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Biman To Resume 2 Weekly DAC-JFK Flights  
User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12874 times:

See:
http://www.newagebd.com/2009/aug/29/busi.html#1

" ‘Biman is planning to operate two flights a week on the Dhaka-New York route…The authorities have started preparing for the operations,’ civil aviation and tourism minister GM Quader told New Age at his office on Thursday.
The US authorities have agreed to provide Biman slots [permission for landings and takeoffs] from October, he informed."

Also see:
http://www.facebook.com/shabbir.bash.../group.php?gid=113544046733&ref=mf

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User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12809 times:

Nonstop? Surely not with a 77W...

User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12780 times:



Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 1):
Nonstop? Surely not with a 77W...

Oh some of us are hoping for a non-stop flight .. but the newspaper article suggests that Biman is starting all over again looking for a "good" lease deal ... never ending cycle with Biman it seems ... sigh!


User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12759 times:



Quoting Biman (Reply 2):
Oh some of us are hoping for a non-stop flight .. but the newspaper article suggests that Biman is starting all over again looking for a "good" lease deal ... never ending cycle with Biman it seems ... sigh!

The best it can be is one stop or else it will be something like DAC-BOM-DXB-BRU-JFK



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User currently offlineTharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12765 times:

I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 1):
Nonstop?

I'll not believe it, even if I do see it.


User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12721 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 3):
The best it can be is one stop or else it will be something like DAC-BOM-DXB-BRU-JFK

What about just a fuel stop in Shannon? Stoppages cost in terms of time, money and inconvenience .. what do you guys think?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12709 times:



Quoting Atomsareenough (Reply 1):
Nonstop?

Surely not !

Quoting Ojas (Reply 3):
t will be something like DAC-BOM-DXB-BRU-JFK

I doubt. Why would they stop in BOM and DXB ? I'd rather see DAC-XXX Europe-JFK.

Biman used to operate DAC-BRU-JFK and then DAC-MAN-JFK in the past.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12708 times:

FWIW, I believe they are looking to lease used 777's for this until their 77W's are delivered.

- Hamlet69



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12681 times:



Quoting Biman (Reply 5):
What about just a fuel stop in Shannon? Stoppages cost in terms of time, money and inconvenience .. what do you guys think?

It won't make sense. I believe they could operate DAC-EU-JFK catering to 3 markets.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
I doubt. Why would they stop in BOM and DXB ? I'd rather see DAC-XXX Europe-JFK.

Biman used to operate DAC-BRU-JFK and then DAC-MAN-JFK in the past.

I was just trying to imply they would do multiple stops at unwanted places.



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User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12613 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 8):
It won't make sense. I believe they could operate DAC-EU-JFK catering to 3 markets.

Well .. the thing is most of the travelers would be of Bangladeshi origin residing in the USA. Having a stop-over in the EU poses issues with travel documents and hence related delays ..

These were my thoughts:
http://www.independent-bangladesh.co...ht-between-dhaka-and-new-york.html


User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12601 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
Biman used to operate DAC-BRU-JFK and then DAC-MAN-JFK in the past.

See this technical analysis from Boeing:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...=2294443&l=4fe03c9a08&id=706763914


User currently offlineBoacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12470 times:



Quoting Biman (Reply 9):

Well .. the thing is most of the travelers would be of Bangladeshi origin residing in the USA. Having a stop-over in the EU poses issues with travel documents and hence related delays ..

There a lot of aircraft that could possibly be used for DAC direct EWR or JFK, much like a non-stop SQ SIN/EWR flight, which may be a longer route as it starts in SIN which is 23 degrees south in latitude.

The big question is that unlike the J-class SQ, just how many pax want to connect JFK to DAC ?

For example: what about the West coast ex-pats? SFO-DAC ? What about the IAH and ATL folks ?

And what about the thousands of IAD area folks ?

Any way, none of this may matter in the end: political considerations will overtop any fleet management decisions for BG - always !

For fun, here is great circle data:

From To Initial
Heading Distance
SIN (01°21'01"N 103°59'40"E) EWR (40°41'33"N 74°10'07"W) 357° (N) 9535 mi
DAC (23°50'36"N 90°23'52"E) EWR (40°41'33"N 74°10'07"W) 347° (N) 7882 mi
Total: 17416 m



Up, up and Away!
User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12425 times:

Let us set straight a few things first, while I appreciate your efforts to count in the logistics for DAC - JFK, it is not as simple as it has been projected in the article.

