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Irish Aviation 24/09  
User currently offlineNeutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9940 times:

I think its time to start a new thread the main talking point for the next few weeks to say the least will be the trouble in store for Aer Lingus and it's staff,hopefully they manage to sort out their issues!

Link to last thread Irish Aviation: Part 23/09 (by ManuCH Aug 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9932 times:



Quoting Neutral (Thread starter):
I think its time to start a new thread

 bigthumbsup  It was getting way to long to follow.

Taking a point from the last thread though about the idea of a SNN-JFK service similar to the MCO service all Y with upgrades to just a J class seat would be a good idea. They could run it from May-September. EI would need the trade behind them though in the US and Ireland.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

CO and DL have a huge advantage at SNN - the strength of their onward connections at EWR and JFK really contribute to the point to point passenger numbers, and allows them to price competitvely on that market segment. The fact that DL - with their super feed couldnt make JFK SNN work really points to how weak the Irish market is at present - (Not just Shannon - DUB has seen some long haul frequency cuts this winter).

Perhaps EI exiting the SNN market will benefit DL and CO next year, and we may see DL reinstate their year round 757 service. 2 profitable long haul airlines are better than 3 marginal carriers for the long term success of the market.

The A330 is really too big for long haul at Aer Lingus, and I was always surprised they went for the A350 over the 787 for long haul expansion - the fact that LAX, SFO and IAD ex DUB as well as the entire SNN based long haul business arent successful really points to poor decision making in my humble opinion.

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Sad to hear that WX are losing money on SNN CDG these days, but the load factors have declined - probably due to EI on LHR and the recession which is really taking its toll on the region. The AR8 is probably the right size for the route, but owing to how the economy is - perhaps its time to revert to Regional and the ERJ for the winter. CDG is a great transit airport - so much easier in comparison to LHR if you stay on Skyteam.

I also noted that SNN CDG was a Flying Blue 5,000 point route for part of the summer - which perhaps points to a load factor weakness - but its hard to compete for p2p against FR, especially when the taxes on the award tickets are higher than the FR fare. (Out of principal I wont fly FR from SNN to BVA as the airport needs the network connectivity of AF)

I'm convinced that this route will turn around once the economy begins to turn and business starts travelling- and I hope that it will - I just hope that the SNN lobby dont accuse WX of contempt for the entire mid west if the flight time is pushed back out to 11am!

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User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

As a fan of most things Ireland (My family hails from Sligo) I am curious as to why EI is always in the red. Many a time my co-workers have tried to non-rev JFK/BOS-DUB but never get on. Since I am not too familiar with Irish companies finances perhaps you could enlighten me? Are their European routes always full? Ryanair taking a bite out of them? Too many chiefs and not enough indians (of ot the the usual problems of US based carriers) I do know they're ending IAD-DUB but how does the rest of the USA-Ireland flights perform?

It would be a shame to not see that Shamrock everytime I'm in JFK or BOS.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9905 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
(Out of principal I wont fly FR from SNN to BVA as the airport needs the network connectivity of AF)

When you regularly connect in CDG, I can't imagine why you'd fly into BVA anyway, unless to take your better half for a romantic weekend... in which case you'd still fly into CDG.  Silly



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9902 times:



Quoting Force13 (Reply 3):
Many a time my co-workers have tried to non-rev JFK/BOS-DUB but never get on.

A large proportion of traffic to ireland from the US is low yielding - similar to Israel or Portugal. Loads can be strong, especially in peak summer.

This year EI is being slowly burnt thanks to the weakness of the Irish economy and the weakness of the US economy and dollar. US tourism is down, as is business traffic on their more corporate and government routes, such as IAD, SFO, etc...

The EI shorthaul network offers an excellent product, at a good price = good value - however yields are down as the economy is suffering, and the worker traffic to eastern europe has vanished.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9902 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Sad to hear that WX are losing money on SNN CDG these days

Maybe when the LHR route came back people jumped ship back to EI depsite saying that they would back AF.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
CDG is a great transit airport - so much easier in comparison to LHR if you stay on Skyteam.

Which top 10 popular destinations ( longhaul ) use the same Terminal at CDG as the arriving and departing Irish flights? I mean say 2E to 2E etc..


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9897 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
I can't imagine why you'd fly into BVA anyway,

I wont - the region needs AF - and should support them. Amazing that FR still operates a daily SNN BVA service, but cant support BHX daily. Competition - eh?



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9896 times:



Quoting EISHN (Reply 234):
CBP will have EWR and BOS (and possibly BA?) to keep them occupied for a few hours this Winter.

EI does not use CBP at SNN so it will only be CO25, BA1 and BA3 that will use CBP in Shannon this winter.

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 236):
You cant just switch back mid season. Network airlines cant do that a la Ryanair. There is also little point switching now, as its going to conflict with the EI flights to LHR, which the SNN lobby also demanded back, even though they knew it woulD likely affect the AF service.

They could have re-scheduled for the winter season. I'm sure going out at the same time as LHR would have little impact as passengers would be connecting on two different airlines at two different airports.

Quoting Styles9002 (Reply 237):
How are you certain loads will be decent? Can you see into the future?

