Hamad From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1158 posts, RR: 7 Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8290 times:
around two weeks since my return from Arizona to Dubai, i finally recovered from my jetlag. United first didn't have the mood lighting that a lot of carriers have. not seeing it as necessary, i came up with the following questions:
1- What is the basis of mood lighting, is it done in relation to the time in destination?
2- Doe it really help the reduction of jetlag?
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5499 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8279 times:
The mood lighting on my AC flight seemed to be done in relation to the time outside the airplane. When the sun was setting, the cabin was a dark red. When it was dark outside, the cabin was a dull purple. During sunrise, the cabin was a yellow-orange. Pretty cool!
Erhard From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8238 times:
Well I find it quite relaxing actually which does lead to a better sleep on the aircraft for me...not sure about it having an effect on jet lag...luckily for me I do not seem to suffer too much from it and recover pretty quickly with or without mood lighting.
GFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8014 times:
I wouldn't think it has much effect on jet lag but I find it helps create a relaxing atmosphere and it is MUCH nicer to be slowly awakened for breakfast by the light show than the inhumane switching on of the main cabin lights as in the past. The Gulf carriers have led the way with lighting schemes: EK, EY and QR for example.
Dazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7803 times:
Personally, I find the different coloured hue's of mood lighting distracting. It makes for an aesthetic cabin, but I don't find it useful whatsoever. For example, the following was taken at 5am local time an hour before we landed in Mombassa. It had been the same colour most of the night, a bit deeper purple at the beginning. The deep purple colour does nothing for me!
DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7776 times:
I flew LAX-SYD on the QF A380. I honestly don't think the lighting helped a bit with jetlag. Of course it probably didn't help that the flight was 15 hours of darkness so the moodlighting was simulation the sunrise that wasn't happening outside the window.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 81
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7580 times:
Quoting DTW757 (Reply 5): Of course it probably didn't help that the flight was 15 hours of darkness so the moodlighting was simulation the sunrise that wasn't happening outside the window.
I thought that was the point. The mood lighting is supposed to sync you up with the day/night cycle at your destination. Part of the reason you get screwed up on long flights is that your body is constantly trying to track the day-night cycle you're getting from outside the aircraft, which is changing *way* too fast to keep up.
It's basically a small way to help alleviate jet lag as you fly through time zones. This is the same reason as you get mood lighting in the cabin, it's basically to get your body to adjust your body clock to the timezone at your destination. So if it's dark at the destination, close the blinds to 'fool' your body into thinking it's nightime. As we fly through dawn and dusk this can also have an effect on our body clock, probably why you where asked to close your blind at this time.
I personally don't really think it helps but there is a strong school of thought that says it does.
Here is a useful tool to determine time-zones around the world.
Aerecosse From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7523 times:
Flown on both EK & EY with mood lighting & found it quite relaxing actually, particularly when you have the star night effect - very nice. As previously stated it it's a whole lot better than the being woken with the bright 'bling' of full cabin lights in the morning.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23851 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6695 times:
Quoting GFFgold (Reply 3): wouldn't think it has much effect on jet lag but I find it helps create a relaxing atmosphere and it is MUCH nicer to be slowly awakened for breakfast by the light show than the inhumane switching on of the main cabin lights as in the past.
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 9): Having the lights go from dark to full bright is quite jarring, whereas a gradual ramp up is quite pleasant.
I consider mood lightling a useless gimmick. You can avoid the sudden change from darkness to full lights on by just turning up the normal lighting gradually, which many carriers seem to do.
Globeex From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6586 times:
Well actually it is supposed to help and it actually is proven that it helps. Your sleep cycle is controled by a hormon called melatonin which is produced from selotonin in your brain. This process is heavily influenced by the light around you. Blue light does decrease the production of melatonin, whereas red light (like sundown) increases the rate of production.
The new energy saving lightbulbs are actually not really good for your sleepcycle and you health, as they produce mainly blue light. Therefore the whole moodlight is to control the production of melatonin and therefore influence your sleepingrythm. However, as almost everything concering sleeping, (dreams, amount of sleep you need etc.) differs A LOT between each individual.
As you may presently yourself be fully made aware of, my grammar sucks.
HOOB747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5946 times:
I don't know if it helps or not. I would suspect not. Especially for the 12 hour time differences. When I am on vacation in Shanghai or Singapore, the 12 hour (give or take) time difference is quite easy to adjust to when you are overseas. I have no problem falling asleep for 8 hours at noon East Coast Standard time when in Asia. The trick is coming back home after a week. Home is where jet-lag really does a number on me. I can't get back into a normal sleep rhythm easily. It takes about a week before I feel normal again. While on the trip, no problem. Coming home? Big problem (hee). I think the mood lighting is something that airlines use as a selling point, but without much practical value. IMHO.
Ksancoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5251 times:
In my opinion, is just a marketing tactic. But I will have to admit, I flew VA from SFO-SAN, it was in the evening, so I got to see some changes in the mood lighting. I do like it, it is cool, but I think its just a luxury feature when choosing an air carrier when you fly.
Gulfstream650 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5116 times:
Quoting Erhard (Reply 2): luckily for me I do not seem to suffer too much from it and recover pretty quickly with or without mood lighting.
Me too, I have always found that a good session out at the pub or on the town on the same night of your arrival usually resets the system to zero. AS LONG AS YOU REMAIN STANDING when you're out otherwise you may feel more sleepy if you're sat down with not as much blood flowing.
Start from there as if you woke up that same morning in the time-zone you arrive in you'll be in good shape.
I don't proclaim to be the best pilot in the world but I'm safe
Luv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4677 times:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 10): The lighting is cool - experienced it on Virgin America - however the LAX-JFK-LAX flight still kicked my butt.
Quoting JetBlue777 (Reply 12): From my experience it did, it was only a 6-hr flight with VX and when I arrived in LAX I felt excellent, not the normal experience with nausea and sickness.
The one on VX works great with one HUGE caveat: Your flight is on time! I think in normal circumstances, it does a great job gently adjusting your circadian into the destination time zone. However, if you have a 2 hour deal out of JFK, for example, and the cabin attendant doesn't do whatever she needs to do to the CIDS (see below), the "destination" light scheme arrives 2 hours early, and an hour later, it seems like all the blue AND purple lights are on full blast, which defeats the purpose.
to me going west or going to the USA from Dubai is not a problem. when i used to live in the USA and come back for a two weeks vacation, the first week is a "b**ch", unless i sleep the full day before i left to Dubai and not sleep at all on the airplane. after moving back here, coming back from that area of the world is always a massive effect on my body and now it takes me 10-13 days to adjust at least. I looked at several factors, when i used to come back, i always took a flight from phoenix after school is out and stop at my family in DC, which is a 3 hours time difference any way, following that by 5-7 days i take United stop over in FRA, before continuing to Dubai. I think that the stopover in DC and the long connection in Frankfurt helps a lot in reducing the effects of jet lag. however, since i moved back and United started their non stop, i have a feeling that the sudden jump from that area of the world back to dubai has changed the effect of jetlag
Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4489 times:
Never had effect on me, just looks more modern thats all, but geee yes I do hate those times especially on late night Asia flights where you take off, they shut all the lights out, then suddenly 2 hours later they flick them all on for dinner! so I gotta get my dinner fix then finally they turn it all off and I can sleep in peace for 10 more hours. Despite if I need to sleep the entire flight, I just cant resist the vittles so I never skip meals sleep eat sleep. but the TG experience on JFK-BKK and LAX-BKK can get a bit when they have a middle meal but still I get middle vittles once again. and the cabin darkens back.
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