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Olympic Airlines Ends JFK Service.  
User currently offlineJetBlue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1443 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17371 times:

I hope this hasn't been mentioned before, if so I apologize. I just saw on Wikipedia that Olympic will end JFK service on September 30th. My question is why? Their is a very large Greek population in New York City..... is DL a big competitor?? From what I know DL is the only airline flying the JFK-ATH-JFK route.


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17323 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
DL is the only airline flying the JFK-ATH-JFK route.

Yes, but CO flies EWR-ATH. Perhaps its time for AA to consider a JFK-ATH service, or better yet, ORD-ATH!



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User currently onlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17314 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
Perhaps its time for AA to consider a JFK-ATH service, or better yet, ORD-ATH!

I'd rather see A3 flying ATH-JFK then have to suffer with crappy AA service. They just need some A330s  Wink



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 17318 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I hope this hasn't been mentioned before, if so I apologize.

Its been mentioned before :

Olympic Air New Logo New A/C New Uniforms :

Olympic Air New Logo New A/C New Uniforms (by OA260 Jun 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
My question is why?

This is because the four OA A340s are owned by the Greek government, and MIG doesn't want them. There maybe alot of Greeks in NY but they all tend to visit Greece during the Summer months. October 1st is the "off season" to visit Greece.

Its a shame because it means an end to a wonderful era of OA service that stretches back to the 60's. It also most likely means and end to SX-DFC.

It is rumored, and I hope this is true that when MIG gets their thoughts together that they will bring back long haul service in a few years..

Here's a bit of history of OA JFK service for you :

1966-1973

OA flew in the Boeing 707-300s as well as the Boeing 720B from ATH-JFK

1973-1999

OA flew in the Boeing 747-284B's (SX-OAA & OAB) as well as the -212B models (AC-AD-AE) on their ATH-JFK routes.

1999-2009

OA flew their Airbus A340-313X model from ATH-JFK



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1553 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17169 times:

I guess that's too bad. But from what I understand, much of the Greek-American traffic goes to DL or connecting flights now.


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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16768 times:



Quoting JetBlue777 (Thread starter):
I just saw on Wikipedia that Olympic will end JFK service on September 30th. My question is why?

That's because Olympic Airlines stopps it's operation...


User currently offlineAA2MM From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16569 times:

I am sorry to post this : the one time I flew OA from JFK-ATH...it was a protection flight from AA. I was going to fly AA-JKF-LHR connecting to BA.
AA put us up in a day room, and protected us on the same evening on OA.
I was so excited and tickled pink.
And the flight sure was memorable : huge original meal tray for the 742s, with a thin slice of salmon on a huge, huge serving platter. And the FAs, they yacked between them in Greek, and rolled their eyes I guess when some pax asked for something !!! And they were smoking like a chimney in the galleys !!! They were nowhere to be found between meal services.
It was about ( I am not sure, from memory ) 10 years ago. And the 742 looked pretty worned out and tattered.
I really hope that their inflight service has improved since then.
Really hate to see the flag carrier of a wonderful country to give foreign visitors the very bad first impressions on the way there. IMHO.
Cheers.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16552 times:



Quoting AA2MM (Reply 6):
And the FAs, they yacked between them in Greek, and rolled their eyes I guess when some pax asked for something !!! And they were smoking like a chimney in the galleys !!! They were nowhere to be found between meal services.

Arr the good old days  Wink Since you mention smoking you are talking about a long long time ago and things were much better over the last few years in terms of service.



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User currently offlineTakeOff From United States of America, joined May 2004, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16336 times:



Quoting AA2MM (Reply 6):
I am sorry to post this : the one time I flew OA from JFK-ATH...it was a protection flight from AA. I was going to fly AA-JKF-LHR connecting to BA.
AA put us up in a day room, and protected us on the same evening on OA.

Apologies for my ignorance, but what's a "protection flight" and a "day room"? Thanks in advance.

TakeOff


User currently offlineLxmd11 From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16023 times:

I once flew the ATH-JFK route on OA. Was in buisness and had about the nicest crew in my life (which isnt exactly a long time  Smile).

It really is too bad they're ending it. OA A340's were always my favorite sight at terminal 1.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15880 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
CO flies EWR-ATH.

It was a seasonal route this year, and not sure if it will return next year. It was definitely a nice trip on CO.

As mentioned in the other thread, the new OA will be codesharing with DL on JFK-ATH route.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15879 times:

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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14949 times:

It's sad to see all these European carriers pull out from JFK. Just a few months back we wtinessed OK stop serving it from PRG and MA from BUD! And now OA, from ATH.