I know this way would have better loads than the way it was before. One aircraft instead of two serving both Shannon and Dublin.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 239):
You really need to stop posting without reading what has been said. Aer Lingus has made a profit in SNN once in ten years, they have said it to the stock exchange in exactly that manner. ONCE IN the past TEN YEARS i.e. since 1999

Surprisingly I did read that post Aer Lingus, but I read in the Irish Times in June that EI had made a profit more times than that. So who will I believe to have more substance?

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 239):
Where did you get this magical number of 5 or 6 passengers?

I'm estimating seeing as no one here, with all their backchat, can shed light on any actual figures.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 239):
Travelling from JFK to Ireland and Europe there are currently 26 connection psossibilties on offer with EI. I hardly call that limited. Do your research before posting a ridiculous and baseless statement.

Calm yourself boy! That's still a lot more limited than other carriers like AF/BA/LH etc. etc., you know what I mean.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 240):
EI offers 26 destinations ex JFK by offering EI105/109, plus SNN and DUB. I have been on plenty of JFK flights and European flights with pax coming from/going to JFK. I have been on JFK-DUB flights with more people connecting to Europe than finishing there journey in DUB. If EI routes EI109 through Shannon they are killing most of there connecting traffic and any chance of operating a hub style operating in DUB.



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 240):
Thats a good point, because I'm sure a lot of people would opt to just fly out on EI105, or take DL/CO if they had to stop in SNN. EI allows people more flexibility by offering an early and late departure to JFK. A lot of business people appreciate this, and EI have recently change the service on EI108 in J to reflect this. Routing people through SNN is a step backwards and handing business to CO, DL, BA etc

If EI want to keep their connecting passengers then just keep the flights to JFK the way they are.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 243):
Its sad to see SNN go this way, but it has to happen. EI is a money pit at the moment. I love transatlantic flying, and cutting SNN-JFK means I will obviously get less, however, it has to happen. Perhaps in years to come, when EI is performing well, they may look at SNN long-haul again. I said before; I think an all Y service ex SNN to JFK and BOS like we operate to MCO would work well. However, I think the crew costs ex SNN are to high to support this

I agree with you on the all Y-class service. I don't think SNN has much of a market for J passengers.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Which top 10 popular destinations ( longhaul ) use the same Terminal at CDG as the arriving and departing Irish flights? I mean say 2E to 2E etc..

The vast majority of AF long haul services use 2E, with some using the dump that is 2C (India) and the masterpiece that is 2F.

2E and 2F are no more than a ten min walk apart

Passenger profile for 2E

http://www.jcdecauxairport.com/_file...is_cdg2e_airport_profiles09_gb.pdf

Passenger profile for 2F

http://www.jcdecauxairport.com/_file...is_cdg2f_airport_profiles09_gb.pdf





[Edited 2009-08-28 12:32:39]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9877 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 9):
The vast majority of AF long haul services use 2E

Although just looking popular Irish destinations for the Caribbean use 2C. I guess the pain is less if you are 2E-2E but I am still hearing bad experiences from PUJ/HAV connections.

As for taking anything out of Terminal 1 in CDG it would be a last resort after my hell experience in December. Give me LHR anyday. LHR is vastly improved over the last 6 months. My recent trip connection T1 Domestic-T1 International was a dream and also T1 to T2 was great also.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9865 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Although just looking popular Irish destinations for the Caribbean use 2C. I guess the pain is less if you are 2E-2E but I am still hearing bad experiences from PUJ/HAV connections.

The flights don't always arrive into the right hall. When I was coming from Chicago we were supposed to arrive at 2E but we arrived at 2F. Then you had to get on a bus to 2E and re-clear security once you got there. Wasn't that bad though.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9863 times:

A little analysis of SNN-LON-SNN:

In 2007, 333,248 flew EI on SNN-LHR-SNN. Due to ending the route, in 2008 this decreased 98% to 8,099 (presumably connections, unless EI stopped the route in early 2008). Unsurprisingly, FR benefited by increased passenger volume due to switching on its LGW, LTN, and STN routes, with LGW up 70% to 196,069; LTN up 602% to 76,740; and STN up 17% to 341,388. In total, those three airports witnessed a total passenger increase of 195,674 in 2008 on flights to/from SNN. However, the total market size LON-SNN-LON decreased from 751,721 in 2007 to 622,246 in 2008, aided by not only EI stopping the route (with the increased volume on LGW, LTN, STN being insufficient to outweigh the loss of LHR) but also by the fuel situation and 'credit crunch' experienced then. It will be good to see what happens for the entire 2009 considering the present climate and EI re-entering SNN-LHR-SNN. Presumably LGW, LTN, STN will witness a decrease as some passengers switch to LHR. But will the total market increase over 2008, stay the same, or decrease yet more? Will 2009 be less than 2007?

[Edited 2009-08-28 12:48:42]


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

For those who think CDG is a dump - some recent photos taken on a camera phone of 2E

http://i25.tinypic.com/es82fc.jpg
Just after security on the main concourse


http://i28.tinypic.com/9r6fzs.jpg
The end of the 2E concourse - far better than any business lounge - and none of the bull about homeless bums!

http://i27.tinypic.com/1pgt2p.jpg
Where more and more WX flights are now departing - gone is the treck to 2G for a good proportion of flights.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9851 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 11):
were supposed to arrive at 2E but we arrived at 2F. Then you had to get on a bus to 2E

Even if you arrive at 2E you have to clear security.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
But will the total market increase over 2008, stay the same, or decrease yet more? Will 2009 be less than 2007?