First of all DAC - JFK is possible only on the B77L and not on the B77W. And With Biman configuring them in all economy 450+ seats there is no shadow of doubt left.

Secondly DAC is an extremely low yielding destination as you are aware and the longer the distance is the poorer chances of it being dependable on VFR traffic. If there are 200,000 Bangladeshis living Bangladesh everyone would mainly travel to Bangladesh only during holiday seasons .. but what about rest of the days?

Thirdly, There is little or absolutely no premium traffic plying between JFK and DAC which further dips the yield. For such a flight to be profitable they cannot afford to sell tickets at a discounted price which means the cost per ticket at an average has to be around $1200 -$1300 dollars. Now you tell me who will pay more than average fare to fly Biman? Secondly If I may take the liberty BG has a pathetic reputation amongst all people using it.

Plus IAH - DXB/DOH - DAC is more appealing than IAH-JFK-DAC; and the west coast is taken care by CX/KA;SQ;MH;TG.

No way the non stop can make any sense.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2866 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12272 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 12):
With Biman configuring them in all economy 450+ seats there is no shadow of doubt left.

 yuck  If that is true, I bet just about everyone will just opt for the cheap connecting fares on EK, QR, and EY...

Quoting Ojas (Reply 12):
DAC is an extremely low yielding destination

Is this true? I thought the Middle Eastern airlines do very well out of DAC? When I flew Emirates JFK-DXB you had quite a few folks with plenty of oversized luggage going on to DAC...

Quoting Ojas (Reply 12):
If I may take the liberty BG has a pathetic reputation amongst all people using it.

I seem to remember reading a trip report on here where the author called the Biman office and was told to avoid and book on another airline!  Wink

The article states that Biman has dropped Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Bangkok, and Delhi from its network recently. It seems like the airline has SERIOUS issues if it can't make Delhi or Bangkok work. I don't think we'll see Biman in the U.S. anytime soon. And even if they do ever begin the service, I would be shocked if they made a dime off it.



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12157 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
Is this true? I thought the Middle Eastern airlines do very well out of DAC? When I flew Emirates JFK-DXB you had quite a few folks with plenty of oversized luggage going on to DAC...

Well middle eastern carriers do well out of DAC because when compared to the USA the expat Bangladeshi population in the Gulf is huge.



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User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12086 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 12):
Secondly DAC is an extremely low yielding destination as you are aware and the longer the distance is the poorer chances of it being dependable on VFR traffic. If there are 200,000 Bangladeshis living Bangladesh everyone would mainly travel to Bangladesh only during holiday seasons .. but what about rest of the days?

Thirdly, There is little or absolutely no premium traffic plying between JFK and DAC which further dips the yield. For such a flight to be profitable they cannot afford to sell tickets at a discounted price which means the cost per ticket at an average has to be around $1200 -$1300 dollars. Now you tell me who will pay more than average fare to fly Biman?

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However, there are some assumptions I need to make to justify my thoughts and I leave it up to the experts in your readership to judge the fairness thereof. The article claims that there are some 200,000 Bangladeshis residing in the United States; let’s add another 50,000 to cover those who live in Canada. If we assume about 90% of these folks travel to Bangladesh at least once every two years, and 75% of them live east of the Texas-Ontario diagonal and are therefore likely to fly on the JFK-DAC route. This brings the total number of such customers to 168,750. In other words, there are 660+ people who travel between Dhaka and New York every calendar day.

The current cost of an average economy class return ticket from this region (Toronto, New York, Washington DC etc.,) on Etihad, Emirates and Kuwait Airways to Dhaka ranges from $1,200 to $1,400 (Tk 86,000). This is equivalent to $650 one way (actual o/w fares are in excess of $750). Therefore, the gross-earning for the airline operator per o/w flight with 231 passengers is $150,150. Interestingly, Biman claims they made a loss of Tk 75 Lakh ($107,142) per New York – Dhaka flight using a full load of 274 customers in their ancient DC 10-30s. This implies the cost per o/w seat to Biman on this flight was $940 or 44% higher than other carriers – or they had 114 seats that were not filled or paid for.

