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CO Switching To 777 On EWR/FRA, EWR-FCO In S10  
User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

CO plans to introduce 777 iso 764 on Newark-Frankfurt (eff May 02) and Newark-Rome main flight (eff June 1st).

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...tal-777-to-frankfurt-and-rome.html


So as it stands now CO will operate the T7s on the following European routes next summer :

# EWR-FCO
# EWR-FRA
# EWR-LHR
# IAH-AMS
# IAH-LHR

[Edited 2009-08-28 07:11:23]

38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

So they are downgrading CO #60/61 from 777 to a 764ER it looks then.


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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7359 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
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Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 1):
So they are downgrading CO #60/61 from 777 to a 764ER it looks then.

That appears to be the case. Red Eye and White Eye will have to haul the mail on CO 40.  rotfl 


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

No surprise to see EWR-FRA go 777. Given increased summer traffic and CO's full entry into *A, it makes sense to have more feed into FRA. I'd be surprised if the IAH-FRA route did not go 777 as well eventually.

User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

So this essentially uses the BRU 777 for FCO and a new 777 for FRA. That leaves a 764 and 777 open for new routes or upgauge other routes. Figuring one 777 in the shop for new seats, that leaves a 764.

EWR MUC on 764 anyone?


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8960 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Newark-Frankfurt

Great for the alliance.  Smile



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8937 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 4):
EWR MUC on 764 anyone?

MUC, since when does CO operate MUC n/s on their own metal?



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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8925 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 6):
Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 4):
EWR MUC on 764 anyone?

MUC, since when does CO operate MUC n/s on their own metal?

They don't. Suggesting they just might return to MUC in 2010 if they have a free a/c.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8911 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 7):
Suggesting they just might return to MUC in 2010 if they have a free a/c.

With LH already putting a 346 on EWR-MUC, seems like there would be better uses for that plane.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Wouldn't surprise me to see and airplane swap between IAH-AMS and IAH-FRA.

User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8771 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):
Wouldn't surprise me to see and airplane swap between IAH-AMS and IAH-FRA.

Wouldn't surprise me if IAH-AMS will be axed completely. That route was inaugurated to serve the Skyteam partners hub. Not sure, if they can fill the flights without feeder service on this side of the ocean.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8625 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8739 times:
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Quoting FraT (Reply 10):
Wouldn't surprise me if IAH-AMS will be axed completely. That route was inaugurated to serve the Skyteam partners hub. Not sure, if they can fill the flights without feeder service on this side of the ocean

I have seen on a number of sites opinions posted which state that it will probably remain due to the amount of oil industry business on IAH-AMS. I have no idea whether this is true or just an internet myth ( would not seem unreasonable for it to be true as they are both important oil industry destinations )



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8673 times:



Quoting FraT (Reply 10):
Wouldn't surprise me if IAH-AMS will be axed completely. That route was inaugurated to serve the Skyteam partners hub. Not sure, if they can fill the flights without feeder service on this side of the ocean.

I don't see this route going away anytime soon. Cut back, possibly, but not gone.

KL and CO will each have at least one flight a day on the route. Cargo is also a part of the route's succes. You can see KLM's cargo COmbi numbers at the Houston webpage.

Could the privatair biz only flight disappear? Maybe. But I can easily see one a day service on both KL and CO surviving.

It was thought some of that connecting traffic would be gone due to Sinapore, Qatar and Emirates starting IAH but both AF and KL and CO still fly multi dailes to AMS and CDG

The Houston business atmosphere and community is very international based on medicine, energy, aerospace (mainly space) and trade.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8588 times:

EWR-FRA has been 777 in the past. When I flew to Germany for the European delivery program for Mercedes, it was a 777. That was 5 years ago.


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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8570 times:



Quoting FraT (Reply 10):
Wouldn't surprise me if IAH-AMS will be axed completely. That route was inaugurated to serve the Skyteam partners hub. Not sure, if they can fill the flights without feeder service on this side of the ocean.

KLM and Continental will remain on the route. There is a big enough local (and connecting market without hubs on one end) to justify the flight.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
The Houston business atmosphere and community is very international based on medicine, energy, aerospace (mainly space) and trade.

OIL! That Privatair flight pretty much caters to the oil related traffic going to Amsterdam or connecting to Africa and the Middle East.