A lot of the connecting traffic moved to either ORK, which saw an increase in traffic, or to CDG, with AF.



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User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9840 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
Quoting EISHN (Reply 234):
CBP will have EWR and BOS (and possibly BA?) to keep them occupied for a few hours this Winter.

EI does not use CBP at SNN so it will only be CO25, BA1 and BA3 that will use CBP in Shannon this winter.

Yes, but if it's going the other way, SNN pax could stay on the plane at DUB, as pax and the lot are loaded. The same thing was done when EI flew SNN-DUB-LAX. SNN pax did immigration at SNN and then stayed on the plane at DUB.
Although having a SNN tag along may not work, and would just be better off sticking with the 132/133 and CO.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
A lot of the connecting traffic moved to either ORK, which saw an increase in traffic, or to CDG, with AF.


So what do you project the total SNN-LON-SNN market to be for full 2009 based on my 2007 and 2008 figures, what's happening, and your own views?

[Edited 2009-08-28 13:15:39]


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

The sheer idea of EI abandoning non stop DUB JFK for one stop will murder the high yielding corporate traffic on the route - and be shot in the arm for DL and CO.


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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9828 times:



Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
They could have re-scheduled for the winter season. I'm sure going out at the same time as LHR would have little impact as passengers would be connecting on two different airlines at two different airports.

Sorry Amrican, but it would have a huge impact. You have to at least try to offer some differentiation when the total pot of passengers is as small as it is at Shannon. Being a big airline, AF can afford to await the economic turnaround, and they will. Last summer was very succesful, and that is exactly why the route wont go anywhere. The feed is just too good to pass up on.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9813 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
gone is the treck to 2G for a good proportion of flights.

LOL... I was just going to say that next time I go to SXB Im going to try AF again but just realised they go from 2G  Big grin

These are my memories of CDG? Have they knocked this down yet?  Wink

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It just reminds me of when I bought my house and moved in without it being painted. It was bare plaster and depressing.

Then the Multi Lingual signs .....or lack of.  Wink  Big grin

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Oh and left luggage at an international airport that closes at 8pm !!


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9784 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
Sad to hear that WX are losing money on SNN CDG these days

Where was this quoted? I'm sure EI's LHR service is to blame, and with them increasing to 3x daily soon, it cant be good for WX

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Taking a point from the last thread though about the idea of a SNN-JFK service similar to the MCO service all Y with upgrades to just a J class seat would be a good idea

A summer service to BOS/JFK, all Y would work I think. Costs would have to be lowered a lot though. MCO seems to do well as EI have kept it through the summer, so it could work for SNN-JFK/BOS

Quoting Force13 (Reply 3):
Many a time my co-workers have tried to non-rev JFK/BOS-DUB but never get on

DUB-BOS/JFK loads are usually strong

Quoting Force13 (Reply 3):
Too many chiefs and not enough indians

Got it in one!

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 8):
Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 239):
Where did you get this magical number of 5 or 6 passengers?

I'm estimating seeing as no one here, with all their backchat, can shed light on any actual figures.

Nobody is going to post that information as it is classified, and nobody wants to loose there job for divulging such figures!

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 17):
The sheer idea of EI abandoning non stop DUB JFK for one stop will murder the high yielding corporate traffic on the route - and be shot in the arm for DL and CO.

Exactly. EI108's service has been changed to attract pax wanting to stay in New York longer, but offering a meal in the lounge, a supper service, and a different breakfast option. Sending people through SNN will muder this. When I worked in CO, we got a fair amount of people who flew EWR-DUB, and DUB-JFK on EI109 as it gave them nearly the whole day in DUB as it departs at 17.00. From experience at working the 109, a lot of businessmen come straight from meetings in DUB to the airport to take the flight and save time


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9780 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I was just going to say that next time I go to SXB Im going to try AF again but just realised they go from 2G

2G is a great little terminal. Just a short bus ride from 2E if you go landside.

The plan is that when Satellite 4 at CDG is complete, AF will move out of 2C and 2D (They are gone from A and B already) and will centralise in 2E, 2F and the two satellites joined to them, with regional flights from 2G



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9780 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I was just going to say that next time I go to SXB Im going to try AF again but just realised they go from 2G

Bit a bit of an annoyance when you get off the WX flight at 2G - are bussed to 2E, go through immigration, and then have to get a bus back to 2G!

But beats the hell off walking from the end of Pier D in Dublin to flight transfers, and having to walk to the end of Pier D to get the flight to Shannon.

Parts of CDG are really bad - 2B and 2C and Terminal 1 especially poor.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9779 times:

The T5 to T1 Irish gates transfer is pretty desperate also - especially landside.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9775 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):
and having to walk to the end of Pier D to get the flight to Shannon.

You wont have to worry about that soon  Wink  Big grin  duck  You will come out of the arrivals hall and get Bus Eireann...