A Boeing 777 has a range anywhere between 5,200 and 8,000 nautical miles (nm) with a capacity to carry 300 to 400 passengers. Such an aircraft is more than adequate to cover the 7,000nm over between New York and Dhaka with passenger and baggage but without any revenue cargo. All factors considered, such a non-stop flight would take about 16 hours. Recently, Biman wet-leased (aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance) a Boeing 747 at $5,300 per flying hour. The current wet-lease cost of a Boeing 777 ranges between $10,000 and $14,000 per hour. Taking a mid-range value of $12,000 per hour, the lease cost to Biman is $192,000 per one way flight. The fuel consumption of the aircraft is 0.01665 gallons per passenger mile; the price of jet fuel is currently $1.47 (average price over last several years has been $1 with a sudden spike up to $4 in Q1 of 2008; it is now sharply declining). Let’s assume a configuration and fill factor are such that there are 365 passengers in a three class configuration: 335 in economy, 20 in business and 10 in first class and the premium fares are weighted by 1:1.5:2 making the total number of economy seats – for cost purposes – 385. The total operating cost adding $43,000 for fuel, now comes to $235,000 per flight or $610 per seat. If Biman charges the same as what the foreign carriers are charging, they would make a profit of $40 per seat or $15,400 (Tk 10.8 Lakh) per flight instead of a loss Tk 75 Lakh!

As long distance traveler, I'll readily opt for a non-stop flight that lasts less than 16 hours to nearly 24 hours it takes going via Abu Dhabi, Dubai or Kuwait. The opportunity cost of those extra wasted hours in changing planes, getting exhausted waiting in transit lounges (not to mention getting abused by natives of the Gulf countries) factoring in the per capita income of the USA ($38,000) and Canada ($30,000) - is equivalent to two whole productive days or $200. Given this, Biman would be well within their rights to claim a share of that money and charge between $1,400 and $1,500 per seat and should easily make a profit of 15%-23% or $90-$140 per non-premium class seat. It appears there’s a clear business case for operating such a flight and all the complaints from Biman about political pressure from Bangladeshi expatriates in north America seem utterly ridiculous. Furthermore, it is obvious that having such a direct flight between Dhaka and New York will benefit trade between the regions many times.

If one includes a few of hours of non-flying time for the leased aircraft, the total time per o/w flight comes to 18 hours. As 231 people travel everyday or 1,617 per week, 4+ flights/week with 365 paying passengers would consume 100% of the market share. But if only 2 flights a week are operated (365 x 2)/1,617 to capture 45% of the captive market share, Biman would still retain their profit margin on this route. This will leave the aircraft unused 45% of the time over that period and the excess capacity thus created can easily be diverted to operate flights to Dubai, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore – routes that are clearly over-subscribed by the several million strong expatriate labor force in those regions and fall in the 6 hour (flying plus non-flying time) per leg bracket. This is equivalent to one daily return flight each of these busy regional destinations – currently being monopolized by foreign carriers who from my recent personal experience have a nasty habit of mistreating Bangladeshi passengers.
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User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
The article states that Biman has dropped Paris, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Bangkok, and Delhi from its network recently. It seems like the airline has SERIOUS issues if it can't make Delhi or Bangkok work

It's because they have very few aircarfts that are actually flying ...

[Edited 2009-08-28 18:28:17]

User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12069 times:

Quoting Ojas (Reply 14):
Well middle eastern carriers do well out of DAC because when compared to the USA the expat Bangladeshi population in the Gulf is huge.

Didn't seem that way the last time flew IAD-LHR-DXB-DAC (only last month). This was on EK (LHR-DXB-DAC-DXB-LHR). A good number of folks from DAC were headed to the east coast ..
only a handful to Europe and the rest were the expat workers heading to the Middle East. This judgement is based on a visual after arrving in DXB .. atleast half of EKs 777 load headed straight for the transfer gates instead of going through passport control ...

I had tried for several weeks to fly on EK's DXB-JFK connection but it was fully booked .. hence the detour through LHR on both legs.

On my way into DAC, the story was similar. The departure gate at DXB (heading to DAC) had atleast half the people who had been connecting from places like JFK, ATL, IAD, Toronto etc.,

Currently 70%+ of international traffic in and out of Dhaka is served by foreign carriers ... Biman only needs to get its act together to get some of that back since 90%+ of these folks are of Bangladeshi origin .. price and schedule maintenance being similar .. they would rather fly Biman anyday given how badly they treated on foreign carriers - particularly the Middle Eastern ones.

