR7.

Interesting....Are the finally realizing that's it cheaper to fly OMA-ATL-Florida vs OMA-MSP-Florida like soooo many people are doing now?

If I were Delta, I would reduce OMA-MSP to 5x CR7's and increase OMA-ATL to 5x mainline and pull the mainline off of OMA-MSP. It's just amazing to me how many of the OMA-MSP customers are going to the SE part of the US, which is way out of the way.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Maybe ALB is next on DL? I think if DL still had the 73S, alot more places would be seeing mainline.

ALB went from 738-732-CR7 in a matter of months



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Even though the CR9s are being deployed, the market is going down to three flights a day, down from the current 4. Loss of seats is not a good thing.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2830 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 19):
Even though the CR9s are being deployed, the market is going down to three flights a day, down from the current 4. Loss of seats is not a good thing.

Thats because the 4x only runs in the summer... last fall winter and spring was all 3x CR7, so it is a year over year upgrade. Hopefully the 4th ATL will return earlier this year like in April or May.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Really surprised nobody mentioned the new INTERMODAL station being built at PVD (the closest air/rail/highway/bus link in the USA)!

Once it opens hopefully we can get some increased traffic back at PVD.



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User currently offlineDLMD90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2505 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 21):
Really surprised nobody mentioned the new INTERMODAL station being built at PVD (the closest air/rail/highway/bus link in the USA)!

Once it opens hopefully we can get some increased traffic back at PVD.

I just saw this the other day, it's looking interesting, what is the completion date, does anyone know? I certainly hope this brings increased traffic to PVD....will AA ever return?


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2364 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 18):
Maybe ALB is next on DL? I think if DL still had the 73S, alot more places would be seeing mainline.

Why would you say that? Considering BTV just lost all DL service to ATL, it's tough to judge the market...



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2019 times:



Quoting DLMD90 (Reply 22):
what is the completion date, does anyone know?

Currently expected to open in September of 2010.


25 NWAESC : I know (actually, there are a few nominal examples outside of NE-FL, but still...). That was my whole point. Is PVD not in the NE? There's really not
26 RL757PVD : Like delta is going to do it for just 1-2 routes? If demand was breaking down the door and it was a priority market yea they could, Delta and any air
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