25 Post contains images BestWestern : How dare you show such contempt for the people of the midwest! I demand an apology - I also demand that EI offer hourly A330 services from gate B21 t
26 Pe@rson : Minimum of hourly!
27 BestWestern : My guesstimate 691,128 Based on FRx5 daily EIx2 daily FR 75% loads EI 70% loads
28 Pe@rson : That's more like it. Will see what happens...
29 Shamrock321 : I stayed away from the last thread it was getting a bit heavy! 4 days for me away from DUB now longest in 4 years! We had a great last day which inclu
30 OA260 : Only if I can have my hovercraft from Newry to Dublin until the Malahide rail line is fixed Does the Shannon Free Zone still exist? I may have asked
31 COEI2007 : EI could do that and the lobbyist's in SNN would still complain the timings were rong, they want an A340 service every half hour, or B21 isnt good en
32 OA260 : Thats where a fleet of 80 seater E170's would come in handy. They could serve SNN-DUB and DUB-UK Regional.
33 Shamrock604 : Delighted to hear that shamrock321!! let us know when you get the good news!
34 AmricanShamrok : Never knew they did a SNN-DUB-LAX. How long ago was that? I think the US Dept. of Homeland Security requires the EI133 and EI127 to disembark at SNN
35 Wexfordflyer : Anyone know anything about a US Airways diverted into DUB about 8 this morning due to a medical emergency? Caused a delay to my flight this mornin but
36 Aer Lingus : Head, brick and wall are coming to mind right now...
37 OA260 : I vaguely remember that on my DUB-LAX flight , passengers were already on the A/C. I had actually booked DUB-LGW (BA) - LGW-DFW ( AA ) - DFW-BUR ( AA
38 TravelExec : Probably too many EI employees non-revving... Too many staff, too well paid, not enough productivity - and especially, senior management left over fr
39 EI320 : Seriously, this whole SNN "discussion" is getting a bit tiresome. If it's commercially viable, then EI will hold tight with SNN-JFK, if it's not, then
40 OA260 : Yes I have done that before and its not bad at all. But ZRH is the winner of all the airports I have been through.
41 BrianDromey : LHR T1 is very civilised now, especially if you have are *G. I travelled through T1 with BD this week, and it was a pleasure. We arrived bang-on time
42 OA260 : Yeah that new Gold sign outside stating ''No Dogs ....No .... No DUB's/EDI's lol... The Scottish and the Irish lounges are to be refurbed though so f
43 Shamrock604 : Absolutely. It needs to be said that on this thread, we have very senior staff from some major airlines, all who know a thing or two about operating
44 EI320 : Good post Shamrock
45 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Belfast escapes airline pay cuts http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8227956.stm I suppose the same goes for the LGW base. The Aer Lingus results pres
46 Styles9002 : Intelligent post.
47 Shamrock321 : The Irish Times claims 60% of the EI losses are from longhaul! What are the chances of EI following MA,OK and now OA and ditching all long haul flight
48 Post contains links OA260 : Pilots take Aer Lingus to court over pay arrears A GROUP of pilots at Aer Lingus has begun a High Court action against the company for failing to pay
49 Shamrock321 : Are those idiots for real? The company is loosing money hand over fist and the rest of the country is bleeding jobs like theres no tommorow and they w
50 Shamrock604 : Thank you kindly! Big improvement in BFS then. Great stuff.
51 AmricanShamrok : Don't get worked up about it I'm not going to change my opinion. And that's all it is-an opinion. I do understand what you're saying and I know what
52 BrianDromey : LH has been challenging for the group over the past number of years - even in the good times. I think they will stick with it, for now, as they have
53 Shamrock604 : Well at least you do realise that it sounds illogical!! Only messing... On a serious note, I think the reason why people may seem as if they are gett
54 Aerdingus : Yeah but you should understand that these are countries with lots of ex-colonies and ex-empires, with lots of traffic between them. If only Ireland h
55 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : The last EI direct flight between Shannon and Chicago in 14 years is about to depart SNN. Shame to see it go. I myself have flown 11 return flights on
56 Acelanzarote : Out out of interest are the EI A320's EI-EDP/EDS configured differently? Just wondering why them do not appear on any of the EI services into Lanzarot
57 Pe@rson : Market share statistics on a route-by-route basis comparing years please! Of course, airlines become obsessed by market share, when profit should be
58 OA260 : EI-DUO Is operating it. Loads were not that great either.
59 Post contains images Shamrock604 : HA HA!!!   Sorry to break it to ya mate, but we actually managed to do that all by ourselves! We have resolved our issues as they say on Oprah.... h
60 Shamrock604 : Yes, those aircraft were built for Iberia, and contain its configuration. They will be altered eventually to EI's config. I'm guessing because they h
61 COEI2007 : The problem with EI long-haul is obviously yields combined with high costs. We have in-house cleaning, catering etc, all adding costs onto the operat
62 EI320 : LGW-ACE fares in Nov/Dec seem worryingly low at just £46 return. Doesn't say much for loads, but especially yield.
63 AmricanShamrok : My mother and father took too seperate flights on EI127 a few months apart and both times Y was 70%-80% full, J not so much.
64 EISHN : Does the local parish fund NOC? I was watching Reeling in the Years last night, and they were talking to Mnsgr Horan who seemed to be heading up the w
65 OA260 : I was being diplomatic ( a rare occasion ) lol... Amricanshamrock has taken a bashing the last 24 hours but at least he has taken it in good grace Nu
