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Additional DL/NW Fall Network Changes  
User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

DL/NW will be making the following network changes in the fall schedule:

ATL-AMS changes to a DL 767 on Oct 25
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1
JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.
JFK-LYS will be suspended on Nov 3
JFK-MAN will be suspended on Jan 7 - MAN will continue to be served from ATL.

There may be others, but that's all I know of for now.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter, JFK-DKR-ABV.


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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6782 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter

...and PIT-CDG, JFK-MAN, is that it?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4676 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6753 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter

My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6637 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1

ATL-FCO goes back to DL metal on the 9/1, right?



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User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6562 times:

Correct. Goes to a 767-400 in Sept. and later changes to a 767-300ER for the winter.

I believe that change had already been announced, not sure. Also, ATL-LGW is changing back to a 767-300 for the fall and winter.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6463 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
JFK-LYS will be suspended on Nov 3

Was this flight just seasonal, or has it been performing badly?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6358 times:



Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):

...and PIT-CDG, JFK-MAN, is that it?

Forgot about PIT-CDG and PHL-CDG.

JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

Also, looks like a bunch of frequency reductions all around, some routes as little as 4x a week.

ATL-MAD, JFK-DUB, ATL-DUS, ATL-SAP, ATL-GYE, JFK-GEO and others.

ATL-MAO will not operate at all during the fall.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10432 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

The old dartboard in Network Planning must be almost worn out.  Wink


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6162 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.

Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6477 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6157 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.

That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6146 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10):
That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.

Thats true I forgot about that. Although up to a certain point in the past year DL operated this flight on their own metal too.



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User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6074 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued

Apart from PIA operating one way, doesnt this mean there is longer any MAN-JFK service? And from CO/DL/BA/PIA both ways serving MAN-NYC to just CO and PIA one way? How times change



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User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

NWA never restarted seasonal BDL <=> AMS?

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5443 times:



Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):

This is your own rumor I assume?



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1846 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5378 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 6):
Was this flight just seasonal, or has it been performing badly?

I don't think it was intended to be seasonal, so not a good sign. If they definitely axe this flight, it will be the 2nd failure of this route. Very strange that it could even not sustain a daily 757 or a 4- to 5-times weekly.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Not sure if it's been posted on a.net, but PDX-AMS is also going to 4x weekly beginning in September.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):
Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!

Why would that be cool? KLM has much better service than DL.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5204 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.

FWIW, JFK-AMS has bounced back and forth between KL and NW metal several times in the past. Same story with EWR. Sometimes a DC10 on NW, sometimes a 767 with KL. Lately it's been a NW A330, and (IIRC) is now a DL 767.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):
Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!

DFW-AMS has been circling 'round the rumor mill for a few years now...



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6537 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4984 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1

Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7616 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4860 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
Why would that be cool? KLM has much better service than DL.

I agree. I would MUCH rather have KLM flying that route as opposed to DL.



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2033 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4472 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that

It also explains the decision to install WiFi on these birds.


User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3857 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).

Looking at nwa.com I can see that DTW-FRA and one of the three DTW-AMS will go to an A330-200 in November. So that would help to explain the ATL-FRA flight. I have heard that DTW-FRA has suffered from the auto industry declines. Remember that only 2 summers ago a 2nd daily 757 was added to DTW-FRA, but during this spring it was operating only 5x or 6x A333. So now it would seem that the decline even warrants the downgauge to an A332 from the A333.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3619 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

There are suggestions that it's back from May/June?


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3409 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 23):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

There are suggestions that it's back from May/June?

Delta has been using the word "suspended" regarding these flights.


25 Sxf24 : It is currently bookable for Summer 2010.
26 BartBus : I hope that DL drops all their flights to AMS and let KLM operate them (wont happen). I mean if I see that a flight is operated by DL I rather fly via
27 NorthwestEWR : Correct, EWR-AMS was a NW D10 for the longest time until it was switched to a KL 763, then KL 332 and has seen the KL M11, 772, NW 333 and 752 over t
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