[Edited 2009-08-28 18:29:46]

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11934 times:



Quoting Biman (Reply 17):
Didn't seem that way the last time flew IAD-LHR-DXB-DAC (only last month). This was on EK (LHR-DXB-DAC-DXB-LHR). A good number of folks from DAC were headed to the east coast ..
only a handful to Europe and the rest were the expat workers heading to the Middle East. This judgement is based on a visual after arrving in DXB .. atleast half of EKs 777 load headed straight for the transfer gates instead of going through passport control ...

That is because you traveled during the peak season and I have nowhere implied that there is no traffic. And I believe one visual judgement of a flight is not a good generalisation for 365 days of the year.

All I'm saying is passengers are there, but the VFR passengers which comprise most of the US - Bangladesh traffic is not good enough for a route to make sense especially when you are discounting cargo and premium passengers.

I'm sure the BA flights to DAC were carrying good number of passengers but due to dipping yields they just had to stop those flights.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11890 times:

Bring back the DC-10!

User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

Quoting Ojas (Reply 18):
That is because you traveled during the peak season and I have nowhere implied that there is no traffic. And I believe one visual judgement of a flight is not a good generalisation for 365 days of the year.

All I'm saying is passengers are there, but the VFR passengers which comprise most of the US - Bangladesh traffic is not good enough for a route to make sense especially when you are discounting cargo and premium passengers.

I'm sure the BA flights to DAC were carrying good number of passengers but due to dipping yields they just had to stop those flights.

There is no such thing as peak season when it comes to Bangladesh for the simple reason that the bulk of the travellers are neither students nor traditional tourists. They are people who are either self employed or work in an industry that can afford to let people go on vacation during the summer/winter breaks; in anycase, this portion of the pax would counter balance the so-called peak season customer load. The reason the fares to Bangladesh fluctuate seasanally is because people have to travel on routes/carriers that are major/rely on tourist destinations: europe and the tropics east thereof.

What percentage of the revenue comes from cargo? Major exports from Bangladesh include fisheries and ready made garments - the latter being mostly sent to europe rather than the US. US does not export much to Bangladesh that justifies air freight.

The reason BA stopped DAC is because of their own high running costs not because there was ever a lull in traffic. The demand was quickly fulfilled by the Middle East carriers who can pay their workers peanuts compared to BA - which has many workers' benefits to think about. I happened to stay at the airport hotel in DXB (at $200 a night) - the foreign workers there lamented having to work 12 hours a day and be allowed to claim for only 10 hours with holidays once every two years. Try selling that abusive package to someone based in the UK ...

[Edited 2009-08-28 20:53:37]

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2975 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11820 times:



Quoting Biman (Reply 20):
The reason BA stopped DAC is because of their own high running costs not because their was ever a lull in traffic.

Did I ever above say there is a lull in traffic/ low numbers flying/ no one flying?

All I'm saying is flights to Bangladesh are Low yielding. Low yielding means passengers travel the route but the airline is unable to recover the costs as majority tickets are discounted.

Gulf carriers manage to offer Bangladesh flights to all over the world and filling up 600 seats a day for EK easy as they carry passenger to Europe/USA/ Gulf/ and even Africa.

And once again I repeat BG can make a one stop foray to JFK successful, the non stop in any case will be a disaster no matter which airline starts it.



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User currently offlineBiman From Bangladesh, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11810 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 21):
And once again I repeat BG can make a one stop foray to JFK successful, the non stop in any case will be a disaster no matter which airline starts it.

I guess time will tell. Success ultimately depends on Biman's ability to market itself properly and offer a competitive deal in terms of travel time, cost, convenience - but I hear what you are saying. Thanks for chiming in!


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11763 times:

First lets have BG sign a deal to lease in a few B 777s then we can seriously think of JFK or EWR restarting. One step at a time please lol  Wink

In all seriousness, the best possible route for BG to fly from DAC to NYC is via MAN as unlike the EU, the UK doesnt need Bangladeshis to carry transit visas and plus no one flies from the Northern UK/Midlands region nonstop to DAC which BG will do which will allow them to possibly higher yielding passengers due to the monopoly position that they would in this key market segment.

Ideal scenario would be BG flying a 3 weekly B 772ER DAC-MAN-JFK or EWR. If they have problems getting slots at JFK, then they should go to EWR without creating a fuss. Hopefully, BG will work out a schedule that would allow them to carry 6th freedom pax from NYC and MAN via DAC to KTM/BKK/KUL/HKG/SIN to gain some additional form of revenue.