66 COEI2007 : Y loads are fine, but if J is going empty the flight isnt doing to well. Hopefully things improve and it comes back
67 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : Thanking you  I suppose no one got up to see the space shuttle and take pics?[Edited 2009-08-29 05:39:10]
68 OA260 : Did you? lol... at 0517 or whatever time it was I was fast asleep.
69 AmricanShamrok : I did not - very interested and what not but I draw the line at having to part with my bed!
70 Pe@rson : The total NOC-LON-NOC market was 293,447 in 2008, up from 235,038 in 2007. For 2008, 44,208 flew NOC-LGW-NOC, up 1742% over 2007. Who operated the ro
71 Greenjet : No, just XL. The last operator before that was Ryanair but they pulled off the route shortly after easyJet exited it in 2006.
72 Pe@rson : [quote=Greenjet,reply=71]No, just XL.quote] Thanks.
73 COEI2007 : Some of us are already up a few hours for work at that time!
74 OA260 : LOL... one reason I never took that profession. I dont know how you do it . Id feel physically sick getting up all the time at that hour. Its bad eno
75 Shamrock604 : These were all good when the economy was good. There was a time when every EI T/A flight was people behind, so busy were they. The EI long haul opera
76 COEI2007 : Well thats very true, but we are the easiest one's to target. Crew are a weaker group as we dont see each other every day, and can easily go a few mo
77 Pe@rson : Seems that BRI or BDS will FR's next base (its 35th), thereby further cementing FR and Italy - presently 23 served airports and 8 bases (CIA, PSA, BGY
78 Styles9002 : While I agree with the assertion, I also believe that EI needs an aircraft with smaller capacity to flexibly serve the US in low and/or off season. T
79 Aer Lingus : I wonder might they be able to snatch some early 787's instead from customers wanting to defer initial deliveries. Cancel the A350, they are seriousl
80 Aerdingus : Thta's interesting, kind of like how FR have a cult status, kind of like"you have to go just to say you flew Ryanair" because there is always so much
81 EICVD : Im after seeing that 3 times in just over a week now. Last time I saw it was February 2008! Saw that aswell while I was out in Baldoyle, those things
82 Aerdingus : God, that's a long time! I heard it's not really around Dublin much. Then again they have like a bazillion airplanes... Ha! Do you mean the little Be
83 COEI2007 : With the upcoming cuts coming to EI, is it strange that IAD-MAD hasnt been bookable at EI.com for the last few days? It's being advertised on UA.com t
84 Aer Lingus : have both my work computers been screwed up all this week or has it not been possible to purchase a J class ticket on EI.com?
85 OA260 : Its showing now. DUB-JFK €1330 each way . Horrendous prices !! DL is around €1612 return. CO is €1678 . Aer Lingus are not at the races....
86 EICVD : Yeah I mean the little beech. Could hear it, looked behind me & expected to see something interesting but no, was that yoke!
87 Shamrock604 : I think EI's big mistake has been the 300's. The 200 would have been a better fit for most routes. I think IAD and SFO can be made to work, just laun
88 CelticMech : EI Half Year Results Upon initially seeing and hearing about the half year loss of 93 Million, first reactions were the same as everyone else...EI s i
89 Oneworld77 : You said it. I tried in the last thread to get an answer to the following -(but was ignored amid all the EI news and SNN toy throwing). Hopefully now
90 Aerdingus : Ha! "yoke"! I wonder if what the owner would think if they saw that gas
91 Shamrock604 : Rumours were rife some time ago that RE were in trouble, but it's all gone rather quiet now. RE will have a pickle on their hands soon, if the Govern
92 BrianDromey : Sorry, that was H109 Vs H108. The reason I mentioned UK routes is that they are key to any Irish airline's profitability, from RE through to FR. Anyo
93 EIBoston : Raading down the thread I was thinking the exact same thing. If Airbus only had something to go over the atlantic like the 757. It would be so ideal
94 Wexfordflyer : Saw a Privilege Airlines 767 in DUB tonight when I got in. We parked next to it. Caught my eye as soon as I opened the door. Really nice to see a diff
95 Shamrock350 : Had a good flight back to London with Aer Lingus this evening, Cork was quite busy with a lot of people arriving back from their summer holidays and p
96 Post contains links EI320 : The removal of aircraft from Dublin and Cork to Belfast and London Gatwick, a reduction in business class seats and significant jobs cuts - all to be
97 Post contains links BestWestern : Interesting presentation http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/H...year_results_2009_presentation.pdf Most interesting from page 15 onwards? Now for the
98 Post contains links and images OA260 : Free lounge access on Flexi Fares ::
99 Post contains links and images OA260 : If you put in your destination then select dates then click ''yes'' to flexible dates then click ''no'' the ''lowest'' tab then resets then lets you
100 Oneworld77 : Is the e10m related to the 11% PSO loss? Or loss due to the downturn? FR style taxes only tix are not going to help! Thanks both, any ideas what rout
101 Shamrock604 : Its in Salzburg. All of this EI talk of moving aircraft to BFS and LGW I feel is overblown. It is more designed to put pressure on ROI based staff to
102 OA260 : Thanks for solving that. I was wondering where had yellow steps. I guess the UIA A/C were charters maybe.
103 Post contains images BestWestern : You win the prize. An fso polonez 1500 coupe Only 15 careful owners, comes with a tank of petrol.
104 BrianDromey : Im not sure, to be honest. I think I seem to remember that they are breaking-even at the moment, but as a private company it is hard to know what is
