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Additional DL/NW Fall Network Changes  
User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7384 times:

DL/NW will be making the following network changes in the fall schedule:

ATL-AMS changes to a DL 767 on Oct 25
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1
JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.
JFK-LYS will be suspended on Nov 3
JFK-MAN will be suspended on Jan 7 - MAN will continue to be served from ATL.

There may be others, but that's all I know of for now.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter, JFK-DKR-ABV.


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User currently offlinePgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6695 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter

...and PIT-CDG, JFK-MAN, is that it?


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6666 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter

My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6550 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1

ATL-FCO goes back to DL metal on the 9/1, right?



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User currently offlineMCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6475 times:

Correct. Goes to a 767-400 in Sept. and later changes to a 767-300ER for the winter.

I believe that change had already been announced, not sure. Also, ATL-LGW is changing back to a 767-300 for the fall and winter.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6376 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
JFK-LYS will be suspended on Nov 3

Was this flight just seasonal, or has it been performing badly?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32183 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6271 times:



Quoting Pgh234 (Reply 2):

...and PIT-CDG, JFK-MAN, is that it?

Forgot about PIT-CDG and PHL-CDG.

JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

Also, looks like a bunch of frequency reductions all around, some routes as little as 4x a week.

ATL-MAD, JFK-DUB, ATL-DUS, ATL-SAP, ATL-GYE, JFK-GEO and others.

ATL-MAO will not operate at all during the fall.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9969 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6248 times:

The old dartboard in Network Planning must be almost worn out.  Wink


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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6075 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.

Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6070 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.

That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6059 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10):
That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.

Thats true I forgot about that. Although up to a certain point in the past year DL operated this flight on their own metal too.



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User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4915 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5987 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued

Apart from PIA operating one way, doesnt this mean there is longer any MAN-JFK service? And from CO/DL/BA/PIA both ways serving MAN-NYC to just CO and PIA one way? How times change



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User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

NWA never restarted seasonal BDL <=> AMS?

User currently onlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1664 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5356 times:



Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):

This is your own rumor I assume?



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5291 times:



Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 6):
Was this flight just seasonal, or has it been performing badly?

I don't think it was intended to be seasonal, so not a good sign. If they definitely axe this flight, it will be the 2nd failure of this route. Very strange that it could even not sustain a daily 757 or a 4- to 5-times weekly.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Not sure if it's been posted on a.net, but PDX-AMS is also going to 4x weekly beginning in September.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):
Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!

Why would that be cool? KLM has much better service than DL.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5117 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9):
Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.

FWIW, JFK-AMS has bounced back and forth between KL and NW metal several times in the past. Same story with EWR. Sometimes a DC10 on NW, sometimes a 767 with KL. Lately it's been a NW A330, and (IIRC) is now a DL 767.

Quoting N839MH (Reply 12):
Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!

DFW-AMS has been circling 'round the rumor mill for a few years now...



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4897 times:



Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter):
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1

Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7322 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4773 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 17):
Why would that be cool? KLM has much better service than DL.

I agree. I would MUCH rather have KLM flying that route as opposed to DL.



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2015 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that

It also explains the decision to install WiFi on these birds.


User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3770 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19):
Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).

Looking at nwa.com I can see that DTW-FRA and one of the three DTW-AMS will go to an A330-200 in November. So that would help to explain the ATL-FRA flight. I have heard that DTW-FRA has suffered from the auto industry declines. Remember that only 2 summers ago a 2nd daily 757 was added to DTW-FRA, but during this spring it was operating only 5x or 6x A333. So now it would seem that the decline even warrants the downgauge to an A332 from the A333.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

There are suggestions that it's back from May/June?


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1167 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3322 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 23):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued.

There are suggestions that it's back from May/June?

Delta has been using the word "suspended" regarding these flights.


25 Sxf24 : It is currently bookable for Summer 2010.
26 BartBus : I hope that DL drops all their flights to AMS and let KLM operate them (wont happen). I mean if I see that a flight is operated by DL I rather fly via
27 NorthwestEWR : Correct, EWR-AMS was a NW D10 for the longest time until it was switched to a KL 763, then KL 332 and has seen the KL M11, 772, NW 333 and 752 over t
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