MCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 6667 times:
DL/NW will be making the following network changes in the fall schedule:
ATL-AMS changes to a DL 767 on Oct 25
ATL-FRA will operate with a NW A330-200 on Nov 1
JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.
JFK-LYS will be suspended on Nov 3
JFK-MAN will be suspended on Jan 7 - MAN will continue to be served from ATL.
There may be others, but that's all I know of for now.
Pgh234 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 790 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5978 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1): So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5949 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1): So this pretty much means Delta has only one trans-Atlantic 757 route left for the winter
My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that
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Nwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5833 times:
MCOAviationFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5758 times:
Correct. Goes to a 767-400 in Sept. and later changes to a 767-300ER for the winter.
I believe that change had already been announced, not sure. Also, ATL-LGW is changing back to a 767-300 for the fall and winter.
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1500 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5659 times:
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9201 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5531 times:
The old dartboard in Network Planning must be almost worn out.
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Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5358 times:
Quoting MCOAviationFan (Thread starter): JFK-AMS will be suspended on Nov 9 - KLM will operate their flights in this market.
Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.
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Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5983 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5353 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9): You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.
That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6178 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5342 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10): That isn't what they do with JFK-CDG where all the service is on AF.
Thats true I forgot about that. Although up to a certain point in the past year DL operated this flight on their own metal too.
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N839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 362 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5287 times:
Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5270 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7): JFK-MAN is being discontinued
Apart from PIA operating one way, doesnt this mean there is longer any MAN-JFK service? And from CO/DL/BA/PIA both ways serving MAN-NYC to just CO and PIA one way? How times change
AmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5168 times:
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4639 times:
Goldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1673 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4574 times:
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 6): Was this flight just seasonal, or has it been performing badly?
I don't think it was intended to be seasonal, so not a good sign. If they definitely axe this flight, it will be the 2nd failure of this route. Very strange that it could even not sustain a daily 757 or a 4- to 5-times weekly.
RwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3017 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
Not sure if it's been posted on a.net, but PDX-AMS is also going to 4x weekly beginning in September.
Quoting N839MH (Reply 12): Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!
Why would that be cool? KLM has much better service than DL.
Nwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4400 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 9): Thats interesting because I checked EWR-AMS on DL past NOV 9 and the flights will be operated by a DL 763ER and not KLM. You would figure DL would keep their JFK hub flights on their own metal and send KLM over to the non-hub, EWR.
FWIW, JFK-AMS has bounced back and forth between KL and NW metal several times in the past. Same story with EWR. Sometimes a DC10 on NW, sometimes a 767 with KL. Lately it's been a NW A330, and (IIRC) is now a DL 767.
Quoting N839MH (Reply 12): Rumor in DFW is that sometime next year Delta will replace KLM here in DFW to AMS with a B767-400. This would be really cool if true!
DFW-AMS has been circling 'round the rumor mill for a few years now...
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1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5774 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).
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Syncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3668 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3): My first thought when i saw the new domestic Biz Elite flying was that it would be done with the transatlantic 757s so these changes pretty much confirm that
It also explains the decision to install WiFi on these birds.
PHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 19): Seems a bit odd, considering the route is currently operated by a 764ER. Perhaps it is due to cargo, and/or maybe premium J traffic is down (the 764ER has 42 J seats while the A332 has 32).
Looking at nwa.com I can see that DTW-FRA and one of the three DTW-AMS will go to an A330-200 in November. So that would help to explain the ATL-FRA flight. I have heard that DTW-FRA has suffered from the auto industry declines. Remember that only 2 summers ago a 2nd daily 757 was added to DTW-FRA, but during this spring it was operating only 5x or 6x A333. So now it would seem that the decline even warrants the downgauge to an A332 from the A333.
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1096 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2605 times:
Quoting David_itl (Reply 23):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
JFK-MAN is being discontinued.
There are suggestions that it's back from May/June?
Delta has been using the word "suspended" regarding these flights.
25 Sxf24: It is currently bookable for Summer 2010.
26 BartBus: I hope that DL drops all their flights to AMS and let KLM operate them (wont happen). I mean if I see that a flight is operated by DL I rather fly via
27 NorthwestEWR: Correct, EWR-AMS was a NW D10 for the longest time until it was switched to a KL 763, then KL 332 and has seen the KL M11, 772, NW 333 and 752 over t
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