105 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : I just checked the same dates as you and sure enough the fare was €2736 but then I checked a few more dates and they came up as €1889 return. So
106 EI320 : I couldn't find any reference to the redundancy payments in the report. I'd have thought redundancy payments would be under exceptional items, but ac
107 Greenjet : For the first seven months of 2009 the traffic in the SNN-LON market is as follows: LHR 51,227 (up 532.5%) LGW 116,665 (up 6.3%) STN 179,402 (down 10
108 Nibog : And a free box of matches!!!!!
109 Phen : Just wondering about the status of EI's A330 order - I know they ordered 6 330s along with the 6 350s a few years back; am I correct in saying 2 have
110 EIRules : Hey all, does anyone know if there was a problem with the AC flight this morning? It appeared to leave the gate and then head back and was still there
111 OA260 : They need to make them available on all flights IMHO. If I was a consumer and saw the high fares then went to CO or DL I would automatically book the
112 AmricanShamrok : I think it's 'EAV that's going to CI. Not sure when though. 2 questions about DUB: - Are there any flights that use remote stands at DUB and have bus
113 Aer Lingus : Unless it has changed since Jan of this year C51-C56 lower level pier c gates are bussed, remote stands
114 Shamrock321 : I think there is only 1 maybe 2 of the lower C gates used for bussing passengers now as the rest have been put out of use because of T2 works. A20/21
115 Bx737 : According to an SR Technic engineer I was speaking with this afternoon it had engine problems and SR Technics were fixing it. Speaking of SR Technics
116 Aerecosse : Agree that some form of smaller aircraft other than the A320 would allow frequencies to be maintained, allowing regular connections for both US & UK
117 M6480 : T2 will have dual air bridges. As far as I can remember 4 l/h stands will be dual with the other 4 been single. How that works with s/h aircraft I do
118 COEI2007 : BFS was cut this winter so to see them increase flights with an extra a/c based there would be odd. LGW was always going to get more aircraft, as 8 w
119 Phen : Thanks guys, much appreciated. Hopefully with 8 330s all in the same layout by March, at least EI long haul has that going for it whenever/if ever th
120 OA260 : Anyone know why RE from LDY and SXL is cancelled today ?
121 Post contains links CelticMech : Apologies for not linking it...Now for the Fine Tooth Comb....heres the link http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/Half_Year_Report_2009.pdf Pls go to P
122 EISHN : Perhaps someone could send an e-mail to Joe or Pat tomorrow, get this out in the airwaves?
123 Post contains links BestWestern : Guys - there is a huge section on the investor presentation - that clearly states redundancy http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/H...year_results_2009
124 EISHN : I'm not a fan of Joe either, but it is a medium for getting things out there.
125 Aer Lingus : I think you just volunteered! Remember to mention "Irish Aviation 24/09" as your point of referecene haha
126 CarbHeatIn : The redundancy payments came out of the cash reserves, money EI already had in the bank so to speak. The 93 million is the amount EI lost on day to da
127 EISHN : Ha! Not to forget Celticmech either! But if anyone was to write a letter, it should be either himself or Bx737, or one of the other crew members.
128 OA260 : Heard the funniest thing today in my paper shop. Two old guys were talking about the Aer Lingus bad news. ''Oh its a terror no doubt about it '' , ''S
129 Post contains links BrianDromey : If anyone is interested to see what the Premier product looks like, I have finally gotten around to doing a TR from my trip over the pond in June. Aer
130 Post contains links Styles9002 : Interesting article in FT.com Lufthansa seeks JetBlue code-share http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2ef84056-9581-11de-90e0-00144feabdc0.html If approved, I wo
131 Gulfstream : Does anyone know what a/c will be operating 133 on Thursday? Thanks.
132 Bx737 : I came across interesting information in a Manx newspaper about RE. In July on the IOM-LCY route RE carried 5600 passengers as opposed to 500 carried
133 Post contains links OA260 : Not that busy at DUB this morning . Air Canada parked at the off stands Pier E today next to DHL A300. T2 coming along nicely, entrance door arches ha
134 Shamrock321 : I think the parked AC aircraft may be yesterdays tech AC895?
135 Bramble : Didn't think about that but very true. Surely top managers should have the ambition to be CEO? You could say that Willie and his 2 buddies were the A
136 EISHN : Surely someone on here, not emploeyed by EI could wirte up a letter or e-mail? I'm not nominating myself, I don't have the business head to take care
137 EIRules : Hey I know I asked this already but does anyone know what a/c will operate the 137 to BOS tomorrow? Thanks guys
138 EI320 : I don't think this development will affect EI at all. EI don't codeshare with B6, it's just a simple interline agreement. Also, the EI/B6 connections
139 Aerdingus : Mais oui! Yay good Irish news from the little guy.
140 Styles9002 : I concede that LH has little or no interest in carrying passenger from the USA to DUB but surely any code-share LH has with B6 will be a priority for
141 Post contains links Aer Lingus : This sentence in the Irish Times regarding the Mohammed Ali visit was separated in its own paragraph, I couldn't help but chuckle given our recent SNN
142 Shamrock604 : True, but conversely, it could also be the case that LH's working relationship with JB might foster greater links between EI and LH..... Slim chance
143 IKECVN69 : I have a question as far as connections in DUB go. I am flying from LHR - BOS via DUB on EI (157,137). Will my bags go through or will I have to colle