//Alex



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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14897 times:

CZECH stopped serving JFK? What is going on here?! Im guessing they cant stand up to the big guys at JFK...Delta Airlines that is  Sad...and American. (jetBlue doesnt do Europe and beyond at the moment).


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User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14870 times:



Quoting N623JB (Reply 13):
CZECH stopped serving JFK?

Sorry my mistake, not yet. But the they will when the winter schedule starts!

//Alex



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14851 times:



Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
I'd rather see A3 flying ATH-JFK

Wouldn't A3 serve EWR before JFK because aren't CO and A3 going to have some kind of codeshare agreement??


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14849 times:
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Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 4):
I guess that's too bad. But from what I understand, much of the Greek-American traffic goes to DL or connecting flights now

And it's a huge traffic for sure. Greeks are the largest community by far in Astoria. Too bad, i'll be visiting Greece next year and DL probably will be charging a premium on the non-stop.



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User currently offlineN623JB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14798 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 14):
Sorry my mistake, not yet. But the they will when the winter schedule starts!

Thats fine with me..at least it gives more time to see the planes before they stop going to JFK. I really think its competition thats having an effect on the other airlines  ..sad.
But thank you anyway

[Edited 2009-08-29 09:34:08]


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14777 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 4):
I guess that's too bad. But from what I understand, much of the Greek-American traffic goes to DL or connecting flights now

And it's a huge traffic for sure. Greeks are the largest community by far in Astoria. Too bad, i'll be visiting Greece next year and DL probably will be charging a premium on the non-stop.

I often thought (years ago) that DL should have a nonstop BOS-ATH flight as there are many, many Greek-Americans living in New England.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2226 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14670 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 18):
I often thought (years ago) that DL should have a nonstop BOS-ATH flight as there are many, many Greek-Americans living in New England.

I believe at one point OA flew the BOS-ATH route...



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14594 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 19):
I believe at one point OA flew the BOS-ATH route...

Correct. I believe that they dropped it sometime in the late 90's. That's when DL should have stepped in.......I believe that's when DL was thinking of making BOS another European gateway.



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14530 times:

When communism fell in Albania in the early 90's my grandpa flew the US to visit part of his family that he had never met before. He flew OA TIA-ATH-JFK. On his return to Albania, we went to the airport to pick him up. I was a little kid at the time and I was so excited that I made a drawing for him with a OA plane in the background. I don't think I knew what the OA livery looked like in detail, but I knew that it had the Olympic rings on the tail. I am sure I didn't get the number of the rings right, and I probably even wrote the name as Olimpik, but looking back it's kind of funny. And that was my first memory of the OA ATH-JFK flight.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14520 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 20):
Correct. I believe that they dropped it sometime in the late 90's

Shame the BOS-MAN-ATH with A300-600R never worked out.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 14433 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 19):
I believe at one point OA flew the BOS-ATH route...

And, at some point in the 1970s, they flew into EWR.... You can imagine my surprise at seeing an OA aircraft at EWR! (Probably was a charter)


User currently offlineMixalakhs From Cyprus, joined Jan 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14029 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
CO flies EWR-ATH.

It was a seasonal route this year, and not sure if it will return next year. It was definitely a nice trip on CO.

I doubt it as Continental started flights to ATH on June 7th 2007 using B762.
In 2008 Continental switch to B764 as the capacity was very high and it was considering for 2 daily flights with B764 and now that Olympic pull out from JFK I doubt that Continental will not return next year.
All flights were and are overbooked.
The same with US Airways when the first year was under a trial and US Airways said if the capacity was over 72% they will keep the route. The capacity was well over 90%