User currently offlineRonmacIAH From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 8460 times:

Flying IAH-AMS twice in the off season, it was a packed flight both ways. Load factors appear to remain consistent for this route.

Now, if only CO would restore the 777 on the IAH-CDG flight....



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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8337 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
EWR-FRA has been 777 in the past. When I flew to Germany for the European delivery program for Mercedes, it was a 777. That was 5 years ago.

FRA was a T7 up untill this year. They pulled the T& to start the EWR Shanghai flts.

Look for a 3rd CO flt to FRA next year.


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8271 times:



Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 16):
FRA was a T7 up untill this year.

FRA has been operated with 777 until S08, anyway not on a daily basis.
It was a 3xw 777 + 4xw 762 mix during S08.


User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8248 times:



Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 16):
FRA was a T7 up untill this year. They pulled the T& to start the EWR Shanghai flts.

CO50 EWR-FRA has been multiple types within the past year. I flew it in July '08 and it was a 762, in December '08 it was a 772 and in July of '09 it was a 764. Seems like CO can't seem to decide what type to put on this route (or the loads vary so much that they need to continuously upgrade or downgrade an aircraft).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7804 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7994 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 9):

I think CO will stay where there at on IAH-Europe. IAH-AMS is a larger and more premium market than IAH-FRA. Even with the connections at FRA, there is going to still be a larger need for a 777 on AMS rather than FRA. CDG will stay at a 764 as well Im sure.



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User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7739 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 1):
So they are downgrading CO #60/61 from 777 to a 764ER it looks then.

Not for me!! The 764 is more rare, I'll take it over the 777 I think.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7653 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 12):
Could the privatair biz only flight disappear?

Not likely....that is like a Shell Oil express



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4778 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Not so long ago EWR-FRA was operated with a 747.


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6895 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
With LH already putting a 346 on EWR-MUC, seems like there would be better uses for that plane.

-Mir

I'm not so sure. I would think MUC must be one of the largest, if not the largest, cities in "Western" Europe lacking CO service right now. Perhaps we could also see a return to Cologne/Bonn and maybe even more German cities (Dusseldorf and Stuttgart, anyone?) come online now that Lufthansa will be a major partner. Other possibilities? VCE, VIE, DME, and perhaps IST seem like probable contenders for CO service.



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User currently offlinePhilInBRN From Switzerland, joined Jun 2009, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Would be nice to see daily 764 service to Zurich along with a CO/LX codeshare. This summer they operated 6x 762 abd 1x 764.

25 Post contains links and images UnitedTristar : This is one reason I would think CO would start a IAH to LIS trip to feed into TP's expansive African network. http://www.flytap.com/Portugal/en/Dest
26 EwRkId : CLE or 2x daily from EWR?? On LH? It still is and will be till the Fall esp since CO's longhaul fleet is stretched out so thin!! Yup 764 is a great A
27 Avek00 : No question in any reasonable mind that EWR-FRA will get the same sort of treatment as DTW-AMS or ORD-FRA with no less than triple-daily ops, perhaps
28 Max Q : Should have made that clear, we (Continental) operated EWR-FRA with our 747 Classics.
29 EwRkId : Thats what i thought you meant hahah, how long ago was that?
30 Max Q : That was 1999, a sad occasion, the Classic 747's and the 732's departed.
31 Caljn : Agreed. 764 is a great aircraft. Feels quite spacious...quiet and comfortable. And you gotta love that HUGE center lavatory!
32 EwRkId : don't forget about the floor to ceiling mirror in the bathroom and the raked wing tips which are sexy on that plane!!! aahah
33 FraT : Are you sure, that CO operated the 747 to FRA in the late 90ies. I'm pretty sure, that that must have ended before 1996.
34 Tommy767 : Yeah that seemed to be a little late in the game for CO to have the 742 in the fleet. I think the only 742s (if they were even around at the time) we
35 EWRCabincrew : CO operated the 742s to LGW, ORY, FRA and MAD from EWR. CO had a few 742s serving Air Mike desitinations and even had Continental Micronesia painted
36 Tommy767 : Correct..but not in 1999? right?
37 Co757 : CAL is taking delivery of 2 777s in Qurter 2 of next year
38 Joeman : Full flights don't mean profitable...as our friends in CLE, PIT, STL or CVG are constantly reminded in their threads...
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