144 OA260 : Could be , as I walked down to D64 today I saw it being towed near SR Technics and Pier D starts. D gates were Star Gates today. TK A321 / SK A320 an
145 Post contains links BestWestern : Good to see that www.expedia.ie is now selling flights. The expedia booking engine is so easy to use, and was one of the things I really missed having
146 TravelExec : I was on a few of these myself...I was really impressed by this statistic, until... ...Pe@rson reminded me that I have a degree in economics... Very
147 Post contains links Loughrey1 : EI 2009 half year results Looking at the part where it says that EI have 52% of the BFS-BCN market in comparison to 33% in the previous year and also
148 COEI2007 : JFK to BHX or GLA would have been a good idea. IAD-MAD is an odd one! Market share is great, but yields are going to be low this winter, and the a/c
149 BrianDromey : I'd imagine this is a pretty seasonal route? Also EI have introduced significnat numbers of canaries flights this winter from BFS (and ORK, LGW too).
150 Post contains links COEI2007 : I have found we get a decent amount of traffic ex MAN, but obviously if there was more advertising, MAN-DUB-USA would be a lot more popular. CO if fl
151 M6480 : ---------------------------------- Weston airport flyin Saturday 05 September 2009 Prizes will be awarded on the day for the following categories: - O
152 Bx737 : They have already started this with LGW-EIN starting in October
153 Pe@rson : Some info re. LON-EIN-LON: In total, 200,856 flew LON-EIN-LON in 2008. Of this, 7,669 was to/from LHR; 10,989 to/from LCY; and 182,198 to/from STN. C
154 COEI2007 : Well its only secondary if they intend on serving AMS through EIN. I think they are only serving EIN as it is a short sector and will keep the a/c fl
155 EIDAA : Looks good - I hope they get some interesting visitors. We don't really talk about Weston very often here, so it's nice to see a post about it! As a
156 Bramble : Be careful, the mayo of Ennis/Clare may feel snubbed that he didn't spend the full day there! Its amazing that EI have such a unique selling point in
157 Styles9002 : Did SkyEurope (NE) ever serve Ireland?
158 EICVD : Im certain they flew to DUB from two destinations. BTS & I think Kosice?
159 LUPOR1D : AFAIK they also did Bratislava-Cork
160 COEI2007 : I'm sure CIA would be a lot cheaper to operate to, and less congested, as FCO flights are always delayed! That airport is a pain! I wonder will they
161 BrianDromey : Yea, they did it for a while, not for very long though. Cheaper, perhaps. Less congested, Im not so sure. The few times I've been to CIA we've had to
162 Pe@rson : The problem with CIA is that it is extremely limited accessibility-wise. Indeed, there was lots of press coverage of it, although not much recently.
163 Greenjet : They also did DUB-KRK at one point.
164 Pe@rson : Sat-only DUB-SZG-DUB (twice on Sat) and DUB-TRN-DUB (once on Sat) from 2nd Jan-27th Mar. Restarted for the winter season. === Note: I was requested to
165 OA260 : Yes thats the one that sprung to my mind when I was thinking about routes.
166 Shamrock350 : It seems Aer Lingus are well on their way to having 8 aircraft based at Gatwick next summer, apparently the current schedule on aerlingus.com requires
167 BrianDromey : When I last visited it was long queues at security, one cafe and over-crowded toilets. I would choose FCO any day. In addition to having superior fac
168 OA260 : EI-DUZ had to return to the gate yesterday due to problems with its navigation system. It operated to BOS. ( Info courtesy of EIRULES) .
169 Bx737 : Interestingly for a destination that was only started in 2001 EI now operates a total of 48 flights a week into AGP. Fair play to Pe@rson for all of
170 Bramble : LGW seems like its working out well. Could be what EI need to help them weather the drop in the Irish market. Any ideas on another possible base?
171 EISHN : Ah lads, the weather truly is Irish today: rubbish. Did anyone see Muhamed Ali's plane yesterday? I tried my best to see him, but all I saw was his ca
172 Shamrock321 : I have a mate who is EI crew and a couple of weeks ago he was rostered on the Saturday IBZ flight 2 weeks in a row! He told me they had some trouble b
173 Post contains links and images OA260 : Certainly is . Just back from a few days in Zurich and it was 26-28c. Im frozen now !! Anyone know what the all yellow B737 was with a blue stripe la
174 EICVD : Hardly a surprise really. DUB-IBZ must be the busiest route for disruptive passengers. Alltough Ive never been to Ibiza id much prefer to just go to
175 Shamrock321 : The yellow 737 you refer to OA belongs to Air French Post, normally seen during rugpy charters but September is a busy month for Lourdes flights and I
176 Post contains links and images AerLingus747 : The only airline I can think of is Europe Airpost. View Large View MediumPhoto © Pavel Caslavsky
177 Bx737 : There was a report on TodayFM about Dublin Aerospace. They will initially employ 150 people rising to 220 within five years. Conor McCarthy said they
178 OA260 : Yes thats it mystery solved. Never seen it before. Thats a bit bad. At least they should have the courtesy to tell you the truth.
179 Post contains links OA260 : Aer Lingus chairman spends €30,000 on shares in airline Aer Lingus chairman Colm Barrington, who has in the past been criticised by shareholders for
180 EICVD : Im pretty sure Europe Airpost are operating for Budget Travel from ORK aswell.
181 Post contains links and images OA260 : One thing which we wont see again at DUB ! Although SHP are still using their barriers ::
182 IrishLPL : Hello everyone! This is my first Anet post although I have been following this for a while now, I've not joined until today!- I'm dead excited to be p
183 OA260 : Welcome to another member from the Border counties
184 Neutral : Welcome to the forum IrishLPL and don't worry no post is ever too long.