25 JAGflyer : CSA pulled out of YYZ and then returned with their new livery on the A310. I have heard rumours of OA discontinuing their ATH-YUL-YYZ service but I si
26 OA260 : Its gone !!
27 Vinniewinnie : On Airliners there is always talk about VFR traffic and how ties with the original homeland bring quite a bit of traffic. Well granted ties are always
28 JAGflyer : I saw their A340 on Thursday and I think it came in today as well. I'm not liking the idea of airlines getting rid of all their long haul routes. Fir
29 OA260 : Totally agree. Its also dependant on how far you are away. When I lived in LA one reason that I decided not to stay was I would be too far from Greec
30 David_itl : Pity they didn't realise they couldn't add the service due to FAA issues - took a long time for 5th freedom rights to be obtained from the UK governm
31 Post contains links Viscount724 : AC is taking advantage of that by launching YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH nonstop seasonal 763 service from June 3 to October 18 next year. It was just announc
32 OA260 : Indeed. I also expect SAA to look at ATH-JNB
33 EXCOASA1982 : CO is wide open until the end of the service...some nights topping 140 open seats...Who knows if it will come back.
34 LipeGIG : The problem is that, many Greeks preffer to connect instead of non-stops. But how big is the market BOS-ATH ?
35 Mixalakhs : I am surprise, I read everything I mentioned in the greek aviation magazine "Remove Before Flight" I also read that US Airways will switch the B762 t
36 Vinniewinnie : Toally off topic but U greek people love your country so much, nevertheless are forced to live/study/work abroad to make a decent living and have goo
37 Lufthansa : Well what about all the Australian greeks? Olympic pulled the plug on that one a long time ago... JFK will be just the same. Yes, sure this move has
38 RyanairGuru : Actually there is still very high demand between MEL (and other AU cities) and ATH, it just now has to change on route. I read on here last year that
39 AlexEU : Why can´t the new Olympic maintain A340s? I guess we´ll see more OA flights to LHR now that the A340 is gone. Air Canada could start flying to YYL o
40 JAGflyer : Air Canada may want to consider taking over OA's YYZ-YUL-ATH route. There is most likely not enough traffic between both cities to support seperate n
41 OA260 : Thats actually not quite true anymore. Maybe upto 5-10 years ago but students that study abroad now do so for the experience of being abroad and not
42 VinnieWinnie : Oh no Education is one of the best (though reserved for an elite), but as far as I'm told and I have seen, the whole country could be so much better
43 Dennys : if so what is the future of the OA A340s , ?
44 OA260 : The Greek government owns them.
45 Lufthansa : State transport and then some going to the Air Force as troop carriers?
46 OA412 : My family is exactly the same. They are all studying in Greece and have no plans to leave. As an aside, the game has changed in such a way that while
47 Viscount724 : Since it's a seasonal service only, I expect there will be enough traffic for separate flights. If YYZ flights were routed via YUL, AC would also be
48 JetBlue777 : True. DL is the "international boss" in JFK. Most Domestic flights would go with B6, but DL gets alot of European traffic from JFK, especially those
49 Panamair : Because of OA's pullout and subsequent codeshare with DL, DL will run JFK-ATH as a daily service this winter, something they have never done before; f
50 Lewis : More greeks are staying in their home country but the decent jobs that pay well and give you a good quality of life are not that many.(remember, Athe
51 OA260 : There are more opportunities in Athens at the moment than Dublin thats for sure. Come here and join the que for Social Welfare payments !! I have bee
52 L410Turbolet : Will stop in less than two months. The last flight to JFK will be on October 23rd.
53 MEA-707 : It has been mentioned but relative small airlines like Malev and CSA who are very dependent on VFR traffic can't make these routes work the way bigge
54 Skyhigh : Seeing as the new Olympic will be codesharing with Delta, is there a possibilty of it joining Skyteam sometime in the future? Sorry if this has alrea
55 RootsAir : Out of subject but still about OA. I remeber that when the airline had filed for bankruptcy back in 2005 or 2006, the airline was to become rebranded
56 AF022 : Never going to happen.
57 OA412 : It was never going to be rebranded "Athens". It was discussed at length here that it was to be rebranded Pantheon and that Athens was where the artic
58 RootsAir : Oh I see now. Someone sent me the link via IM and now I see where the confusion went. As for the bankruptcy ,wasn't OA going to go bust at some time
59 Skyduster : Well, this has been discussed on many other airliners.net threads. Expat populations are not always able to sustain direct flights between their resi
60 WorldTraveler : Precisely. The economic downturn is affecting many foreign airline worse than US carriers who have restructured previously and are now very competiti
61 CHRISBA777ER : I wonder if US might pick these A343Xs up?
62 Semsem : Actually when the flights first started they were routed via Paris. I flew in the early 70s on the route. My flights were practically empty. IN 1979 I
63 Post contains images OA260 : Yes certainly was. My first flight on SX-OAB was in the front section and they were all named in different zones. The 70's on the B707's must have be
64 Lewis : Haha, the guy in the photo has two chicks practically all over him but all he cares about is enjoying his cigarette. Typical greek!
65 Post contains links OA260 : LOL.. very true. That board I got I still have. I was on holidays in Syros in 1989 and I went to the Olympic office there. I asked for anything that
66 MEA-707 : They only stopped flying 707s in 1988, they flew many domestic flights in the final years so I can imagine they still had these boards lying around.
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