This airline like PIA and AI has enormous potential, but lacks an effective visionary management who are still stuck in the 1980s O&D business model philosophy.


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11762 times:

ULH flights must be extremely high yielding to support service. JFK-DAC does not and will not ever support the yield levels necessary to have a direct 16 hour flight.

If BG tries it they will be throwing lots of money away. I hope saner heads prevail. 1 stop via EU is best.



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25 Abrelosojos : = BA stopped DAC because the flight would have an average year-round load factor of 85% + in Y and 10-15% in the premium cabins. CCU was dropped for
26 LAXintl : You really think 90% of people travel back home once every two years? If true, that is great, but not my experience with immigrant communities, espec
27 Post contains links and images GothamSpotter : Interesting breakdown of Biman's JFK announcement...and their recent problems. Biman Bangladesh Set to Resume Dhaka-New York Service in October, But Q
28 Afterburner : I think you forgot to put catering cost and various fees and taxes to the equation.
29 Post contains images Biman : Excellent points. I totally agree that BG should not fuss with JFK vs EWR. While your points about 6th freedom are very well made, I don't think BG c
30 Ojas : The point he is trying to make is that, with a poor load in the premium classes, BA could not keep these services running.
31 Abrelosojos : = Huh? LH Cargo? What? I was comparing BA's dropping of DAC and CCU at the same time because both had strong load factors (LF's), but VERY little pre
32 Post contains links Afterburner : Read this thread: Cost Of Serving A F.C. Meal On 11 Hr Flt. (by 747hogg Oct 5 2006 in Civil Aviation) and we can make a rough assumption for the cost
33 LAXintl : Lets use your $1,200-$1,400 ticket assumption. Will average that to $1,300 fare for the consumer. Lets take out $200-300 in taxes and fees. So lets s
34 BOACVC10 : I have some real life experience in setting prices for (technology service) products in Bangladesh, and also have about a decade of experience in kee
35 Ojas : Other then Saudi Arabia that issue is no where. No one is denying that only thing instead of a non stop a one stop option like DAC-UK-NYC is much bet
36 Biman : Toronto to Dhaka on EK - in bound waiting time in excess of 9 hours in DXB; folks either have to stay in the airport hotel ($200+ per night) or hang
37 Biman : Where did national pride come into any of this? Bangladesh passport holders get mistreated on Middle Eastern airliners. This is a fact. Bangladesh pa
38 Biman : I have skimmed through the thread which is mostly about First Class meals. Some say its $80 yet others put it at $400+. Not sure how reliable this is
39 Biman : $300 in taxes and fees per passenger? That is $109,500 for a load of 365 passengers .. is this really true? Does anyone have the data for JFK or EWR?
40 Biman : Sure .. when Dow Jones was close to 12,000+, no one thought it would come down to 6,000 in the next 6 months ... I think it's better to take a bigger
41 LAXintl : Yes fees and taxes can be huge. For fun I made a dummy booking on Expedia got following for NYC-DAC. Jet Airways was the cheapest roundtrip. Almost 5
42 Ojas : But aren't we talking about JFK and not YYZ? And as you claim Bangladeshis have a tough time getting visa to every country, you think it would be eas
43 Biman : This is unrealistic. Here's what my thoughts were: "As a long distance traveler, I'll readily opt for a non-stop flight that lasts less than 16 hours
44 AlexEU : Why not use their DC-10?
45 Afterburner : Airport tax is charged per passenger. An airport tax is actually a fee that a passenger has to pay for the services of the airport. Some airports col
46 LAXintl : More impotantly besides the taxes directly paid by the client in their tickets, the airline has to pay a host of fees itself. From landing and parking
47 Brons2 : Because passengers pay up to $12,000 a seat to fly in the premium classes on SQ's ULH service and they openly admit that even they don't always make
48 757ops : BG used to operate the JFK via LHR a while back on the D10
49 BestWestern : Below are the fares from NYC to DAC excluding taxes for random dates in Feb 2010 NYC New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA DAC Dhaka Zia Int'l BD [VGZR] MON
50 AlexEU : Air India looks like the cheapest airline in region. Where did you found the data on fares? Any website for those?
51 Biman : NAFTA residents (US, Canada and Mexico) do not need visas for short term visits. I paid a base fare of more than that on EK. Overnight stays (per my
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