185 Post contains links OA260 : Are these old EI seats part of the original A/C or did EI sell them to this airline? http://www.planes.cz/cs/photo/101066...nes-svr-u6-prague-ruzyne-p
186 EISHN : " target=_blank>http://www.planes.cz/cs/photo/101066...lkpr/ Ei must have sold them. That's an A320, and the only EI A320s to have had those seats are
187 EI320 : Welcome IrishLPL, looking forward to hearing more from you! The first A320's did have the blue cloth seats, although I can't recall ever seeing the g
188 Post contains links and images OA260 : Oh ok . When I looked at first I thought I was seeing things. Didnt look like EI. Those crew look scary lol... On another note I popped into the Gold
189 Toulouse : They actually have a fairly large fleet of over 20 737's doing a mixture of cargo and passenger charter flights. They also have an Irish connection a
190 Post contains links BrianDromey : The layout of the seats is not like any EI A320/321 I've been on. I never saw every second row alternating between blue/green. I have only seen block
191 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have started another TV advertising campaign in London and the south east, the advert starts by saying "It your lucky day" and shows a slot
192 Post contains images Aerdingus : Yeah she told me it was EI. My post got deleted............ Welcome, good to have new blood, (even though I consider myself still a newbie) [Edited 2
193 OA260 : They should have kept them , theyd make a good PE seat lol... I never saw that one. Its mad this months feature in the Swiss magazine is also Athens!
194 CallBell : Those seats look like they were re-upholstered in the dark green leather that lasted until the newer fabric and leather covered seats arrived i think
195 M6480 : So they are. They must have sold off the seats from the first 330’s ?
196 SURFER : Yeah was working on the ramp yesterday at einn.Mr Ali arrived in on a global express N700GB and there was also a support aircraft for his entourage w
197 Eirbus06 : Yes,they have one aircraft based in ORK on saturdays & sundays.
198 Post contains links M6480 : FR will love this....... ------------------------ British budget airline easyJet is to close its East Midlands base and reduce services at Luton airpo
199 Shamrock321 : Funny how things work, was giving out here yesterday about not hearing back about a job in DUB and then I get the call! Latest update is its delayed b
200 EISHN : Congratulations man! Sweet! Cheers for sharing.
201 Neutral : Great news hopefully its sooner rather than later.
202 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus are doing another publicity stunt in London at the end of the month, noticed Visual Media looking for 150 people on twitter for the stunt o
203 EIDAA : Great news Shamrock321... delighted to hear that it is going ahead! Congrats! Does anyone know how many aircraft U2 have based at BFS?
204 IrishLPL : Thanks everyone for the warm welcome, it feels good to be onboard I'm going to Gothenburg on Wednesday to see my friend for a few days, Ryanair via ST
205 EI320 : I don't think it's possible to correct it once you've checked-in. You can reprint the BP, but not change the details. It might be worth giving FR a c
206 EI320 : Great news Shamrock321, hopefully you'll be back in DUB before long. 6 I think, it's one of the few remaining 737 bases
207 Dejmurph : hi guys did anyone mention today's add in the Irish Indo business section for EI's Flexfare fare. Note the pic!!! Its an old 737!! Sack the marketing
208 Post contains links Sawtooth : Last friday was NOCs busiest day ever with over 4500 using the airport, I'd imaging space was tight on the 3 stand apron. It also had the busiest Augu
209 AmricanShamrok : SkyEurope began service to Ireland in the winter season of 2005/06 with 3 weekly flights to Bratislava (NE150/NE151) and 3 weekly to Kraków (NE176/N
210 Post contains links Shamrock350 : I don't think they've done one with Ireland featuring on the cover for years. I have the Chicago one as well, the colours are brilliant. http://www.f
211 AmricanShamrok : " target=_blank>http://www.flickr.com/photos/shamroc...5170/ Ha-I have that one too! I have a good few actually. EI: Jul 09 Brooklyn Apr/May 09 Nice
212 Post contains links and images OA260 : My Swiss TR can be found here : Swiss Business Class /ZRH Spotting&New A330 Naming (by OA260 Sep 3 2009 in Trip Reports)
213 Post contains links OA260 : THE NUMBER of visits abroad made by Irish people fell 7 per cent in the second quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2008, according to
214 Post contains links Toulouse : Well here are my July statistics for Toulouse airport: despite the general fall in travel everywhere, and an overall drop of -2.2% in traffic at TLS,
215 Post contains links Styles9002 : Mix-up on Ireland team flight to Cyprus http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/0904/ireland_flights.html In this day and age, this type of complaint is v
216 Shamrock321 : They flew with bmi. Seems like a hole not of noise for nothing! If it was all players and officials why wasnt the entire flight a business class fligh
217 Aer Lingus : Spoiled brats... playing for the country should keep them satisfied, not business class seating.
218 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : RYANAIR INCREASES CHECK-IN BAG ALLOWANCE FROM 1 TO 2 BAGS from 1 October 2009 All bag charges to rise as fares fall 20% http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN
219 Pilot21 : Actually, I have complete sympathy for the players on this issue - and it isn't the 1st time this has happened with the FAI. The players have a long
220 Post contains links OA260 : Hi guys I set up a new thread as we were over 200 . Irish Aviation 25/09 (by OA260 Sep 4 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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